Chuck (NBC)

[Neptune]

Why did the CIA kill Shaw's wife anayway?

 

[Raiden]

Why did the CIA kill Shaw's wife anayway?

I'm hoping we will find out the answer in the next 6 eps.

 

[Matt]

It seems like The Ring manipulated them into killing her by tricking them into thinking she was an agent.

 

[Raiden]

OK, what an episode.... I was seriously shocked by it at the end. I didn't want for Shaw to die or to betray his team like that, but I'm not writing the story so yeah...

I feel better now. LOL. It's silly I know, this is just a tv show, but as a Brandon/Shaw fan, well, I couldn't help but feel very sad about how things turned out for him. It was well done, though, so I'm ok with it now.

So, now after a second viewing, I was able to enjoy it more than the first time, and it is a very good ep. Easily one of the best in the series. It was funny, VERY tense, dramatic, surprising and very well acted by all, especially by Brandon Routh. He totally sold those emotions the character was feeling, and he added a great deal of gravitas to the role of a broken man consumed by revenge. He was also very good in the American Hero ep, but here he was just brilliant, IMO. He plays the tragic villain very well. But he is not any villain, he is a villain with a conscience! He still tried to be thoughtful and somewhat considerate to his victims. He drugged up Sarah just to make sure she wouldn't suffer while dying, and he didn't reveal that Chuck was the Intersect. You could also see the guilt on his face when he met the Ring Director in the elevator; he knew it was wrong to betray his team, but his need for revenge against those who betrayed him was just so powerful. Not even his feelings for Sarah could stop it. His devotion for his dead wife was just so much stronger.

Shaw, I think, wanted to seek revenge against CIA moreso than Sarah, since it was the CIA who ordered the hit against his late wife. However, Sarah also had to die since she was the one who pulled the trigger. It was considerate of him to try to arrange a more painless death for her, however.

I believe he snapped when his wife was killed those many years ago, and since then he dedicated his whole life to find those responsible for her death. And it wouldn't matter on what side he was. Very sad. I think his send off was very dramatic, classy and poignant. The whole location, music used, mood, was just great and worthy of the character.

Rip Especial Agent Daniel Shaw.

Shaw was driven to fight against The Ring when he believed that they were the ones who resulted in the death of his wife, so naturally his vengeance against CIA would be nothing less terrible. Shaw wasn't a bad man; just a man who were utterly consumed by the thirst for payback.

But is he really dead? He makes a truly badass villain for Chuck... and Sarah. And he kicked Chuck's butt during that fight with the knives. t: BTW, Brandon was on the set when they were filming the final ep, so who knows?!

Shaw's dead. But I'm glad to hear that Routh came back to watch them film the final ep. It was cool to see Shaw beating Chuck even when Chuck was Intersect-enhanced.

Also, I found it very disturbing how easily Chuck and Sarah were ready to jump into bed right AFTER what had just happend with Shaw.... They came off as very shallow, cold and unlikable. And that's why I can't stand them or root for them anymore at all. But I guess at this stage the C/S shippers will take just about anything they can...

Why is it disturbing? Sarah already formally hook up with Chuck before the mission, and they were a couple and it's not like Sarah suddenly cozied up to Chuck like that. Of course, Sarah's gratitude to Chuck and Chuck's own pin-up feelings for Sarah (after all those months of seeing her with Shaw) had alot to do with them "hitting the sack" so soon after Shaw's death. I think they will probably mourn for him later, but this is a much better way to end the episode (and the season; this was the original season finale) than them bowing their head and mourn.

And FINALLY Chuck was man enough to pull the trigger. If he wants to become a real spy, well, he will have to kill sometimes. There is no way around that.

I agree. I think the first one is always the hardest, and once Chuck gets it out of the way I think he might find it easier to do it again in the future. However, I think pulling the trigger will always be the last resort for him; he's Chuck, after all.

 

[Kaleb]

I originally thought that Shaw was a ring agent, and his wife worked for the cia and went deep under cover as a ring agent and thats when they first met and fell in love and shaw left the Ring when he learnt that his wife got exposed and got killed by a ring operative.

 

[Raiden]

What's the name of the next ep? I want to see the preview. Btw, it does suck that we have to wait 3 weeks to see a new Chuck again.

 

[Sawyer]

What's the name of the next ep? I want to see the preview. Btw, it does suck that we have to wait 3 weeks to see a new Chuck again.

