Confession I have...Hugh Jackman was a horrible Wolverine...

I agree 100% Kevin, you can't knock out Wolverine with a tree branch! Especially so he's out cold for hours. Imagine if Spider-man uncorked on Fox Wolverine, he'd be coma-tized. After the truck accident it all fell apart.
 
it annoyed me that wolverine completely and utterly dominated the x-men movie. we got the 'wolverine movie' long before wolverine: origins.
if there is an x-men 4 I really hope wolverine isn't in it.
 
they just need to reboot already

the current franchise has been beaten to a bloody pulp, and wasn't even that great to begin with

MASSIVE room for improvement
 
they just need to reboot already

the current franchise has been beaten to a bloody pulp, and wasn't even that great to begin with

MASSIVE room for improvement

It was great to begin with. You wouldn't have this new wave of more human, more mature superhero movies if it wasn't for X-Men. Singer started it and Nolan ran with it.

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a lot would argue Blade is the one to start that trend

regardless who did though, I still stand by my opinion, the current X Men franchise isn't the greatest and there's massive room for improvement
 
The difference is that in the first movie, he was portrayed as a very dangerous, angry guy who one should steer clear of. A loose canon who threatened everyone usually seconds after meeting them. In the third movie, he is a very typical Hollywood action hero. He's almost cuddly in X3, gone from dangerous to everyone to just a bit gruff and sarcastic. Hugh Jackman acts in X1, he coasts on his action movie hero charisma in X3.
That was kind of my problem with Jackman's Wolverine from the start. Sure he got even "tamer" by X3, but I never felt he was a particularly dangerous or threatening guy to begin with. Sure, his introduction was great, but after that he went from a menacing tough-guy loner to a cocky, lovable rogue pretty fast.

Part of the problem may have been the script but I also think that the gruffy, yet stylish facial hair and clothing couldn't hide Jackman's classic leading man looks and natural likability. Not that I didn't enjoy Hugh Jackman's version of the character, but honestly it didn't feel like the Wolverine I knew from the comics. I expected Wolverine to be more like, I don't know, a Danny Trejo/Charles Bronson character, I guess. Instead Jackman's Wolverine reminded me of Han Solo.
 
a lot would argue Blade is the one to start that trend

regardless who did though, I still stand by my opinion, the current X Men franchise isn't the greatest and there's massive room for improvement

blade really didn't. it was x-men's 50mil weekend opening that made the studios sit up and take note of the fact that a faithful superhero movie is where it's at if you wants bums on seats, as opposed to just bums.
you could even say blade was a horror/action movie as opposed to superhero.

and as for the arguments on this thread, i have yet to read any convincing arguments against jackman's performance.

the op's stance was immediately undermined by his replacement choice, no offence mate, but how can you argue against jackman being too tall and pretty, when micheal wincott is absolutely wrong, even just in a physical way, for the role.
he is a lanky streak of bacon, even if he ate a bucket of steroids he would still be a lanky type , he's more like the comic book joker in physical stature.
and his gravelly voice is completelyu wrong too. and his face.

and as for the guy who said jackman was a joke and was 'laughing at the role' while in character, i would love it if you pointed out at what moments in the movies your extrasensory film critic powers read his body language to bedoing that.
the guy takes the role with the utmost seriousness, there is no camp, winkyrine vibe in his performance at all. even nin the inferior x-men3, he gives a sterling performance, his turn at the end when giving jean the send off was a top quality example of an actor taking the outlandish material 100%seriously and boiling it down to the real emotions, no matter what was going on around him.

frickin' picky superhero fans don't know how good they got it sometimes.

and yknow what, he was never described as, or looked 'ugly' in the books, he always looked like a well turned out stylish looking guy. he knew how to work those sideburns, wearing the cowboy style gear.
ok, you might have got he odd artiost who drew him a little more skuzzy lookin', but for the main part he looked like a guywith jackman's facial qualities. jackman even has a good handsome biggish nose, like logan did in the books.
and his height never impacted on the stories, all you get would be someone calling him a 'runt' now and again.

we also got a pretty fair representation of his character development through the books compressed into the movies.
in x1 he starts off as an abrasive ***hole, just like the books, but mellows slightly as he works with and gets to know the team, it has his father figure relationships with the younger female members represented with rogue, etc etc
it's all there.

but i repect that the op realises this is a rare moan to have amongst sh/cb fans, but, you just didn't give any convincing arguments as to why you feel this way, and in actuality seemed to be arguing for a type of actor that would not have felt like wolverine at all.

'get out of my bar freak'

'what do they call you? wheels?! this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard...and cyclops? youwannagetouttamyway?'

'you wanna give these geeks one more chance? c'mon, i'll take care of you.'

