The Amazing Spider-Man Could SM4 Be the End

[LightningFlash]

Of course it will be an upgrade.

The Dark Knight had set a standard for comic-book adaptations, and others will try to raise the bar even higher; or so that's how it should happen at least.

And I like your signature, because I am sure a lot of people have a dream to direct or write for a movie or two; like me, I have a dream to do a Spider-Man reboot because I have had this six episodic-type films for the character for a while now.

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Wont happen, tobey got 50 mill for both films. So its def for spiderman 4 and 5. You have to realize that kids love spiderman. Heck even if you use barney as the villian for the 4th film kids with thier parents and other family members will ticket in to see it. They are the reason as to why the spiderman series made it so big.[/B]

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

lmao! ^

Batman Forever is...well I like it enough to own it on DVD. It has its moments, but it does suck in alot of areas. It's fun to watch, Jim Carrey is not really a good Riddler, but he was funny. I like Jim, so that's what made me like Batman Forever for the most part. But I watched it on DVD the other night, it's just a funny movie. Not what Batman should be, but it's funny.

Love the I trust in sam raimi for spiderman 4 tag line. If you ever get to meet him you will realize that he really cares about the characters and the fans. Just wasnt his fault for the storyline flaws but, I am sure that everyone knows now that he has full creative control for the 4th film.

 

[webhead731]

I want to meet him really bad. xD

 

[Spider-Fan]

Of course it will be an upgrade.

The Dark Knight had set a standard for comic-book adaptations, and others will try to raise the bar even higher; or so that's how it should happen at least.

And I like your signature, because I am sure a lot of people have a dream to direct or write for a movie or two; like me, I have a dream to do a Spider-Man reboot because I have had this six episodic-type films for the character for a while now.

Thanks man

I think it is about having an idea for it. While Spider-Man is my favorite comic character of all-time, I would be hesitant to make a film for him. Cause I have no idea for one. FF and Superman are to franchises I feel I have great ideas for (I have a FF trilogy and 2 potential Superman trilogies plotted out on paper/my mind). Plus, I'm opting to go to film school in the fall, so perhaps one day, I'll be in position to try and get one of those made (if all goes well for me)

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

I want to meet him really bad. xD

Well, I told my agency that when the fourth film starts filming that I want in again. All I heard is that principal photography will be starting very soon or it probably did already. If I get a heads up of where it will be filming, I will let everyone know but, I cant inform anyone on anything that is being filmed cause sony and co do have people that come on boards to check to see who is saying what. Bad news is that I get informed of place and time a day or two before but, if you come around set look for a blue tent which is where sam raimi is with the directors chairs. He loves meeting the fans and when they take breaks he comes out to take pictures and stuff. If your also an actor as well make sure you bring your head shots and comp cards with you to give to him.

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Thanks man

I think it is about having an idea for it. While Spider-Man is my favorite comic character of all-time, I would be hesitant to make a film for him. Cause I have no idea for one. FF and Superman are to franchises I feel I have great ideas for (I have a FF trilogy and 2 potential Superman trilogies plotted out on paper/my mind). Plus, I'm opting to go to film school in the fall, so perhaps one day, I'll be in position to try and get one of those made (if all goes well for me)

I see what you mean and good luck with the film school and def go for it, dont let anyone stop you !

I wish I could write scripts for hollywood but, I am only familiar with a few characters like spider-man and batman. If they were to ask me to write a script for a character that I didnt know of then I wouldnt want to cheat the fans. I would do what jon favereu did and interact with the fans about what they would want to see and wouldnt. I would try as best as I can to stay faithful to the comics as well and the costumes. So far raimi has done an excellent job in that area. The only things that I didnt like about his ideas, was that half of it was based off of james camersons script. In fact if you start reading it, you will see how alot of it is alike with the first film.

I would have stuck with the organic web shooters but at least built a web shooter to shoot different angles or length of strains from the web. The main reason as to why peter got a job at the bugle was to make money to buy chemicals to make web fluids. It also shows how smart peter is which we only got a glimpse of in the films. Whats also missing is his sarcastic remarks that drives the villians insane ! It never really happens in the films.

