Christianity and Islam - Building Bridges of Peace and Justice

BadgerPhil said:
He was saving his frequent flyer miles, so he could take the Mary's and his disciples on a worldwide tour. But unfortunately someone had the audacity to nail him to a cross. :whatever:

Mary and Disciples: "But...you promised...:("
Jesus: "Sorry guys, but I'm a little hung up right now. :o "
 
"...And Follow The Best Thereof"
Imam W. Deen Mohammed

(Imam W. Deen Mohammed gave the following address at the University of North Carolina A and T on Nov. 6, 2001. It is here given in excerpts.))

We praise G-d, the One and Only as it is said in our Holy Book, The Qur'an: "Your G-d and our
G-d is One and The Same." That is said to those we call in our Islamic language "The People of The Book." These are the Christians, Jews and other people called Sabiens in the Middle East.

People of The Book

I once thought "Sabien" was a religion gone from the earth, but there are still followers of that religion. The People of The Book is speaking to any with a genuine or legitimate religion. That is, they recognize G-d as the Supreme Power over all things, and they feel accountable to that G-d. They feel that their behavior will have to please that G-d, if they expect to have a good life and life hereafter or life eternally, as many Christians and Muslims and some others believe.

I want to acknowledge the support we have gotten from this area, from Imam Dr. Nuriddin. All of you are doing a very excellent job here in North Carolina, and we are certainly proud of your work.

I also just attended on the northwest side of Chicago one of the most impressive mosques in the Midwest area. The person over that mosque is a civil engineer, who designed the mosque and oversaw its construction and approved every detail of it. You would never know that man had that kind of spiritual. His whole life is for G-d and in obeying G-d.

I met him at my father's house with about 21 young Muslim men who had come to the United States from Islamic countries to get education from the fine universities here in our country. They wanted to meet with my father to find out why his religion was called Islam, when it was so different from what they knew to be Islam.

They came out of that meeting happy. My father knew how to talk to people, and they had faith that my father's intentions were good and that he was leading what my father called a "Baby Nation of Islam in America." That this nation would one day not be a baby, but be grown up. They were believing my father and hoping to see one day his following join the worldwide following of Muhammed the Prophet, prayers and peace be upon the Prophet. And that has happened.


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Interfaith Meeting

We had this interfaith meeting at the Villa Park Mosque in that suburb of Chicago, 111. It was arranged by Dr. Robert H. Schuller and my office. Dr. Schuller has the Hour of Power television ministry. Dr. Schuller spoke on this program that was intended to put into the air and to give to the press the facts backed up by our scriptures that terrorism is not accepted by Christianity and it is not accepted by Islam.

We joined each other - Dr. Schuller and Imam W. Deen Mohammed, along with a few other religious leaders were present. A few Rabbis were present too to make that statement.

Min. Farrakhan also was invited and made a statement. I have known him long before his powerful image as "Minister Farrakhan." I grew up as a young student minister at the same time Min. Farrakhan was growing up as a young student minister. When we became ministers, we were young associates and friends. I would visit his home as a friend, and he has visited my home as a friend.

So I think of him, firstly, as a person I have a personal acquaintance with - as a friend. When he finished his speech that night, I came up after Dr. Schuller and said: If you (Min. Farrakhan) keep talking like that, I will be your follower. That is how much I was impressed. Nothing he said caused any discomfort to me and was very good.

He said some things that perhaps I wouldn't say myself, warning the powers that be that we all are answerable to The G-d of Justice. Although I didn't have that kind of concern in my notes, I appreciated what he said. As a young Muslim man in Chicago often says: "It's all good, brother."

I understand that there are some persons in this area whom I feel very strong friendship with, one being Dr. Vincent Harding. If anyone can, please get to him my very warm ' brotherly greetings and my love. Also Dr. Naim Akbar, I'm told, is in the area. I have the same kind of awareness and friendship with him, too. So please give to Dr. Naim Akbar my greetings and let him know I did get his greetings also.


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The Peace is The Name of G-d

The religion of Islam, by its own language, is the religion of peace, and the Muslim is a person of peace. The Arabic name for Islam comes from the word that means to give peace, and the word Muslim comes from the same Arabic word. Our greetings that we Muslims give all the time come from the same word meaning peace - As-Salaam-Alaikum. And the Name of our G-d is also The Peace - As-Salaam is G-d's Name.