Chuck Versus the Honeymooners

 

[stargazer]

It was a sloppy episode for me. How was Casey able to capture the freaking boss of the ring so easily? Oh yeah, that's right. We don't know if it was easy because it was off camera Chuck himself said he wasn't a killer. I understand that might kill Shaw in that situation but he felt nothing afterwards. No shock, no remorse no doubts nothing. Also what was Sarah thinking? She left Chuck for Shaw, then she starts fooling around with Chuck again without any thought as to what that would do to Shaw. Are we supposed to believe that out of the blue she didn't care about Shaw anymore? I know she would end up with Chuck eventually but is still. Those were some of the thing that really bugged me.

I agree, it was poorly done.

Why is it disturbing? Sarah already formally hook up with Chuck before the mission, and they were a couple and it's not like Sarah suddenly cozied up to Chuck like that. Of course, Sarah's gratitude to Chuck and Chuck's own pin-up feelings for Sarah (after all those months of seeing her with Shaw) had alot to do with them "hitting the sack" so soon after Shaw's death. I think they will probably mourn for him later, but this is a much better way to end the episode (and the season; this was the original season finale) than them bowing their head and mourn.

Cool that it works for you. It doesn't for me at all.

I think it was poorly done. It would have worked so much better if they had done that scene but in a more tender and sensitive way, like having them hugging and kissing tenderly but without implying sex or making silly jokes. At least not so soon. It came off as very cheap and gimmicky and just done to appease the shippers, imo.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Brandon Routh really didn't go over well with the Chuck fans.

Killing him off like this was probably a smart move.

His character change seemed too unbelievable though.

Sucks he had to die in such an unheroic way.

 

[iamlegend]

Brandon Routh really didn't go over well with the Chuck fans.

Killing him off like this was probably a smart move.

His character change seemed too unbelievable though.

Sucks he had to die in such an unheroic way.

Blame that on the shorter (13 ep) original order. The writers just didn't have enough time to properly develop every single character arc. You could see it with all of the characters (Chuck excluded, obviously, since he is the titular role/star).

That said, Shaw was doomed to die long before he became unpopular with fans... They wrote/filmed these eps long before the Shawpocalypse started among Chuck fandom. His death and Sarah and Chuck's relationship consummation have been planned since they scripted season 3.

 

[iamlegend]

I agree, it was poorly done.

Cool that it works for you. It doesn't for me at all.

I think it was poorly done. It would have worked so much better if they had done that scene but in a more tender and sensitive way, like having them hugging and kissing tenderly but without implying sex or making silly jokes. At least not so soon. It came off as very cheap and gimmicky and just done to appease the shippers, imo.

The episode was written as a potential series finale when it was first scripted, so the writers felt the need to consummate the relationship and tie things up... (and rightfully so, I think)

Part of it comes back to what I posted above, about the limited screen time they could afford to huge character arcs.

And I find it interesting that you'll pick on shippers despite being an enormous Routh/Shaw fan who only started watching the show for his character. Just saying.

 

[O'Haire]

Why would they mourn Shaw? Dude betrayed everyone by giving The Ring the info to complete their Intersect. Tried to kill Sarah.

I wouldn't mourn someone that tried to kill me. I would be like "**** him. I'm glad he's dead"

 

[stargazer]

Brandon Routh really didn't go over well with the Chuck fans.

Killing him off like this was probably a smart move.

His character change seemed too unbelievable though.

Sucks he had to die in such an unheroic way.

His death was planned long before the hate started. And he, and the showrunners too, knew too well that he'd be the recipient of the Chuck fans' wrath, though. haha


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXS5V8lK5I

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[Raiden]

His death was planned long before the hate started. And he, and the showrunners too, knew too well that he'd be the recipient of the Chuck fans' wrath, though. haha


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXS5V8lK5I

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Well, I did watch Routh's interview where he predicted that the fans won't like his character Shaw in the end, but any character (whether Bryce or Shaw) who would try to compete against Chuck for Sarah's affection naturally won't get good reception from the fans; it's a show about Chuck, after all.

Btw MP, are you going to keep watching Chuck after Shaw's departure? It sounds like you are only watching the show for Brandon Routh, and you couldn't care less about Chuck in the show that is mainly about him.

