The Amazing Spider-Man Could SM4 Be the End

[Hectorminator]

The other thing to point out is that when the last two Batman films came out they didn't have any other comic book movie to compare with at the time. They didn't know how to make a good movie without worrying it wouldn't be mainstream.

The last year alone has given us Iron Man, The Dark Knight, The Incredible Hulk, even Watchmen.

If anybody involved with Spider-Man 4 needs to pay better attention it's the studios, it's Sony, it's the producers. And in these movies they have what a comic book movie is supposed to be.

So here's hoping they've been paying close attention.

(You just know Sam has and is itching to one-up some of these guys for the top spot)

 

[FaT_tONle]

I just don't see how there is anyway Raimi is going to recapture the magic of the first two films... almost no one ever does. I mean how is a 35 year old Tobey going to connect with the younger audience the same way? The whole hopeless romantic, nice guy getting the girl thing has played out. I don't think there is anything else they can do with that angle, and MJ is supppose to be the main love interest again? Throw in the fact that the best part of the series, the Osborn saga, is finished. And then you have the forced humor Raimi tries to slip in... from the apartment guy to Ursula... to Ted Raimi to the BRUTAL performance from the chick playing the Australian reporter at the end of SM3... to the dancing and emo Spidey... it's going to wear thin on people. There is only so much patience people can have with these wooden performances from the leads coupled with the stale, cheesy humor. Sure there will always be some redeeming aspects... but I think SM3 showed that the franchise is begging for a change, but Sony is too afraid to show any balls.

 

[venom892]

I was hoping for a change but alas...

 

[dark_b]

I just don't see how there is anyway Raimi is going to recapture the magic of the first two films... almost no one ever does. I mean how is a 35 year old Tobey going to connect with the younger audience the same way? The whole hopeless romantic, nice guy getting the girl thing has played out. I don't think there is anything else they can do with that angle, and MJ is supppose to be the main love interest again? Throw in the fact that the best part of the series, the Osborn saga, is finished. And then you have the forced humor Raimi tries to slip in... from the apartment guy to Ursula... to Ted Raimi to the BRUTAL performance from the chick playing the Australian reporter at the end of SM3... to the dancing and emo Spidey... it's going to wear thin on people. There is only so much patience people can have with these wooden performances from the leads coupled with the stale, cheesy humor. Sure there will always be some redeeming aspects... but I think SM3 showed that the franchise is begging for a change, but Sony is too afraid to show any balls.

ohhhhhhh there will be more.

more crying! dont make me post the ''worst crying in movie'' gif

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

And some people did like SM3.

Exactly! I really don't understand why when someone says "Spider-Man 3 was good", that person gets asked questions like "How can you like such a bad film?", etc. It just gets me mad.

 

[RoboAmish]

I never really thought about it that way. I thought that surely the only way for the SM franchise from here was up.
I'd like to think Raimi has learned from his mistakes and won't be pushed around as easily this time around. He cant be blind to the backlash from the fanboy fanbase over his mishandling of the last film so hopefully he'll stand up and take some constructive criticisms on board

Of course, that's a largely positive way of looking at things; the fourth film could spiral off in the completely opposite direction too

 

[The Batman]

I just don't see how there is anyway Raimi is going to recapture the magic of the first two films... almost no one ever does. I mean how is a 35 year old Tobey going to connect with the younger audience the same way? The whole hopeless romantic, nice guy getting the girl thing has played out. I don't think there is anything else they can do with that angle, and MJ is supppose to be the main love interest again? Throw in the fact that the best part of the series, the Osborn saga, is finished. And then you have the forced humor Raimi tries to slip in... from the apartment guy to Ursula... to Ted Raimi to the BRUTAL performance from the chick playing the Australian reporter at the end of SM3... to the dancing and emo Spidey... it's going to wear thin on people. There is only so much patience people can have with these wooden performances from the leads coupled with the stale, cheesy humor. Sure there will always be some redeeming aspects... but I think SM3 showed that the franchise is begging for a change, but Sony is too afraid to show any balls.

QFT....fanboys often dont realize that directors can't always sustain quality...SM4 has a lot going against it with raimi and the old crew back at the helm, with peter and mj already being a couple, with 35 year old tobey, and with the osborn storyline over

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm willing to give Raimi another shot at this. I'm not going to be up in arms about this just because SM3 wasn't on par with the first two. If SM4 is a dissappointment, then they should look at something else. I think the next movie can be just as good as the first one.

 

[webhead731]

Exactly! I really don't understand why when someone says "Spider-Man 3 was good", that person gets asked questions like "How can you like such a bad film?", etc. It just gets me mad.

I know! It's just ******ed. I don't mind their opinion on the film (unless their hate is based on something utterly stupid misguided BS), it's the fact no one can enjoy discussing it fully.

