Collider Videos Cancels MovieTalk, Jedi Council, and Heroes

[Kane52630]

To all you Collider fans who need a new place for nerd sh**.

 

[Boom]

Double Toasted is all you need.

 

[jmc]

Well that's silly. SJ has videos and series that consistently bring in 500k-1m views and they have over 6 mill subscribers. They're good. They did try the pay route and that tanked already, but that's not surprising
Collider or Double Toasted or whoever don't have anywhere near that

if you’re talking the honest trailers then yes you are right. It’s the on air talent and people producing their news show which is where all their money goes too though. Honest trailers is cheap to produce in comparison which is why Collider is focusing on that deep fake nonsense. So yes, I do think this Collider issue should send a shiver down the screen Junkies folks spines. Double Toasted is cheap to make in comparison.

 

[NotNickFury]

This probably doesn't help:

 

[Detective Conan]

Campea’s thoughts on the situation.

 

[Prettyricky]

To all you Collider fans who need a new place for nerd sh**.

Double toasted is good but sometimes they bring too much politics in or there movie reviews are longer then needed

 

[Kev4000]

To all you Collider fans who need a new place for nerd sh**.

Thank you, didnt know this before. Sub.

 

[Wheels]

I like this type of content personally. Not everyone wants movie discussion from a disconnected elitest perspective so Movie Talk was refreshing when it first started. Content in this vein will continue to have a place in my opinion. Actual film criticism has it's place too but Campea's original concept of SportsCenter for movie fans and the more casual fan review popularized by Schmoes Know need to remain around as much as the more legitimate film reviews do. Not everyone needs a background in film studies to love movies after all. Just because I like blockbusters and schlock movies doesn't mean I don't watch Oscar fair too. I'm not interested in being talked down to because I like things that aren't "real cinema" so SEN, John Campea, Double Toasted, Screen Junkies, etc. etc. are a nice way for me to keep up with movies without being crapped on for my fandom.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I used to be a daily watcher of Collider when they still had most of the old AMC crew still there. But I started drifting away once Campea, Schnepp, Ellis, and Harloff were gone and replaced by boring, unfunny, and just unlikable on-air personalities. I then hated how they kept changing the show format, scheduling, and hosts (you almost never knew who'd actually be on each episode) of nearly every show that I had liked. The final straw was Marc Fernandez taking over and hosting shows while being a complete moron and jerk. I suspect Collider won't be around in 2-3 years with the way he's running it as he's got no clue on how to maintain or grow the site.

 

[bapi]

I'm by far not a film snob. In fact over the years I've become a bit more lenient on films while so many people can be incredibly harsh, even to the point of exaggerations about how bad a film might be.

From seeing some of these critics reviews I don't think a number of them have a truly great grasp on cinema necessarily. Like a number of things might go over their heads if a movie has a lot of subtext in it.

Well the problem is most of these guys seem incredibly immature and their movie taste didn't change since they were 17. Honestly I only watch RLM but recently gave up on Half in the Bag cos they pretty much say the same things over and over again these days and totally skip movies for adults. Even their catch-up was basically only horror movies and so.

Collider was good for interviews but sites which have no scoops, exclusives, behind the scene info or decent box office analysis are useless in my eyes.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Marc Fernandez destroyed Collider.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Marc Fernandez destroyed Collider.

I knew it was coming. I see the future of Collider being anti disney star wars deep fake videos and thats probably it. Im trying to think of something Fernandez has contributed to and i literally can't think of a single thing.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Eh, most of them folks on the collider shows were just meh. Hell, they had Alicia Malone on their crew back in the early days and her more thoughtful serious type of film discussion was thrown out the window by bald Campea. She is now on TCM. Never liked Campea to begin with, but at least Schnepp made him somewhat less annoying. I've seen Roxy Striar in person tho, she is smokin hot.

RLM won me over when they started going after them. Their review for ROS pretty much saved my money.

 

[Broseph44]

Eh, most of them folks on the collider shows were just meh. Hell, they had Alicia Malone on their crew back in the early days and her more thoughtful serious type of film discussion was thrown out the window by bald Campea. She is now on TCM. Never liked Campea to begin with, but at least Schnepp made him somewhat less annoying. I've seen Roxy Striar in person tho, she is smokin hot.

RLM won me over when they started going after them. Their review for ROS pretty much saved my money.

Roxy is smoking hot but annoying and dumb as hell.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Roxy is smoking hot but annoying and dumb as hell.

Dorina knows her stuff tho. She was always kinda shut down when talking more serious type of flicks or the other folks in there just weren't interested. That Macuga guy would just throw a fit whenever talking about black and white flicks.

 

[Detective Conan]

Marc Fernandez destroyed Collider.

Not really, he actually saved them. Before it was bought by him Colider’s previous owner Complex was going to shut the entire thing down, and put everyone there out of work but Fernandez bought them, and saved jobs. He kept a lot of the shows like MovieTalk, Heroes, and Jedi Council as long as he could even when he easily could’ve cut costs & shut it down. It’s easy to pin this situation on one person but the reality is a bit more complicated than that.

One single person didn’t destroy Colider, the decline in views did. Could Fernandez had run it better? Sure. but keep in mind the whole online video movie discussion thing are frankly not a novelty anymore(if they ever were) and are really a dime in a dozen — there’s already so many out there like Screen Junkies, Red Letter Media, etc. that it was always going to be a tough landscape to compete in.

