Corona and other diseases

[Schlosser85]

So just throw in the towel?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

CNN - Major incident declared after thousands flock to UK beaches in sweltering heat

 

[Lily Adler]

White House ordered NIH to cancel coronavirus research funding, Fauci says

So no vaccine from the US maybe?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

 

[BrollySupersj]

Gotta get drunk for the apocalypse.

I'm sure Greg Abbot is more than willing to let 100k Texans die before he considers a second shut down.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm sure Greg Abbot is more than willing to let 100k Texans die before he considers a second shut down.

Why rob us of God's beautiful breathing system?

Holy cow we added 6000 today?!?

 

[Lily Adler]

Parents are getting brainwashed by Fox News telling them that why we are seeing cases increase is because we're testing more... At least they didn't say we should stop testing then... yet.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[Lily Adler]

Yep those Dems sure politicized the crap out of it.

So I see someone claiming this is similar to the AIDs epidemic during Reagan... Great....

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

As always... It's the confident delusions of the responses from his supporters that truly scares me because his heart could explode Saturday morning and we as a society will still have to deal with the people that voted for this man and approved of his rhetoric, actions in office and policies for his entire first term.

 

[zeptron]

I usually try to avoid political talk, but I really think anyone that actually still supports Trump after how poorly he's handled this pandemic should really have their head examined.

Never in my entire adult life have I ever been so critical of a president. Not even W.Bush.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I usually try to avoid political talk, but I really think anyone that actually still supports Trump after how poorly he's handled this pandemic should really have their head examined.

Never in my entire adult life have I ever been so critical of a president. Not even W.Bush.

W. seemed he too was incompetent and not the brightest bulb. He had a deep fecklessness, a callow at best intellect... But you never got the sense of actual malice from him. Oh, he was a **** POTUS too overall and the extremism of defense from the GOP Media Insudtrial Complex that's SOP was more or less birthed during his time in office. But as a person, ignorant jackass that he was, there was a level of decency (Unearned cuz if W. COULD have deep self reflection while in office he'd see the questionable morality of a whole host of the policy that came out of the WH...) to Bush jr. The malicious intentions and corrupt practices seemed to be Dick Cheney's magisteria.

With Trump we have W.'s low capacity for good analysis and thought (WAAAAAAAAAAY worse...) combined with the viciousness and bold faced corruption of Cheney (Also... WAAAAAAAAY worse...) making for a dangerous combination.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Just watched an interview on BBC Breakfast TV where the Conservative Environment Secretary, George Eustice was questioned about the ridiculously crowded gathering on Bournemouth beach yesterday on one the hottest days in the UK so far.



He completely downplayed the significance of how utterly stupid everyone was to pack onto the beach like sardines, without anybody taking any health precautions. When he was pressed on closing beaches if it happened again?
He just waffled on about how catching Covid-19 was far less likely in an outdoor environment and it wouldn’t necessarily be a great idea to have beaches closed by the local authorities.

Thousands flock to south coast

 

[DOBSON10]

Disclaimer: I am NOT a Trump supporter or a Republican. It's a tight race between George W. Bush and Trump for worst President of All-Time and before this term is over I think Trump will run away with that title. He has mishandled this Pandemic at almost every turn.

That being said, I think it's very likely, bordering on almost certainty, that the protests have led to this spike in COVID cases. It was/is a worthy cause, I will never question that, but it was always an incredibly short sighted and stupid decision to protest in large gatherings of thousands of people during a Global Pandemic. It was pretty much inevitable. We're paying the price for it now.

Given the tension in this Country and the fact that protests are still happening and combining it with the other side of the coin, people gathering and not following social distancing/mask guidelines, which is even more idiotic, even as cases spike, I wonder how we are going to be able end this Pandemic. It just seems like a never ending vicious cycle is going to continue. 2020 is going to be a LONG year.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Disclaimer: I am NOT a Trump supporter or a Republican. It's a tight race between George W. Bush and Trump for worst President of All-Time and before this term is over I think Trump will run away with that title. He has mishandled this Pandemic at almost every turn.

That being said, I think it's very likely, bordering on almost certainty, that the protests have led to this spike in COVID cases. It was/is a worthy cause, I will never question that, but it was always an incredibly short sighted and stupid decision to protest in large gatherings of thousands of people during a Global Pandemic. It was pretty much inevitable. We're paying the price for it now.

Given the tension in this Country and the fact that protests are still happening, even as cases spike, I wonder how we are going to be able end this Pandemic. 2020 is going to be a LONG year.

You are a couple of days late.


So far, George Floyd protests are not behind surges in coronavirus


Black Lives Matter protests haven't led to COVID-19 spikes. It may be due to people staying home.


No Coronavirus Spike From Black Lives Matter Protests in Bay Area, Experts Say | KQED


It Doesn’t Look Like the Protests Are Causing a COVID-19 Spike


Does that mean no transmission of the virus can be laid at the feet of the nationwide/worldwide protests? No. That would be silly to think.

But as a New Yorker that saw both the protests and the looting up close and first hand (WAY more close than I would have liked in terms of the looting...) I can tell you that personally the protesters and the looters all were wearing PPE of some kind. And this was all outdoors too. Said precautions seemed to, so far, keep numbers down regarding how the protests/riots have spread Covid.

I understand the frustration. But the communities of color, and honestly all citizens regardless of background could not, perhaps especially because of the circumstances of the lockdown and the virus, let another unneccesary killing by the cops go. This was spontaneous and yet also inevitable.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

An informative read.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Cute... But I'm sorry it's **** like this which will make some go, "Uh-huh... But it's the people yelling about haircuts that are crazy?"