When we say "As-Salaam-Alaikum," you are not only saying peace be on you, you are also saying the Name of G-d. One of G-d's Names in Islam is As-Salaam, The Peace.

In Islam, we have to appreciate G-d's creation, the natural world that He made. We have to appreciate the fact that the natural world that He made feeds the human person He made. That natural world feeds us with beauty, with intelligence and with life. The natural world is more beautiful than ugly, more peaceful than disturbed, more supportive of intelligent life than it is not.


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G-d's Creation: "And It Is Good"

Islam begins with our recognition that The Creator of the heavens and earth made the world good. I'm a student of the Bible; I've read and studied the Bible from cover to cover, from Genesis to Revelation, more than once. And I appreciate seeing in the Bible where G-d says He did so much on the first day, where He was creating this world, and on the second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day, sixth day and seventh day on which He complet-ed it. After each day of work completed, G-d said: "And it was good."

G-d is saying that what He did was good. He complet-ed the world and it was good - even on the sixth day. According to scrip-ture, He created man on the sixth day and Satan came in and got into the business of man and brought on man's down-fall. But G-d does not say that the sixth day was bad in the Bible's Genesis. After the sixth day, He also said: "And it is good." All of G-d's Work is good.

Prophet Muhammed said: "Surely, G-d is good, and He does not accept any but good." That is to say that you can't give G-d a billion dollars from drug sales. He won't accept it. He rejects your money from illegal business, and He rejects hypocrisy and He rejects deceit. No mat-ter how much you do for religion or for G-d, if you offer G-d something bad, He rejects it. He only accepts good. He is as Muhammed the Prophet said.

Now, a suicide bomber is going to give G-d his life, but look at what he is doing. He is taking his own life, which is a major sin in our religion as it is for Christians. And he is also taking the lives of innocent men, women and children. Applying the same logic that Muhammed gave us and that scripture gave us, his life will not be accepted. He is giving his life in vain.

G- d also says in. our Holy Book: "There are those who work feverishly and diligently building a great thing in their name, to find in the hereafter before G-d - in the Judgment - that all of their work that they thought to be a con-tribution to G-d will be rejected, and they will find themselves in hell." We have to be aware of these things that are taught in our religion.


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The Universal Prayer

In the beginning of the Qur'an, in the first chap-ter of the Book, is a prayer - a universal prayer of all Muslims for all occasions and for the most formal occasions. Today, we said that prayer. It is called The Opening, Al-Fatihah. That prayer is a universal prayer that recognized the G-d of all people.

It says: "Praise be to G-d, the Lord of all the Worlds." If you understand "Lord," it is not meant in the political sense, like the Lords of London. "Lord" in Qur'an comes from the word that means "to take that that is helpless and needs help, until it can manage for itself." It is like the mother who takes the baby and accepts responsibility to care for that baby, until that baby is able to stand on its own feet and manage for itself in the world.

As the parent, especially the mother, takes care of her baby, G-d takes care of all the worlds. And we who think we are grown up should know that we are nothing but little babies in the Presence of G-d. He is taking care of all of us, even our presidents, our kings and others over the nations of the world. He is the Lord of all the Worlds.

The Opening Chapter, Al-Fatihah, says: "Guide us on the right path." It is the path of righteousness. Later on it says: "Not the way or the path of those who incur G-d's Wrath and not the way of those who go astray." This is our prayer and is a universal prayer. It has been accepted on the Senate floor of these United States and at many other similar occasions. This prayer has been accepted , from our chaplains, from our ' Imams and from myself.

Prophets of Judaism, Christianity Also Prophets of Islam
Islam cannot be seen as a religion separate from Christianity and Judaism. The Prophets of Judaism are also our Prophets. The Prophets of Christianity are also our Prophets.

Also the behavior demanded of us by our " religions is, firstly, in our Holy Book; secondly in the life example of our Prophet of Islam, Muhammed, prayers and peace be on him, and thirdly in the model life of Muslims whom we have known to be recorded in the history and tradition of Islam. We know that Muhammed the Prophet obligated us also to follow their examples.
It says: "Follow the Prophet, and also those who follow in the excel-lence prescribed by Islam." We are not only obligated to follow Muhammed the Prophet. We also have to follow those who follow in the excellence prescribed by Islam, those who follow Muhammed in that excel-lence.