I say something positive about the movie online, someone has to hate. That's what pisses me off. You can't have a healthy discussion with out some ass intercepting your post. You hate the movie? Go away. It's that simple. There is absolutely no reason for trolling. SHH isn't so bad, Youtube is meh, but IMDB is just awful. That place is negative to the extreme. I've tried reasoning with the four trolls, but its no use. There are some good people there however.
In my life, all my friends liked it. So joyful happy discussions with them is great. I remember when Spider-Man 3 just came out, we'd be at the lunch table talking about it. Funny parts especially. lol. Even one time with my friend...she said something about how this food tasted fruity, and I imitated Harry with "strawberries!" and we laughed. Good times.

Can't do that online though huh!

QFT....fanboys often dont realize that directors can't always sustain quality...SM4 has a lot going against it with raimi and the old crew back at the helm, with peter and mj already being a couple, with 35 year old tobey, and with the osborn storyline over

People should have known better than to have expected Spider-Man 3 to be BETTER than Spider-Man 2. I mean really. That's what pissed so many people off because it wasn't AS good. Not every movie can be AS good as something previous, let alone better. Mainly when we have a movie that is by many reguarded as the best superhero movie ever. How do you top that? Well, you make Spider-Man 2...again...only with a "3" on it. Fans can say "I hated this part and would have taken it out!" but the truth is you aren't in that position and you can't do it. No movie, ever in my life, has turned out EXACTLY how I wanted it. Not even the Spider-Man films. But I don't overreact at it.

Personally, I like all the Spidey movies the same, all in their own way. They are a big story but are also separated with their themes and characters.

 

[LightningFlash]

The only people that will say Spider-Man 4 WON'T be the end are pretty much Spidey fans that still want to see Spidey on the big screen.

I do think Spider-Man lost 75% of its "mojo" because of its third installment, but that's my opinion.

Instead of saying anything about it, which I've learned my lesson to not say my opinion because fanboys will flame you over it, I'm just saying I won't be watching it and that's it.

But I do wish Spidey goes back to Marvel. I would actually like to see a younger and more agile Spidey in a future Avenger-related film. Ala TSSM, THAT'S how Spidey should be, skinny and agile, and LOOKS like he's just a scrawny kid...but also, no fat, as Tobey was getting in the third one.

 

[Crook]

People should have known better than to have expected Spider-Man 3 to be BETTER than Spider-Man 2. I mean really. That's what pissed so many people off because it wasn't AS good. Not every movie can be AS good as something previous, let alone better.

I'd just like to chime in here, because I completely disagree with this statement. I went into SM3 expecting something good. The first 2 set a certain "standard", so yes, I do expect similar quality. But I didn't expect to witness a miracle of cinema. When I come out thinking it was a disappointment or confused about what I just saw, it has nothing to do with having overly high expectation.

Mainly when we have a movie that is by many reguarded as the best superhero movie ever. How do you top that?

Remember when Batman Begins came out? Then flash-forward 3 years and TDK came out?

Remember when Godfather came out? Then 2 years later when Godfather II came out?

Remember when Star Wars came out? Then 3 years later Empire Strikes Back came out?

It's more than possible to overthrow a genre-topping movie. Even if it doesn't manage to do it, at least be on par with the material released beforehand. Otherwise, what is the point of making that movie?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

We know nothing about this move. How can we even discuss what reaction it will have?

 

[LightningFlash]

Remember when Godfather came out? Then 2 years later when Godfather II came out?

Remember when Star Wars came out? Then 3 years later Empire Strikes Back came out?

Those aren't good examples, BECAUSE....such as Spider-Man 3, there happened to be a Godfather 3 and Return of the Jedi, which were not as good as Godfather 2 or Empire Strikes Back.

 

[Crook]

Those aren't good examples, BECAUSE....such as Spider-Man 3, there happened to be a Godfather 3 and Return of the Jedi, which were not as good as Godfather 2 or Empire Strikes Back.

The statement wasn't about 3rd films. It was about sequels to genre-defining movies. My examples are relevant to that notion.

 

[webhead731]

Those are all number 2's.

I see what you thought I meant. I'm aware that Spider-Man 2 was larger than Spider-Man, and Empire Strikes Back was larger than A New Hope. To the general public, Spider-Man doesn't seem to be "OMFG BEST MOVIE EVER", nor did Batman Begins. Their seconds topped their firsts. Doing that a third time is very difficult. Personally, I don't even think Batman Begins should be considered one of the best of all time, like it is by fans here. But that's just me. Also, on a side note, I never really heard of Empire Strikes Back being the best of the series. I always loved Return of the Jedi the best.