Just saying...

 

[Iceman]

There should be no difference as none of these should be political issues. Unfortunately with this Clown in Chief running the show, every little and last thing gets politicised.

 

[Iceman]

All is fine in Trumpworld. Nothing to see here.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There should be no difference as none of these should be political issues. Unfortunately with this Clown in Chief running the show, every little and last thing gets politicised.

That's a comforting thought. And it is true, he has been at the forefront of making everything political.

Still... He didn't start it. His supporters were primed by decades of bat**** crazy propaganda that was injected into the system long before the Internet was a gleam in Al Gore's eye.

Trump isn't giving these people anything new. The racism and xenophobia, the casual cruelty towards the less fortunate, the misogyny, the inchoate rage at enemies buth foreign and domestic, campaigning being no different than governing... This ain't new.

Sadly, in many ways Trump is just the greatest GOP cover band.

 

[Iceman]

That's a comforting thought. And it is true, he has been at the forefront of making everything political.

Still... He didn't start it. His supporters were primed by decades of bat**** crazy propaganda that was injected into the system long before the Internet was a gleam in Al Gore's eye.

Trump isn't giving these people anything new. The racism and xenophobia, the casual cruelty towards the less fortunate, the misogyny, the inchoate rage at enemies buth foreign and domestic, campaigning being no different than governing... This ain't new.

Sadly, in many ways Trump is just the greatest GOP cover band.

All true. I guess he’s just the loudest and most brazen and with the biggest outreach.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

An informative read.

Wow. Just wow...

 

[DOBSON10]

You are a couple of days late.


So far, George Floyd protests are not behind surges in coronavirus


Black Lives Matter protests haven't led to COVID-19 spikes. It may be due to people staying home.


No Coronavirus Spike From Black Lives Matter Protests in Bay Area, Experts Say | KQED


It Doesn’t Look Like the Protests Are Causing a COVID-19 Spike


Does that mean no transmission of the virus can be laid at the feet of the nationwide/worldwide protests? No. That would be silly to think.

But as a New Yorker that saw both the protests and the looting up close and first hand (WAY more close than I would have liked in terms of the looting...) I can tell you that personally the protesters and the looters all were wearing PPE of some kind. And this was all outdoors too. Said precautions seemed to, so far, keep numbers down regarding how the protests/riots have spread Covid.

I understand the frustration. But the communities of color, and honestly all citizens regardless of background could not, perhaps especially because of the circumstances of the lockdown and the virus, let another unneccesary killing by the cops go. This was spontaneous and yet also inevitable.

I was well aware of these types of articles and had just read one right before I posted here. And as weird as it may sound to come here for political talk, I actually came here because A. It seems to be a board with mostly like minded people in terms of politics. And when there is a differing opinion, it doesn't seem to be met with a ridiculous "shout down" that curtails any reasonable debate and discussion like Social Media does. B. Twitter, the other place I typically talk politics, has so many people talking, that most of my posts lead to no discussion because they get lost in the ether.

So yeah, I've read those articles. And I will not go as far as to use Trump's ridiculous calling card of "Fake News", because I do still believe that news companies at least try to report accurate information, even if, they have a bit of a biased agenda to report that evidence, on both sides. But, if you read these articles, they all basically say "We have encouraging studies that show that despite what you would expect from thousands of people gathering in groups across the Country, these places haven't seen an abnormally high increase in cases. However, this is anecdotal, incomplete evidence, consisting of other mitigating factors and thus, does not prove that protests haven't caused a spike in cases." They all also basically say "Look, protesting isn't a good idea right now, but luckily it hasn't caused a horrific increase of cases, yet.".

As you said, and I agree, thankfully most protesters and even rioters, have worn masks or some kind of PPE during these events. And do believe that that has made a significant difference in these protests not being the mass super spreader events they could have been otherwise. But I personally feel, that it's literally impossible for these protests to not have spread the virus and not at the very least, contributed to the spike in cases, which just coincidentally have started to rise as the window of showing symptoms starts to coincide with the start of the protests (I also realize places like Florida and Georgia re-opened sooner than most, and that is definitely are HUGE factor in those places seeing increases).

I live 20 minutes away from Detroit and was working Downtown during the week of protests, they literally had the first Downtown protest my 2nd day back at work from quarantine. I've been following all the COVID, protest and Political news very closely since late March. So, I can tell you that you can't use Detroit, the City, as the epicenter of a spike, since the majority of protesters are traveling from other parts of the State to protest in the Downtown area because it sends a stronger message and is easier to organize when using the largest and most popular Downtown area in the State. Same with most protests around the Country. Michigan is spiking again this week, despite having some of the strongest and longest lasting Stay-At-Home and mask wearing guidelines in the Country (Thankfully Governor Whitmer has done a mostly fantastic job fighting COVID once she gained her footing after the initial first hit). So I'm sorry, it's just not a coincidence IMO.

You also caught my post before I edited it a couple minutes later. Where I added that the increase in people ditching masks and other guidelines has not helped and with the two together (and re-openings as well), protests aren't the only reason cases are spiking. I do want to re-word my original thoughts here in this post, to say that, no, protests are not THE reason for the spike, but to claim they weren't dangerous and had no effect on the spike, is just wrong IMO. Once again also, I'm not blaming the cause, the protests were 100% justified in terms of the reasons why they wanted to hit the streets. Unfortunately the timing couldn't be more worse, right in the middle of one of the worst Global Pandemics in history. It's just not smart or safe to be protesting right now.