'you wanna shoot me? shoot me!'

all classic wolverine moments that captured the character's crazy and sensitive traits, and were perfectly delivered by jackman.

even in the 3rd and 4th movies, that were average in comparison to singer's, he was always worth watching, why? because he was always giving his all, and you could tell he loves the character. he will be the first actor to break chris reeve's record of 4 movies, and i hope he goes on to do more.
 
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That was kind of my problem with Jackman's Wolverine from the start. Sure he got even "tamer" by X3, but I never felt he was a particularly dangerous or threatening guy to begin with. Sure, his introduction was great, but after that he went from a menacing tough-guy loner to a cocky, lovable rogue pretty fast.

Part of the problem may have been the script but I also think that the gruffy, yet stylish facial hair and clothing couldn't hide Jackman's classic leading man looks and natural likability. Not that I didn't enjoy Hugh Jackman's version of the character, but honestly it didn't feel like the Wolverine I knew from the comics. I expected Wolverine to be more like, I don't know, a Danny Trejo/Charles Bronson character, I guess. Instead Jackman's Wolverine reminded me of Han Solo.

yeah, but the movies are a compressed version of the history in the books.
he was the angry psycho in the first years of the x-men books, actually, you could even say the first few months in the series, when dave cockrum was illustrating, before they chilled him out a bit and he became more 'likeable'.
edit: with the psycho side resurfacing in bursts when it was right for the story.
this is pretty much how it goes down in the movies too.
 
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I think this is more on the writers parts then his acting.
 
I disagree with this thread. Hugh Jackman was a pretty decent Wolverine. Without a doubt he was at his best in the first film, where he shrugged everyone off but at times showed a side of sensitivity(Rogue). They kept this going until the third film where he was an action star(like all of you said) but you can't blame Hugh Jackman for that, the writing and directing for X3 was awful and the entire movie was a complete disappointment for us comic readers.

Though Origins got a lot of things wrong they did a decent job of bring Wolverine back to his "hard" persona, Hugh was one of the bright spots of Origins.

Overall though Hugh has been a pretty decent Wolverine, live action wise we don't have much to go by as he's been the only live action Wolverine. He's a good actor who has had terrible directing after the 2nd film, you can't blame him for that.
 
Jackman is perfect is the first movie.....by the third, he is not playing Logan at all, he is playing Hugh Jackman the Action Hero, jokes and all.

This. Well for the most part, he was best during the cage match bar scene. After that I still enjoyed his performance but his first scene was great.

Also a mention to the mansion attack in part 2.
 
Animated Series and Comic Books are my source material. And based on that particular character, no way Hugh Jackman was a good Wolverine.

Michael Wincott, Mickey Rourke, guys like that would do so much of a better job, imo...

Well, to begin with, you're completely wrong in many assesments of the character. Wolverine could definitely " get the girl."Mariko, Silver Fox, Yukio, Tyger Tiger, the list goes on and on. He just happened to meet two women he couldn't get, Jean and Heather. He does fine with women.

I don't know why you think he is supposed to be ugly either. Bryne never drew him as a hideous looking little man or anything.

Now, I don't think jackman has done bad. Mostly it's the writing. They made wolvie too soft, but acting wise jackman has been fine.
 
it annoyed me that wolverine completely and utterly dominated the x-men movie. we got the 'wolverine movie' long before wolverine: origins.
if there is an x-men 4 I really hope wolverine isn't in it.
Thank you!!!Poor Cyclops never gets his props not in comics,movies or cartoons ergo;Wolverine and the X-men.
Goodness I am sick to death of Wolverine.He was once a cool character but now I'm just sick of him.
 
they just need to reboot already

the current franchise has been beaten to a bloody pulp, and wasn't even that great to begin with

MASSIVE room for improvement

I concur, for the most part. Especially the part where I bolded.

Unfortunately, I think the franchise has been beaten to death so badly that I don't even want to see a reboot anytime soon. :csad:
 
yeah, but the movies are a compressed version of the history in the books.
he was the angry psycho in the first years of the x-men books, actually, you could even say the first few months in the series, when dave cockrum was illustrating, before they chilled him out a bit and he became more 'likeable'.
edit: with the psycho side resurfacing in bursts when it was right for the story.
this is pretty much how it goes down in the movies too.
I'm not saying he should have been portrayed as a psycho, more like a grizzled, world-weary old warrior. Even when he's charismatic or likable there should be a sense of danger and violence about him. That's why I think it would have been interesting to see the role played by some actor who, like Michael Wincott, usually plays villains, thugs or gruff, no-nonsense Army sergeants.
 