G-d says in our scripture something that as a student studying this, it really touched me and held me for a long time - because of the experience I had of trying to find light in the dark, to find harmony and consistency of what I was given as a boy and as a young man as religion. G-d says: "And follow the best thereof." That is in the Qur'an and is exactly what G-d says.

Allah has revealed the whole Book to mankind through Muhammed the Prophet, and Allah says of His Book, to those who will follow it, "follow the best thereof." Is there something in the Book that can get me in trouble, G-d? I am to search Your Book and follow that and to avoid something else? "Yes!"

Like the Bible, the Qur'an is also history. And you might be reading something that is condemned by G-d and you are thinking that it is part of the Qur'an that you should follow. But it will be the history of those who deviated, of those who missed the mark, of those who went astray or the history of enemies of mankind. Then you will take something out of context and follow it, and it will lead you to the hellfire.

G-d says: "And take the-best thereof." This also applies to the whole Book. There are some things in the Qur'an that are good and for us to accept, but there are allowances made for people who are weak, who are sick and who can't do better. Allah permits them to do that little bit as their religion. He makes an exception for those.

For example, we have the month of Ramadan, and there are allowances made for the fasting person. If you are sick, you don't have to fast. G-d says He does not want difficulty for us, but He wants that we be purified. Allah G-d makes excuses for us, Himself. He says that if you can't fast, then give in charity and feed so many poor people for the number of days you missed. These are allowances.

What about the man who wants to give into his weaknesses or to find excuse, someone who will say: "Hell, I've had this headache all day and I am sick!" The Book says: "And follow the best thereof." I can give other examples where G-d excused certain persons because of their condition; He excused them of their obligation.

G-d says that pork is strictly forbidden in Islam, as Muslims know. But G-d even says that if you are forced by starvation and there is nothing to eat but pork, eat it but disliking that you have to eat it and just enough of it to survive.

These are allowances made. Now the weak person will look for excuses, so G-d says "and follow the best thereof."

A real man does not want to go into any weak training program, he wants a strong training program. That is the real man who is feeling his "cheerios," it will be an insult to give him a weak program. It is in human nature. And women are like that, too, to want to follow the best thereof.

I have heard a youngster say: "Is that all? That is too easy. Give me a stronger test than that." Your own self-respect and appreciation for your own ability won't let you have a challenge that is weak; you want a challenge that is strong.

G-d says: "And follow the best thereof." We should all have this mind when we are reading the Qur'an, and when we are in the public showing our life and living our life out in the public that includes mostly Christians and Jews and Buddhists and others in this great country of plurality and ethnic diversity. You should be presenting the best that you can possibly present.

Isn't that what our country mothers and fathers told us? "OK boy, you are going out there, so do your best. Be on your best behavior. Don't you disgrace this family." That is in human nature. If all of us strove for the best excellence that G-d has created and caused us to inherit from the best of human beings who went before us and passed away, we will have a beautiful and wonderful world.

I sit down with Christian leaders and Jewish leaders and Buddhists and others, and after discussing the issues put on the table for a while, the participants forget that we are Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians and others. We forget that; it vanishes. All you are aware of is that you are the same people working on the same issues. Then you forget and hug a person who is supposed to be your enemy.

Allah has made us good, and when we act from that goodness we touch the person who is made just like us for goodness. I used to say as a minister for the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, "I know in the audience are some criminals and killers. But I know you better than you know yourself. You have a good person inside of you who is the true you who wants to live and be free."

Islam is not a religion made by man. Islam is a religion revealed by G-d. Islam is not a religion that conflicts with the best of human standards. The best human standards in this world, Islam is not in opposition to. G-d does not only say follow the way of Islam, G-d also says respect the standards of excellence for mankind all over the world.

It says: "Give orders and instructions with the respect for the highest standards of mankind." Not just Islam, but for the highest known standards for the people of earth. This is Islam the universal religion. No Muslim can go against his good human nature and be obeying G-d and His religion.

If you start to do something and something inside you won't feel comfortable with that and you know it is bad, then if you do it you are going against G-d and against your religion. I am sure that no matter how much indoctrination the suicide bombers had, I am sure that something came up in their souls and said "this is wrong." But their commanders had more power over them than their own soul.