Anywho, as for the other part of your post, Crook, I didn't say EVERYBODY had ridiculously high expectations. But face it, alot of people did. It sounds like you went in there feeling the same way I did. I went in expecting a great movie, but I wasn't holding it to "it's going to be the best movie in history and perfect" or anything. I wasn't OVER the line with expectations. I wanted a good third installment.
We came out feeling differently, because I liked it alot.

 

[topdog1]

I personally liked spiderman 3 and I can't wait for another one. To several fans he "ruined" 1 out of the 3 movies, so we should just wait and see how the 4th one is before any reboot talk.

Yeah, Spider-Man 3 may have had some problems but it's still a better film then any Batman or Superman film prior to Batman Begins.

Spider-Man = 8/10
Spider-Man 2 = 10/10
Spider-Man 3 = 7/10

Raimi has delivered a great trilogy with SM2 standing as one of the greatest films of the genre. SM3 was a problem only because they forced Raimi to hammer Venom in to the story. They got too ambitious. He had already tapped Ben Kingsley as the Vulture. They scrapped the whole story to give us the symbiote and Venom. Clearly, that last minute jam job was too much to deliver. Still, some great action sequences helped save SM3.

The plot was sloppy because they needed to take shortcuts at every turn. Too many characters and too many storylines to deliver in a film under four hours long. Leave Raimi alone to direct/produce the next film and don't jam anything in last minute.

In any case, if Sony would ever be dumb enough to let the rights lapse, Marvel would make more Spider-Man films in a heartbeat. Spider-Man 10 will be here before you know it.

 

[LightningFlash]

The statement wasn't about 3rd films. It was about sequels to genre-defining movies. My examples are relevant to that notion.

But also, to the point that the third movie made Spider-Man go downhill is what I was stating. Every third movie does that; and it's hard to name ONE third movie that was as good or better than the second film. So, yes, Spider-Man 4 COULD have a chance to be better, because it seems that every third movie suffers disappointment.

I'm agreeing with you, that the fourth movie could end up being better, and it's not really a long-shot to be better than Spider-Man 3, lol.

 

[LightningFlash]

In any case, if Sony would ever be dumb enough to let the rights lapse, Marvel would make more Spider-Man films in a heartbeat. Spider-Man 10 will be here before you know it.

Honestly, I hope Marvel's own independent studios reboots Spider-Man. I want to see a younger Peter that's still in high school.

 

[Venom75]

It had it's flaws,but I really liked Spidey 3. It's like I've always said though,it was good but it's could've been so much better.

Anyway,sometimes as a series goes on with the same people,those people can lose their focus and get tired with the material,and become sloppy. Perhaps that's what happened with Spidey 3? I do worry about that with the 4th film. Maybe new blood coming into the franchise wouldn't be so bad? Although,I will say that Spider-man 3 did get alot of(unwanted)negative reaction and I'm betting Raimi and Sony noticed it,so I wouldn't bet against Spider-man 4 being an awesome film.

 

[storyteller]

Most movie sequels tend to not be a true sequel. The movie either has a new cast/director. Batman is a keen example. Forever and Batman and robin may as well be their own movies. Superman while it had reeves was just a mess in the directors department.

 

[JaD]

Spider-Man = 8/10
Spider-Man 2 = 10/10
Spider-Man 3 = 7/10

The plot was sloppy because they needed to take shortcuts at every turn. Too many characters and too many storylines to deliver in a film under four hours long. Leave Raimi alone to direct/produce the next film and don't jam anything in last minute.

This is what it basically comes down to. I think the studio would be blind to not be able to see that the next film has the potential of being great if they do that. It's what I'm hoping for, and I think they're aware of their mistake. History ain't always gotta repeat itself (regarding the 4th film theory)

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I know! It's just ******ed. I don't mind their opinion on the film (unless their hate is based on something utterly stupid misguided BS), it's the fact no one can enjoy discussing it fully.

Very true.

 

[Episode29]

I hope its a fitting end to the Raimi/Maguire series. Let the next films start something new.

I still remember walking out of SM3 shaking my head and muttering "That's how its gonna end?"

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I know! It's just ******ed. I don't mind their opinion on the film (unless their hate is based on something utterly stupid misguided BS), it's the fact no one can enjoy discussing it fully.

I say something positive about the movie online, someone has to hate. That's what pisses me off. You can't have a healthy discussion with out some ass intercepting your post. You hate the movie? Go away. It's that simple. There is absolutely no reason for trolling. SHH isn't so bad, Youtube is meh, but IMDB is just awful. That place is negative to the extreme. I've tried reasoning with the four trolls, but its no use. There are some good people there however.

im on there too, and i am endlessly defending S-M3. but..it's no use...

 

[webhead731]

Eh. Which name are you? I see four asses and a bunch of good people.