I'm not saying he should have been portrayed as a psycho, more like a grizzled, world-weary old warrior. Even when he's charismatic or likable there should be a sense of danger and violence about him. That's why I think it would have been interesting to see the role played by some actor who, like Michael Wincott, usually plays villains, thugs or gruff, no-nonsense Army sergeants.

oh, ok, but i think they got this feeling in the 1st two flicks, and tried to get it across in 3, with a little success, showing him as a bit of a loose cannon during the training session, and acting like he didn't really want to be there and was just 'passing through'.
I don't think that type of actor would be so good as wolverine , he's the charismatic loose cannon, he shouldn't have any kind of 'villan' vibe going on. He never felt like that to me in the books. Micheal wincott has a creepy villan vibe, that's not so right for the role. He has to be able to go from gruff pain in the ass to highly sensitive good guy, typecast bad guys who naturally give off the villan vibes wouldn't be able to flip so well with that i think.
 
oh, ok, but i think they got this feeling in the 1st two flicks, and tried to get it across in 3, with a little success, showing him as a bit of a loose cannon during the training session, and acting like he didn't really want to be there and was just 'passing through'.
I don't think that type of actor would be so good as wolverine , he's the charismatic loose cannon, he shouldn't have any kind of 'villan' vibe going on. He never felt like that to me in the books. Micheal wincott has a creepy villan vibe, that's not so right for the role. He has to be able to go from gruff pain in the ass to highly sensitive good guy, typecast bad guys who naturally give off the villan vibes wouldn't be able to flip so well with that i think.

I agree with this. He should be the guy that's likeable, and you only realize how truly dangerous he is when he loses it in a fight with some of the baddies.

Also, I wouldn't say Wolverine should come off as an old world weary warrior. World weary for sure, but Wolverine has never been drawn as looking that "old." He's always had the appearance of a man in his late 30's/early 40's. It's his demeanor that makes him feel more grizzled.

And if we were picking other actors to do Wolverine, I always thought Russel Crowe would have been a great choice. I remember hearing a while back that the was actually offered the role, but turned it down for Gladiator.
 
I don't see how X1 and X2 were Wolverine films.

X1 focused on Wolverine... and Rogue because they were mutants who were introduced to the X-Men. The film itself was about humanities reaction to mutants.

The finale: Then TEAM saved the day

X2 focused on Wolverine because it was something from his past that threatened mutant kind. The WHOLE of mutant kind. It was still a movie about mutants and their plight. Again, the film focused on humanties reaction to the WHOLE of mutant kind, not just Wolverine.

The finale: The TEAM saved the day. And Jean Grey sacrificed herself.

X3? I don't even wanna talk about that to be honest.

I think Jackman is a great Wolverine. Especially in X1 and X2.

The problem with Origins was that Wolverine was watered down to a ridiculous level. He killed LESS people in his own film than in X2 for christ sakes! And he is supposed to be MORE of a cold blooded killer in his past, before he joins the X-Men.
 
Can this thread be renamed the "Fanboy Nitpicking Thread!" :oldrazz:

Seriously though, I think he proved he was perfect casting. Yeah he was taller by a foot, blah blah blah. He absolutely 100 percent nailed the character in the first two films.

I agree him becoming a team leader and basically "Pappa X-Man" in "X3" was out of character and awful. Him being a perfect leading man in the film "Wolverine," sucked. But those movies were badly written, directed and produced by Fox. I don't know if Jackman had much of a say in the neutering of Logan in the later films, but they were poor films and the mischaracterization of Wolverine fell on the writers and directors, ultimately.

But the first two X-Men movies (i.e. the very good ones)? He nailed the character. To say otherwise is nitpicking. Are you really going to hold it against him that he is handsome and a great song-and-dance man on Broadway? Why do fanboys hold versatility against actors? I think Jackman proving he is a great actor who can jump between stage and screen, drama and comedy, musical and action should be a plus and not a negative. But that is just me, of course.
 
I don't see how X1 and X2 were Wolverine films.

X1 focused on Wolverine... and Rogue because they were mutants who were introduced to the X-Men. The film itself was about humanities reaction to mutants.

The finale: Then TEAM saved the day

X2 focused on Wolverine because it was something from his past that threatened mutant kind. The WHOLE of mutant kind. It was still a movie about mutants and their plight. Again, the film focused on humanties reaction to the WHOLE of mutant kind, not just Wolverine.

The finale: The TEAM saved the day. And Jean Grey sacrificed herself.

X3? I don't even wanna talk about that to be honest.
X3 was yet once again about Wolverine and his search and rescue of his lost love.Jean!!!And how he can be the only one to go after her and blah, blah,blah.
 
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That's why i didn't wanna talk about it because everyone already knows X3 is crap and makes Wolverine the leader.
 
Well... I don't like Wolverine (the character) that much, but everyone with just a little knowledge about him must admit that Jackman is all wrong. All wrong.
 
Well... I don't like Wolverine (the character) that much, but everyone with just a little knowledge about him must admit that Jackman is all wrong. All wrong.

Not really. The only thing that stands out is the height, and that could have been fixed with some clever camera work by Singer...he just apparently didn't want to put the effort in.

Other then that, Jackman's been fine. My biggest complaints with his Wolverine come from the writing, not anything he's done.
 

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