Peace be unto you.
 
The Question said:
Yes.



He said he was here to show people the way. All of his teachings were about being better human beings. There's no point in forgiving someone's sins if they're just going to sin again afterwards.

You are wrong...why do you keep arguing me?

"In much of Christianity, heaven is a return to the pre-fallen state of humanity, a second and new Garden of Eden, in which humanity is reunited with God in a perfect and natural state of eternal existence. Christians believe this reunion is accomplished through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ in having died for the sins of humanity on the cross."

Christians believe that to get to God in Heaven, you must go through Jesus Christ. Good freaking gosh why do you keep arguing with me and saying that not all Christians believe this. It is that single fact that Jesus is their personal savior is what made Christianity what it is.
 
chaseter said:
You are wrong...why do you keep arguing me?

Because I don't think I'm wrong, maybe?

chaseter said:
"In much of Christianity, heaven is a return to the pre-fallen state of humanity, a second and new Garden of Eden, in which humanity is reunited with God in a perfect and natural state of eternal existence. Christians believe this reunion is accomplished through the redemptive work of Jesus Christ in having died for the sins of humanity on the cross."

Christians believe that to get to God in Heaven, you must go through Jesus Christ. Good freaking gosh why do you keep arguing with me and saying that not all Christians believe this. It is that single fact that Jesus is their personal savior is what made Christianity what it is.

Maybe because NOT ALL CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THIS. Many Christians believe that one's actions and how they follow Jesus' teachings on how to be a better person is what matters. As it said in the Bible itself: "Faith withour works is dead."
 
The Question said:
Because I don't think I'm wrong, maybe?



Maybe because not all Christians believe this. Many Christians believe that one's actions and how they follow Jesus' teachings on how to be a better person is what matters. As it said in the Bible itself: "Faith withour works is dead."
Then it is not Christianity. You are borderlining the Jewish faith in which they heed his teachings but do not believe he is the son of God.

"Christians believe that salvation from "sin and death" is available through faith in Jesus as savior because of his atoning sacrifice on the cross which paid for sins. Reception of salvation is related to justification and usually understood as the activity of unmerited Divine grace.[13]
The operation and effects of grace are understood differently by different traditions. Catholicism teaches the necessity of the free will to cooperate with grace.[14] Reformed theology goes furthest in emphasizing dependence on grace by teaching the total depravity of mankind and the irresistibility of grace.[15] (See Five points of Calvinism)"

If Christians don't believe this then they are simply not Christians. Sure they still believe in Jesus and God, but they are labeled something different.
 
chaseter said:
Then it is not Christianity. You are borderlining the Jewish faith in which they heed his teachings but do not believe he is the son of God.

"Christians believe that salvation from "sin and death" is available through faith in Jesus as savior because of his atoning sacrifice on the cross which paid for sins. Reception of salvation is related to justification and usually understood as the activity of unmerited Divine grace.[13]
The operation and effects of grace are understood differently by different traditions. Catholicism teaches the necessity of the free will to cooperate with grace.[14] Reformed theology goes furthest in emphasizing dependence on grace by teaching the total depravity of mankind and the irresistibility of grace.[15] (See Five points of Calvinism)"

If Christians don't believe this then they are simply not Christians. Sure they still believe in Jesus and God, but they are labeled something different.

No, they're still Christians. They just interpret the Bible differently. They still think Jesus is the Messiah. But they don't think you need to take him as your personal lord and saviour. Simply that you must follow his teachings and live your life by his example. And there are many Christians who think this way. Most of the Christians I know do. And most of the Christians I know don't think that Jews and Muslims are going to go to hell for not receiving Jesus as their personal lord and saviour.
 
The Question said:
No, they're still Christians. They just interpret the Bible differently. They still think Jesus is the Messiah. But they don't think you need to take him as your personal lord and saviour. Simply that you must follow his teachings and live your life by his example. And there are many Christians who think this way. Most of the Christians I know do. And most of the Christians I know don't think that Jews and Muslims are going to go to hell for not receiving Jesus as their personal lord and saviour.
What denomination are you? I can keep throwing out citations and scriptures but it doesn't seem to be hitting you.
 
chaseter said:
What denomination are you?