Fernandez is just doing what any smart business person would do under the situation which is to make the hard pragmatic decisions, and not let emotion blind you from necessity. In a perfect world I’m sure Marc would’ve kept all of those guys on payroll but the simple fact is that those shows weren’t doing well numbers wise, so it just didn’t justify keeping them going which unfortunately means laying off a lot of talent. It’s sad, but it is what it is. Now that’s not to say he doesn’t share some responsibility since the decline in viewership happened under his watch but in these circumstances he just can’t afford to keep those shows going. Now that isn’t to say Fernandez didn’t do something wrong as I at least think he should’ve given the laid off employees the heads up that those they won’t be working there anymore earlier than just a few hours before it was officially announced via a press release. They could’ve handled this better in terms of telling them the bad news.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I just feel like they didn't have likable hosts left for the general audience. It ain't enough to see and hear folks talk about things one likes/interested in, if them folks talking are just awful and give no real insight. Harloff in a more loose type platform on collider was just talking about personal stuff that was both not funny and not interesting, while also throwing jabs at his viewers. That Perri chick also sucked when talking about flicks, at least to me.

 

[Prison Mike]

I’m REALLY late to the game because I only just started watching Collider Live a few months ago. Going to miss it though

 

[jmc]

Not only were the replacements hosts boring, they all sounded exactly the same. My biggest issue with Collider and before then AMC was that the discussion was very one way. They were effectively in a bubble not wanting to piss off access to junkets and press events, so reviews rarely, if ever, resulted into any type of real debate. Part of the reason why I think this whole group of Anti-TLJ channels popped up, and in many cases now running successfully, is because Collider never really had a voice on that ran contrary to anything they were discussing.

Screen Junkies has a similar problem where their hosts seem to walk on eggshells and all kinda sound the same although to be far Dan Murell seems to at least understand and bring up opposing views. He was the only person I ever saw on any of these shows who seemed to understand where the dislike for TLJ came from. But overall, that lack of differing voice and passionate discussion is where these channels fall. This is why RLM gets such strong views, because you can tell the guys understand film and love discussing it. They only have a million subs, but their audience retention for their videos is staggering for a channel their size. Most youtubers with a million subs are lucky if 20% of their subs watch new videos, RLM gets well over 50-60%, their TROS review clocked in over a million views in less than 24 hours.

 

[kguillou]

I just starting watching Collider regularly this year but their main Movie Talk show got boring fast because the hosts were so...vanilla. Like @jmc said they all were walking on eggshells and never had any real opinions. In this day and age nobody wants to see that. Probably because, yes, they didnt wanna piss off people who could give them junket passes and interviews. But people want debate, people wanna hear someone give an unpopular opinion. Say what you will about Campea (i watch his show everyday), he has his own formula but he gives an honest raw opinion. When he doesnt like or agree with something he voices it and does it in an unfiltered way. Thats what people want from these pundits, unfiltered raw and entertaining points of view. Its why Stuckmann has been so successful, he’s very likeable and professional and knowledgable when he talks about film but when a movie is s*** and he says its s*** in often a hilariously entertaining manner. Hearing a bunch of hosts agree with each other everyday is boring.

Although i did like the Collider Live show, it seemed a lot more unscripted and honest.

 

[kguillou]

Oof, man, speaking of Campea, you guys should watch the epic video rant he just dropped blasting Jack Hind. Hind is apparently the #2 guy over at Collider and he tweeted several very condescending tweets about the people who worked over at Collider and the viewers. Basically he s*** all over the people who just lost their jobs. Campea just went full nuclear on this guy, and deservedly so. holy s***.

 

[MadVillainy]

Oof, man, speaking of Campea, you guys should watch the epic video rant he just dropped blasting Jack Hind. Hind is apparently the #2 guy over at Collider and he tweeted several very condescending tweets about the people who worked over at Collider and the viewers. Basically he s*** all over the people who just lost their jobs. Campea just went full nuclear on this guy, and deservedly so. holy s***.

No matter the industry, no matter people's age... There will always be some petty high school antics

 

[Dr. Evil]

I am of the opinion that the quality of Collider went down when Jon Schnepp passed away.

 

[writer0327]

Honestly out of all the movie discussion/critic channels out there, Collider needed to do more to set itself apart as a daily show. DT is comedic and hip and fun. Nerdrotic and G&Gand a host of other copycats seems to have the angry crowd on lock, and then there's Campea who basically built Collider and is engaging and knowledgeable. This is why everyone says SJ is next because they are similar to Collider. It seemed their strategy was to have access to exclusive access to the junkets and pressers, but they suffered by not having interesting, high quality hosts who would not be afraid to speak their mind. Campea, Schnepp, Ellis, Harloff, and Napzok, were the highlights of that channel about 3 years ago. Huge drop off after that.

 

[jmc]

Say what you want against Campea but you can’t deny the dude’s personality isn’t a draw for people, as obnoxious as it can be sometimes. A lot of the independent channels now rising up have a lot of people with big personalities too. So, Collider very much had a personality problem. I also think over saturation was an issue. Collider was trying to be a daily movie news channel, the problem is there isn’t always interesting movie news to report, and when you’re audience are nerds who don’t want to hear about the latest indie film by Greta Gerwig or whoever the topics of conversation start to become limited.