Sam really has the potential to make a great film and even admitting to the faults but it was more on the producers and sonys hands. When I saw on set for the first time that topher grace was wearing a daily bugle badge with eddie brock on it, I freaked up and the damn morons from Aint-it-cool-news.com stole my picture that I took offsite and gave credit to some quint person on there. In my mind I was thinking, Awesome ! Venom ! Sam can use his evil dead techniques and scare the crap out of us. Man, was I dissapointed. I was more happy with the evil dead reference doc ock scene which I think was really brutal. I know some kids that fast foward that scene because its too intense for them which I am very happy about because it means that it worked. If sam wanted to and was given the right moment, understanding, and time of the character then it would have been really frightening. I would be pissed too if I was done with a script and the producers told me to change the villian and bring a character into the story that makes no sense to begin with since it would confuse the fans. I just think that he isnt the type of director to get pissy with them and say I dont agree with this and I dont want to do it. Instead the poor guy got the blame from fans because the third film wasnt that great yet truth behold it now out officially from his mouth.

Even though things are screwed up with gwen in the mix, I think sam will continue the story with the classic villians. As much as some fans want venom and carnage, it wont happen especially since he has full creative control now. Maybe it will be saved for the spin off venom film but it will be with a different actor because I remember topher saying at the spider-man 3 premiere that he would return for a sequel but never a spin off. He did tease of the sinister six, then again it may be time for the lizard and that also means kraven the hunter. Since sony wanted mickey rourke to play a villian, he is the only actor that would be perfect for kraven. So I think that sony dropped the bomb on that one. We will soon find out and I will def trust in raimi for spiderman 4 and look foward to spiderman week in nyc if it happens again. Makes sense since the musical will be out in the same year. If you havent heard yet, carnage is one of the villians for the musical so at least we will see carnage somewhere lol.

 

[LightningFlash]

Thanks man

I think it is about having an idea for it. While Spider-Man is my favorite comic character of all-time, I would be hesitant to make a film for him. Cause I have no idea for one. FF and Superman are to franchises I feel I have great ideas for (I have a FF trilogy and 2 potential Superman trilogies plotted out on paper/my mind). Plus, I'm opting to go to film school in the fall, so perhaps one day, I'll be in position to try and get one of those made (if all goes well for me)

Well all the best luck to you. To me, the "Hollywood" business is the hardest; I am writing a book and also in college taking courses for screenwriting and filming and would love to use my ideas for Spider-Man, but I would also wish my book to become a movie as well, because it also deals with my own created superhero.

But, if you don't mind, do you think you could PM me with some of your Superman ideas? Because I say you should work on the Superman idea first; we NEED a good Superman film; after Smallville and Superman Returns, we need to bring Supes back up to the #1 superhero rank after such horrible renditions.

 

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Well all the best luck to you. To me, the "Hollywood" business is the hardest; I am writing a book and also in college taking courses for screenwriting and filming and would love to use my ideas for Spider-Man, but I would also wish my book to become a movie as well, because it also deals with my own created superhero.

But, if you don't mind, do you think you could PM me with some of your Superman ideas? Because I say you should work on the Superman idea first; we NEED a good Superman film; after Smallville and Superman Returns, we need to bring Supes back up to the #1 superhero rank after such horrible renditions.

See the problem with the recent superman films is that you dont have a good villian to face superman. Its been lex luthor since the first film for the exception of the third film. You need a villian that will actually give a challenge to superman and we need to see superman use his super powers. Not the save the damsel in distress or people from danger routine.

You want superman to be popular again make a superman doomsday movie. Screw the origins because we have all seen it plenty of times and forget a remake. Start it off like punisher war zone did and give a brief glimpse of his past like as if superman has already exsisted. The death of superman plus a character like doomsday in the mix you know ALOT of fans will line up to see that one. The ratings for smallville's doomsday episode sky rocketed for a reason.

 

[Adrian89]

Has anybody else noticed, that when a series has an "ok" or "bad" 3rd film, the 4th one tends to be a lot worse, and ends up killing the Franchise for years to come.