Episcopalian.

chaseter said:
I can keep throwing out citations and scriptures but it doesn't seem to be hitting you.

Maybe it's because I interpreted the Bible differently from you.
 
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38)

"And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name[Jesus]" (Acts 22:16)

"Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21).

"the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6)
 
chaseter said:
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38)

"And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name[Jesus]" (Acts 22:16)

"Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21).

"the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6)

And yet....

“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” James 2:20


The Bible is full of contradiction. I guess I simply subscribe to the passages that aren't pretentious and elitest.
 
Raybia, all your "facts and "proof" come out of a book that my religion acknoledges as a false religion, from a false prophet, and the Bible states be wary of false prophets. you keep stating that i'm anti islamic and muslumphobic, well i told u i'm not and i have many muslum friends, but i have told them all, dont talk about your religion and i wont talk about mine.

why do almost all muslums feel like they have something to prove to non muslums?

who cares, live your life, ignore others, if you really care about what others say about your religion, then you must have doubts yourself.
 
Assassin said:
Raybia, all your "facts and "proof" come out of a book that my religion acknoledges as a false religion, from a false prophet, and the Bible states be wary of false prophets. you keep stating that i'm anti islamic and muslumphobic, well i told u i'm not and i have many muslum friends, but i have told them all, dont talk about your religion and i wont talk about mine.

why do almost all muslums feel like they have something to prove to non muslums?

who cares, live your life, ignore others, if you really care about what others say about your religion, then you must have doubts yourself.

:whatever: because idiots invariably make sweeping generalizations.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
:whatever: because idiots invariably make sweeping generalizations.
Not to mention the american media depicting them all as terrorists.
 
The Question said:
The Bible is full of contradiction. I guess I simply subscribe to the passages that aren't pretentious and elitest.
Which is why people are more likely to be converted by someone like you :up::heart::up:
 
Mr Sparkle said:
:whatever: because idiots invariably make sweeping generalizations.

Finally, :cmad:

took you long enough sparkle :(
 
7Hells said:
Which is why people are more likely to be converted by someone like you :up::heart::up:

That used to be the case. But now, alot of people are scared and turning to the people who are saying "you are loved by God," instead of the people who say "everyone is loved by God because we are all a part of God as God is a part of us."


Also, more to defend my side: Back when the Bible was finalized, the church ommited several new testament gospels. These were the gospels that brought forth ideas like you're just as likely to be in touch with God in a forrest or in a city street than in a church. This, of course, threatened the system that the church was setting up (which, ironically, was the exact kind of corrupt burocracy that Jesus wanted to do away with in the first place). So, they cut out many parts pertaining to free thinking and personal spirituality. Luckily, enough of those bits remained for the world not to be fulled entirely with ******* Christians.
 
layoff Question, he's the Question damn it, he knows his facts.
 
Erundur said:
layoff Question, he's the Question damn it, he knows his facts.

Not as well as I should, I admit, but better than alot of people. Wilhelm can literally quote almost every passage of the Bible, whereas I'm not knowledgable in the history behind it's creation.
 
The Question said:
That used to be the case. But now, alot of people are scared and turning to the people who are saying "you are loved by God," instead of the people who say "everyone is loved by God because we are all a part of God as God is a part of us."


Also, more to defend my side: Back when the Bible was finalized, the church ommited several new testament gospels. These were the gospels that brought forth ideas like you're just as likely to be in touch with God in a forrest or in a city street than in a church. This, of course, threatened the system that the church was setting up (which, ironically, was the exact kind of corrupt burocracy that Jesus wanted to do away with in the first place). So, they cut out many parts pertaining to free thinking and personal spirituality. Luckily, enough of those bits remained for the world not to be fulled entirely with ******* Christians.

Actually no they didn't. The Council of Nicea merely formalized what books had already been agreed on as being Scriptural. The rest didn't stand up to court, so to speak.

Just because a book had been written during this time period didn't mean it was true.
 
James"007"Bond said:
Read your bible. Jesus' death was foretold centuries before he was even born. Everything you said, regarding why he died is true but it was all intended. God and Jesus both knew what was in store. Jesus' teachings "broke" tradition and the jews naturally got p1ssed at some 33 year old carpenter who was wiser and had the anointing of God than they.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

These don't seem to be the last words of someone who knew what was in store.
 