 

[Deadpool876]

Chuck's such a hilarious spy. Did he just say at the location of Sarah and Shaw, cancel the tank? lol A small army, tactical support, and a tank for 1 man. haha

 

[Matt]

Well, I did watch Routh's interview where he predicted that the fans won't like his character Shaw in the end, but any character (whether Bryce or Shaw) who would try to compete against Chuck for Sarah's affection naturally won't get good reception from the fans; it's a show about Chuck, after all.

I don't think so. People seemed to like Bryce. I know I did. He was charming. Shaw was not. He was well developed (despite having less screen time). Shaw was not. He was well acted. Shaw was not. He was fun to watch. Shaw was not. So even if Bryce was Chuck's rival, he was still an interesting character. I mean, hell, the reaction was positive enough for NBC/Universal to give Bomer his own development deal on USA.

Btw MP, are you going to keep watching Chuck after Shaw's departure? It sounds like you are only watching the show for Brandon Routh, and you couldn't care less about Chuck in the show that is mainly about him.

I'm sorta curious about this one too, MP. You only came in the Chuck thread when your mancrush was cast. Will you be sticking around?

 

[stargazer]

I find your posts regarding the character of Shaw funny and SO biased, Matt.. clearly, you have this huge mancrush on Bryce/Bomer... and you think your opinions are law and shared by all. You really don't speak for all those millions of fans and casual viewers who watch the show.

I like the show and most of the characters a lot, so I'll probably continue watching. Maybe not live all the time, but I will. I'm curious to know what happens.


And I'm done with this discussion. Think whatever you want..

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I find your posts regarding the character of Shaw funny and SO biased, Matt.. clearly, you have this huge mancrush of Bryce/Bomer... and you think your opinions are law and shared by all. You really don't speak for all those millions fans who watch the show.

I like the show and most of the characters a lot, so I'll probably continue watching. Maybe not live all the time, but I will. I'm curious to know what happens.


And I'm done with this discussion. Think whatever you want..

I don't think he said anything that was even close to that quote. He was just expressing his opinion from his observations and his observations certainly aren't wrong. Matt Bomer was popular as Bryce on Chuck and Brandon Routh as Shaw wasn't, and I like Routh as an actor, but not as much as you haha.

 

[Matt]

Thank you Parker. Calm down, MP. I was joking with the mancrush line.

I'm just stating a very obvious fact. Read the message boards and critic reviews. Bomer as Bryce was incredibly well received where as Routh as Shaw was not. Especially among fans. You claim I am stating my opinion as fact but you are the one who is so quick to write anyone who disliked Shaw off as a disgruntled Chuck/Sarah shipper.

Furthermore, I think aside from critics and fans responding from Bomer (who again, was universally praised) clearly the studio saw something in him too as his development deal for White Collar came right after his universally praised performances on Chuck.

 

[Matt]

Thank you Parker. Calm down, MP. I was joking with the mancrush line.

I'm just stating a very obvious fact. Read the message boards and critic reviews. Bomer as Bryce was incredibly well received where as Routh as Shaw was not. Especially among fans. You claim I am stating my opinion as fact but you are the one who is so quick to write anyone who disliked Shaw off as a disgruntled Chuck/Sarah shipper.

Furthermore, I think aside from critics and fans responding from Bomer (who again, was universally praised) clearly the studio saw something in him too as his development deal for White Collar came right after his universally praised performances on Chuck.

 

[Raiden]

Thank you Parker. Calm down, MP. I was joking with the mancrush line.

I'm just stating a very obvious fact. Read the message boards and critic reviews. Bomer as Bryce was incredibly well received where as Routh as Shaw was not. Especially among fans. You claim I am stating my opinion as fact but you are the one who is so quick to write anyone who disliked Shaw off as a disgruntled Chuck/Sarah shipper.

Furthermore, I think aside from critics and fans responding from Bomer (who again, was universally praised) clearly the studio saw something in him too as his development deal for White Collar came right after his universally praised performances on Chuck.

So how is the series White Collar? Is it a good show?

 

[O'Haire]

White Collar is good stuff. Really looking forward to season 2.

 

[Deadpool876]

I liked Routh as Shaw! Got a problem with that?!?

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[jdogg willie]

Why do we have to wait almost an entire month for new Chuck??

 

[Red Cherry Lips]

I liked Routh as Shaw! Got a problem with that?!?

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