Examples:

Alien: 1st 2 were some of the best movies ever made, 3rd one sucked, 4th one killed the series. (AVP does not count)

Superman: 1st 2 were great, 3rd one sucked, 4th one sucked a lot, franchise ends for nearly 20 years.

Batman: 1st 2 were great (not best), 3rd one was corny, but still ok (like Sm3), and 4th one killed it for about 8 years.

I could go on and on, but maybe they should just stop while they are ahead, and later on, if anybody wants to, start a reboot.

Just my opinion, what do you guys think?

Hmm.. I don't think it will be the case here, if the SM Crew learned from their mistakes.

But something tells me they will continue making the 5th and 6 no matter what. You know, it's all about the money..

 

[LightningFlash]

One can only hope that people would start to make movies for the passion and not the fame BEFORE the world ends, haha.

 

[Troy_Parker]

No i dont want SM4 to be the end, i want 3127328913792173891273 Spider-Man movies.

 

[Spider-Man '92]

I say give them a shot, and if they screw up, atleast it gives me more time to get into Hollywood with my vision of a Spidey franchise, and get it to the screens.

 

[Panthro]

Spider-Man 4 will only be the end if it is a box office flop of epic/biblical/Batman & Robin proportions. As it's all about the money, they'll keep churning out Spider-Man films as long as they turn in strong box office performances. If the next one doesn't do well, then they'll probably take a break from it for a few years then consider starting over.


On the Superman subject, even though that's off topic, it's funny, Superman is one of the best known characters out there, and yet he does not seem to be as outrightly popular as Batman, Spider-Man or Wolverine. I don't think that's solely because his films have primarily pit him against Lex Luthor, but more that he needs something that wows the audience instead of dividing the audience the way 'Returns' did.

 

[sauronthegreat]

I think the only problem Spider-Man franchise faces is the lack of one big villain. Spider-Man doesn't have his own Magneto, Megatron, Joker or even Mandarin (as he will be build to his appearance in the third, and maybe final film).
One of Spider-Man's greatest, or most notable/popular villains are already used and killed. Norman Osborn dead, Octopus dead for sure, Venom maybe not as dead as Octopus, but he cannot be Spider-Man's arch nemesis, as could Osborn. Even Octopus in the films wasn't that character he really is, the Master Planner, the criminal mastermind... so we'll pass on Octopus.
I think this franchise, if it is to continue, needs an arch nemesis, something like Tombstone is to 'Spectacular Spider-Man' or Green Goblin. All the more... the most popular characters are already used.. there are some interesting ones still, but do they posses a substance to even be compared to Green Goblin, Octopus or even Venom.

 

[snakeinthegear]

The problem with the spider-man movies is, that we're not really getting spider-man. Raimi keeps mentioning humanising the character but what he doesn't seem to understand is, spider-man has always been humanised. He is surrounded by circumstances that always have an impact to some extent on his own personal life. It would have been great to see an emphasis on spider-man being misunderstood. It would be great for Jameson to bring comic relief but balanced out to the point where you could believe he's that angr and bitter enough to create his own illain to take down spidey. Peter Parker needs to grow as a person. The social awkwardness he's been hindered with in all 3 movies is just ridiculous and there aren't any well placed smart retorts and quips, which the haracter is known for. Addditionally, spider-man's skills/powers need to be creatively explored and to realy wow the audience.

 

[Metal Spidey]

The problem with the spider-man movies is, that we're not really getting spider-man. Raimi keeps mentioning humanising the character but what he doesn't seem to understand is, spider-man has always been humanised. He is surrounded by circumstances that always have an impact to some extent on his own personal life. It would have been great to see an emphasis on spider-man being misunderstood. It would be great for Jameson to bring comic relief but balanced out to the point where you could believe he's that angr and bitter enough to create his own illain to take down spidey. Peter Parker needs to grow as a person. The social awkwardness he's been hindered with in all 3 movies is just ridiculous and there aren't any well placed smart retorts and quips, which the haracter is known for. Addditionally, spider-man's skills/powers need to be creatively explored and to realy wow the audience.

