Controversial DC Opinions

[The Batman]

I got this idea from the CBR forums....post your controversial opinions on DC characters here.

*I think that Post Crisis Superman is the most overrated version of the character. "Man of Steel" was an overrated miniseries with great art, but it kickstarted a version of superman that has pretty much ruined the character. The continuity changes have lead to an endless mess of trying to change superman's history, and trying to make Supes more like a marvel character in general has a made him boring. IMO, its not surprising that the most critically acclaimed version of the character in the last decade is one that pretty much ignores much of the ideas started in post crisis. There were some good stories, but overall, not really a fan.

*I dont blame DC for "going back to the Silver Age". Characters like Wally West and Kyle Rayner progressed to their natural conclusions. They were mainly interesting because we got to see them grow...and now that they're experienced, they're no longer interesting enough to carry a title by themselves. Hal and Barry are like Bruce and Clark in that you can probably tell more stories with them over a long period of time, not to mention their iconic status. Most replacements are just gimmicks, IMO.

*Batman and Catwoman should never end up together. IMO, both characters are too stubborn to actual commit to each other without one of them going against their basic natures...in fact, I find Selina loses her edge when she's with Bruce.

*Speaking of Batman, Bruce getting replaced with Dick is the best thing that happened to Bruce....Batman and Superman suffer from the same problem: DC has stopped trying to write them as actual characters...if not for morrison and dini, i probably wouldnt be reading batbooks right now, and hopefully JMS puts Clark back on track

 

[Harlekin]

Doesn't your opinion on Dick as Batman kind of conflict with your idea of Bruce and Clark being iconic characters that shouldn't be replaced? I also have to disagree heavily on the Kyle/Wally front and not because they were replaced, but because I don't think they've reached their 'natural conclusion' at all. They've been experienced for years now and were able to carry a title just fine. Their 'stories being done' has nothing to do with their characters, but the writers.

 

[Drz]

Their 'stories being done' has nothing to do with their characters, but the writers.

Don't forget the sales. Wally and Kyle tanked. DC is doing better now with GL being about Hal, Sinestro, Carol among new characters, GLC now has Kyle and Stewart among Ganthet and others being the stars, and thanks to the overall success of GL for the past 5 years, they now have a 3rd title dedicated for Guy, Kilowog and so forth.

If Barry's Flash title is going to rock the pants off, i'm sure Johns can get some title for Wally so the Wally fans can have something.

 

[BrianWilly]

When did Wally or Kyle's sales tank?

 

[fifthfiend]

IIRC Wally's sales did take a nose dive right around the time they replaced Wally entirely with Bart, rapid-aged Bart, wrote him terribly, briefly brought Wally back and then cancelled him again.

 

[fifthfiend]

Just one'a them NATURAL CONCLUSIONS

 

[BrianWilly]

Well yeah, and I'm sure Kyle's sales dipped when his series sucked because they kept him in space and saddled him with stories that sucked and paid no attention to him 'cause they'd already decided to bring Hal back at that point anyway. Shoddy direction of a franchise does tend to lead to shoddy results.

 

[The Batman]

This thread is about posting YOUR opinions, not dissecting somebody elses. Its not necessarily a problem, but no ones actually posted their thoughts except me.

 

[The Batman]

Doesn't your opinion on Dick as Batman kind of conflict with your idea of Bruce and Clark being iconic characters that shouldn't be replaced? I also have to disagree heavily on the Kyle/Wally front and not because they were replaced, but because I don't think they've reached their 'natural conclusion' at all. They've been experienced for years now and were able to carry a title just fine. Their 'stories being done' has nothing to do with their characters, but the writers.

No, because nowhere in this thread did i say this. Plus, one of the reasons i like Dick as Batman is because Dick Grayson himself is an iconic character.

 

[Darthphere]

This thread is about posting YOUR opinions, not dissecting somebody elses. Its not necessarily a problem, but no ones actually posted their thoughts except me.

Because this is more fun.

*I dont blame DC for "going back to the Silver Age". Characters like Wally West and Kyle Rayner progressed to their natural conclusions. They were mainly interesting because we got to see them grow...and now that they're experienced, they're no longer interesting enough to carry a title by themselves. Hal and Barry are like Bruce and Clark in that you can probably tell more stories with them over a long period of time, not to mention their iconic status. Most replacements are just gimmicks, IMO.

*Speaking of Batman, Bruce getting replaced with Dick is the best thing that happened to Bruce....Batman and Superman suffer from the same problem: DC has stopped trying to write them as actual characters...if not for morrison and dini, i probably wouldnt be reading batbooks right now, and hopefully JMS puts Clark back on track

This is woefully ridiculous. So Kyle and Wally just "progressed to their natural conclusions" so lets bring the old guys that were either dead or well they were both technically dead. You know, the two guys that actually did "progress to their natural conclusions" by you know, dying.