War Lord said:
Actually no they didn't. The Council of Nicea merely formalized what books had already been agreed on as being Scriptural. The rest didn't stand up to court, so to speak.

And what exactly were their criterea? The gospels they through out were the ones that suggested ideas of personal spirituality and finding God everywhere, not simply in a temple. How lucky for them that the parts they agreed weren't scriptural were the ones that threatened their power base.
 
Assassin said:
Raybia, all your "facts and "proof" come out of a book that my religion acknoledges as a false religion, from a false prophet, and the Bible states be wary of false prophets.

Assassin, I'll repeat what I said previously, I offered evidence to support the response to your claim. Now if your interpretation of Christianity that you hold tells you to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA!" really loud so that you can drown out anything that Islam and Muslims have to say about our "Way of Life" then you are well within your right to dismiss anything that I or others have to say that debates your anti-Islamic claims of Muslims worshipping a moon God.

I think you'll find that for the majority of the world, (non-Muslims included) its not even a debate worth mentioning and is a claim that was part of a smear campaign that was used during the Crusades.

you keep stating that i'm anti islamic and muslumphobic, well i told u i'm not and i have many muslum friends, but i have told them all, dont talk about your religion and i wont talk about mine.

After reading your previous comments, that is the only conclusion that I can come up with. You seem to have a hostility towards Islam. Your "Muslim" friends and you may have an understanding to not discuss religion but I wonder how many would remain your friends if that knew how you felt?

Anyway, I'm not your friend (I'm not your enemy either) so I'm not bound to your little pact.


why do almost all muslums feel like they have something to prove to non muslums?

I cannot give as good as a response that the one as Mr. Sparkle gave, so nuff said.

who cares, live your life, ignore others, if you really care about what others say about your religion, then you must have doubts yourself.

Nice way to psychoanalyse me, didn't know you were a pychologist?

I'm a teacher of Islam so my job is to not only teach Islam to all people who want to learn, but to also present a clear understanding of it as well.

Many non-Muslims criticize mainstream Muslims for not being vocal enough and letting the Fanantics, extermist, and radicals be the voice of Islam and presenting a twisted version of it to the world.

I'm doing my part both here and in my community to be that voice, so do you really think that I'm going to work against the Radicals perverting Islam while I sit and let you and other critics of Islam do the exact same thing?

Please don't think I'm spending all of this time with you because I care what you think about Muslims and Islam.

What I care about is countering the smear campaign against Islam that started in the time of Mohammed and continues to this day.

What I care about is both Muslims and non-Muslims holding the proper understanding of the message of the Qur'an and what it is that G-d wants for all of humanity. This can produce a more tolerable atomsphere and safer environment for me and my family and other Muslims here in America.

What I have to say is for those who have an open-mind and want to broaden their horizons about not only Islam but their own religion too. I just want to make Muslims better Muslims, Christians better Christians, and Jews better Jews. My efforts is not to convert Christians into Muslims, I want to convert Muslims into Muslims.

My prayer is that the best of all religious folk can live and work together for the betterment of society. Very idealistic, but this is a very deep and strong conviction that I hold.

So in conclusion Assasin, I will never hold the attitude of "who cares, live my life, and ignore others." I live my life for others and that is what both Islam and Christianity teaches. To truly serve G-d you should serve and do good to others in society."

Assasin, forget for the moment about learning more about Islam, I would suggest that you learn more about Christianity and please learn it from a person and a religious community that actually demonstrate the teaching of Christ Jesus, because I know that Jesus wouldn't support the attitudes you hold against a group of people who merely say, "We believe in one G-d and we seek to be obedient to G-d."
 
Assassin said:
Raybia, all your "facts and "proof" come out of a book that my religion acknoledges as a false religion, from a false prophet, and the Bible states be wary of false prophets.

Your relgion doesn aknowledge that. People in your religion do. Others accept the traditions and beleifs of Islam.
 
Elijya said:
Then why'd he stay in Israel his whole life, and never traveled the world spreading his teachings?

First of all, Israel and neighbouring countries were suffering the most turmoil and work needed to be started here. Secondly, what do u think the disciples were there for? Acting as Christ's posing entourage? No. When Jesus rose he told them to go all over the worldand spread the news and teachings. They were in training pretty much before Christ died.
 

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