I agree with everything you just said albeit you made a few spelling errors. I want a Spider-Man that antagonizing his enemy and makes witty one-liners. I also want them to add some new moves to his inventory. Even if it's something Spidey has never done before.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

^Like impact webbing (web bullets/balls), "cocoon" webbing (sticky webs that wrap around enemies), or web nets. I don't know. Something new, refreshing, and creative web attacks.

 

[SpeterMan3]

No i dont want SM4 to be the end, i want 3127328913792173891273 Spider-Man movies.

Plus one.

 

[mjbull23]

SM4 won't be the end, and I couldn't be happier.

We'll be getting two more Spidey flicks. Part 6 is perhaps up in the air at this point, but I'm certain they will go four and then five on us.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

One can only hope that people would start to make movies for the passion and not the fame BEFORE the world ends, haha.

Sam's making these films for the passion. He's proven it already.

 

[bulletbillx]

Very true! IMO, Spider-Man 3 is really superior to Batman Forever. I mean, if you think about it, Batman Forever had more flaws. However, it wasn't a bad film.

Batman forever and spidey 3 are both flawed IMO and both need a directors/extended cut to bring out the hidden potential since there is a good movie underneath and the deleted and alternate scenes/reordering could make it even better.

 

[bulletbillx]

I agree with everything you just said albeit you made a few spelling errors. I want a Spider-Man that antagonizing his enemy and makes witty one-liners. I also want them to add some new moves to his inventory. Even if it's something Spidey has never done before.

I do as well. Even when Parker was an awkward nerd he got funny and quipped as spider-man as a defense mechanism so it should have been in the movies from day 1.

 

[Hectorminator]

^Like impact webbing (web bullets/balls), "cocoon" webbing (sticky webs that wrap around enemies), or web nets. I don't know. Something new, refreshing, and creative web attacks.

Impact webbing was in the second one, used against bank robbers, and the third one, used against "New Goblin" in the first fight of the movie.

And honestly, new webbing tricks are kinda dumb to me. It doesn't make sense that he has organic web, shooting only out of his wrists, but can somehow shape them into different stuff, or make it thicker or thinner. They tried to explain this gimmick in the comics by saying stuff like Peter would triple-tap his web-shooter button, or use a different web formula, or something. But how do you explain it in the movie universe where he makes the web already.

Impact webbing is enough. Spider-Man was never about the gadgets, leave that stuff to Batman and Ironman. Next people will want to see the "spider-signal" or "spider-tracers." Why not the "spider-mobile?" Lame.

 

[Hectorminator]

I think the only problem Spider-Man franchise faces is the lack of one big villain. Spider-Man doesn't have his own Magneto, Megatron, Joker or even Mandarin (as he will be build to his appearance in the third, and maybe final film).
One of Spider-Man's greatest, or most notable/popular villains are already used and killed. Norman Osborn dead, Octopus dead for sure, Venom maybe not as dead as Octopus, but he cannot be Spider-Man's arch nemesis, as could Osborn. Even Octopus in the films wasn't that character he really is, the Master Planner, the criminal mastermind... so we'll pass on Octopus.
I think this franchise, if it is to continue, needs an arch nemesis, something like Tombstone is to 'Spectacular Spider-Man' or Green Goblin. All the more... the most popular characters are already used.. there are some interesting ones still, but do they posses a substance to even be compared to Green Goblin, Octopus or even Venom.

Yep.

This is why they need to bring back Norman Osborn and say he faked his death and went underground in Europe for the past few years (just like he did in the comics, after he was impaled by his glider.) He needs to come back and be the master planner, the criminal mastermind, the reason everything has been going bad for Peter. He sabotaged Octavius' project, not to create "Doctor Octopus", but to make sure his son hit rock bottom and follow in his footsteps to become the Green Goblin. And Osborn could be the reason for even more conspiracy-type stuff.

Sony plans on doing at least three more Spider-Man movies, so what better way to set up the Sinister Six for Spider-Man 6 than to have Norman Osborn slowly put it all together as part of his plan? Which means he takes a back seat in the next two as a Lex Luthor-type of businessman. Then goes full-on Goblin in part six.