Then you finish off that missive with "Most replacements are just gimmicks, IMO." And then go and talk how Dick replacing Bruce is like the best thing ever, even though that is an actual gimmick.

You made a mistake creating this thread.

 

[Watchman]

I think that Post Crisis Superman is the most overrated version of the character. "Man of Steel" was an overrated miniseries with great art, but it kickstarted a version of superman that has pretty much ruined the character. The continuity changes have lead to an endless mess of trying to change superman's history, and trying to make Supes more like a marvel character in general has a made him boring. IMO, its not surprising that the most critically acclaimed version of the character in the last decade is one that pretty much ignores much of the ideas started in post crisis. There were some good stories, but overall, not really a fan.

I agree with this. Less about the continuity because I could give a **** about that but more of that it made Superman and his world so boring. Superman and his world should be an amazing fun place filled with high concept ideas but instead Man of Steel drove it right into bland, uninspired bore fest. I can some it up in two words: Birthing Matrix

Calling the current DC "silver age" is an insult to the silver age.

Whenever I read an interview and Geoff Johns or whomever say that the stories won't be "lighty and brighty" my head blows up. This is my main problem with DC. They're like a teenager who takes himself very seriously but they are still a kid and very immature. The hyper dark, gory stories are not mature but laughable. Killing a family with Rock Bad is not serious, throwing up blood is not serious, turning Dr. Light into a rapist is not serious. It's just silly.

 

[fifthfiend]

This thread is about posting YOUR opinions, not dissecting somebody elses. Its not necessarily a problem, but no ones actually posted their thoughts except me.

None of my opinions are controversial because they're all unarguably correct.

Some people nonetheless insist on arguing with them but I can't be responsible for things that totally crazy people do.

 

[fifthfiend]

Shoddy direction of a franchise does tend to lead to shoddy results.

You seem to be making this point in a manner which indicates that you are under the impression that I was not making this point?

I could just be misreading.

 

[The Batman]

You made a mistake creating this thread.

The only part of your post I cared to read, and most likely, the only part of your post I agree with.

 

[fifthfiend]

TBH the thing with threads like this is that everybody already says pretty much whatever the **** they want in whatever ****ing thread as it is.

Like Brianwilly posts all the time about his horrifying views on how Teen Titans is good and that Supergirl doesn't irreparably damage the very fabric of your soul and Geoff Johns isn't the literal Antichrist leading humanity to its foretold annihilation in whatever thread where those horrifying opinions happen to be relevant, it's not like he needs a "here in this thread is where you should feel free to post your terrible opinions" thread to feel free to post his mindbogglingly terrible opinions. If basic human decency and reason aren't stopping him, then why should they stop you!





The other thing with threads like this is that there's already that Unpopular Opinions thread in Misc Comics which is already basically the same thing as this so anything that people would feel inclined to post in here has already probably been posted at some point in there.

 

[The Batman]

None of my opinions are controversial because they're all unarguably correct.

Normally, I'd think you were half joking, but I think I just realized why it was a bad idea to do this thread.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Would people prefer if I close this thread, then? I mean, I figured anything with the word "controversial" right in the title was going to foster plenty of arguments, but this has become a b****-fest even quicker than usual.

 

[The Batman]

TBH the thing with threads like this is that everybody already says pretty much whatever the **** they want in whatever ****ing thread as it is.

Like Brianwilly posts all the time about his horrifying views on how Teen Titans is good and that Supergirl doesn't irreparably damage the very fabric of your soul and Geoff Johns isn't the literal Antichrist leading humanity to its foretold annihilation in whatever thread where those horrifying opinions happen to be relevant, it's not like he needs a "here in this thread is where you should feel free to post your terrible opinions" thread to feel free to post his mindbogglingly terrible opinions. If basic human decency and reason aren't stopping him, then why should they stop you!





The other thing with threads like this is that there's already that Unpopular Opinions thread in Misc Comics which is already basically the same thing as this so anything that people would feel inclined to post in here has already probably been posted at some point in there.

So this thread is pretty much redundant....Should've figured as much.

 

[The Batman]

Would people prefer if I close this thread, then? I mean, I figured anything with the word "controversial" right in the title was going to foster plenty of arguments, but this has become a b****-fest even quicker than usual.

Do It. CBR was able to do this type of thread in a civil manner, but i shouldve realized that SHH is not CBR.