Could X3 Be Wolverine's "Last Stand"?

[night0205]

About the rebooting...
To tell you the truth, Fantastic Four doesn't need a reboot, what it needs is a well written story and a talented director. Think of the 4 actors they got, besides Alba, they can hold there own, they just need to be actually DIRECTED. The Thing is a big complaint, they could do CGI, and it would could work pretty well in this age of technology. A proper protrayal of Doom is what would make a good Fantastic Four movie. Dr. Doom is one of the greatest villians, he just needs to be protrayed correctly.
And NO way they should reboot X-MEN? X-men is what has made Marvel the way it is today, X-men is Fox's only redeeming francise both financially and otherwise. X-men is a well made series, believe it or not, all of them have had pretty talented directors behind them. Any Director who can go up against Fox and come out with a pretty good movie, gets my respect.
I could see a Reboot of Daredevil, which could be good.
I personally think we should leave Blade where he is, and move on to other characters. But you gotta respect the francise that started the main leap of faith.
Punisher will probably get another reboot...and I don't know what to think about that.
Ghost Rider, doesn't need a reboot, idk if it needs to be made anymore, but if you do a sequal you better make it a little more satisfying.
A lot of Characters shouldn't get their own movie in my opinion, and I don't think that many will, like I don't think Nick Fury or Ant Man will come out, but who knows :/
As long as Marvel makes their movies with the quality of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk, I think things will turn out really well.
But don't make a movie unless you got a good story, period.

 

[Deadcool]

I just have a feeling that given how badly The Last Stand was put together, (lol that was just an extremely corny ass movie) it still saw a fairly huge amount of support and success...I think that sends mixed signals for future reference when pushin for new X-films, including Wolverine.

I think it's gonna be hard for future X-movies to steer away from that cliche and corny ass vibe for a while.

But then again, Singer and Chris Nolan set the bar pretty high with their interpretations of comic book characters. Those are just two good directors/screenplay writers. They, for the most part will make good movies no matter how much you dislike the tone they may set. They're just good at what they do. You take that into consideration, with the fact that maybe only a few good movies actually come out per year in general....all in all, there's only so much you can blame on past movies like 'The Last Stand.' I mean If Wolverine had a great team when creating this movie, the movie would be great. No matter how bad The Last Stand was.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

My favorite character in the entire X-Men universe is in this film, yet I don't feel an ounce of excitment. No way i'm watching it in cinemas at all.

And it's not because of X3 or anything. I just never wanted a Wolverine film. Though in the end I think X3 does have a role in that.

 

[Nathan]

For me all 3 Movies play a role. We were already exposed to Wolverine 3 times, I didn't feel like watching a 4th Movie with him. So from the beginning I had no real interest in the Movie. But if it would've had a good story, I would've given it a shot. It doesn't look like the finished Movie will deliver, so I take a pass.

 

[Downhere]

And saying that it will have no effect and that every non-fan who saw X3 will automatically go see this movie because they don't hold grudges was wrong. You just said that my examples of people that I know was wrong yet you just gave examples of opinions from people you know so you think that is correct

I provided examples that non fans have formed an opinion about this movie because of the last movie which fed into my example.

I never said people didn't enjoy it so lets not start making straw men arguments.

What I was trying to convey, was that not all casual fans of the X-Men franchise hated X3, which is what most of your posts seem to state. I was just trying to show that the opposite was the case when I spoke to my friends who aren't hardcore X-Men fans. While I am not the biggest fan of X3, I have many complaints about it, there are those who thought it was good.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

honey, you also have to understand ALOT of people did not see he leak. Not everyone 1) got to it in time, 2) wanted to look at it 3) even new there was a leak

people have to realize that the online community who knew about the leak, and found and watched is pretty small compared to those who didn't.

A lot of people weren't aware of the shennanigans with X3's production yet that film dropped 67% after its opening weekend. Thanks to the mainstream media picking up the story of the Wolverine leak and the fans reaction to it, far more non-messageboard people know about the problems with it.

P.S. I'm probably far too old to be your honey but thanks for the sentiment. t:

 

[danoyse]

Let's stay away from the name-calling, everyone.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

A lot of people weren't aware of the shennanigans with X3's production yet that film dropped 67% after its opening weekend. Thanks to the mainstream media picking up the story of the Wolverine leak and the fans reaction to it, far more non-messageboard people know about the problems with it.

P.S. I'm probably far too old to be your honey but thanks for the sentiment. t:

1) the media picked it up, but not in full force, we've already been over this and how suprised some where that many people still don't know there was a leak out side of the media forum users.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Let's stay away from the name-calling, everyone.

honey is name calling?

 

[danoyse]

honey is name calling?

It's certainly condescending. Let's not do it, shall we?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It's certainly condescending. Let's not do it, shall we?

wow, im sorry, and i'm not going to argue, im genuinely asking this. But i call many of my girl friends honey. It's also a very popular thing and affectionate name to call people in the south. If she was offended im very sorry. But i mean come on. I was called "grasshopper" literally condescending me all the time on the hype for years. But i can't use a term of endearment?

 

[danoyse]

It's completely unnecessary to call anyone here 'honey'. Considering the amount of ridiculous arguing going on in this forum, it's only going to be taken as an insult anyway.

Let's get back on topic, everyone.

 

[Celestial]

Alternatively, the general public is now aware that the Wolverine movie is so eagerly anticipated that fans can't even wait the month until it's released. The mainstream press have been covering the piracy issues not the buzz about the movie and the extra publicity should help the international box office.

Wolverine will have a large second week drop, just like X1 and X2. It has Star Trek on its heels, just as X2 had The Matrix Reloaded.

My memory of X3 is that in the lead up, everybody expected to loathe it but the end result was better than expected. So there were a few weeks when people were able to see it and enjoy. Of course there were some who still loathed it, but for many of us, it was an X-Men film and a fun way to spend a few hours. Of course, not as good as the first two, but still better than The Hulk, FF, DD etc.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A lot of people weren't aware of the shennanigans with X3's production yet that film dropped 67% after its opening weekend. Thanks to the mainstream media picking up the story of the Wolverine leak and the fans reaction to it, far more non-messageboard people know about the problems with it.

P.S. I'm probably far too old to be your honey but thanks for the sentiment. t:

It had a huge drop off because it had an extended weekend, and broke records for said weekend upon opening.

 

[King K]

X3 never even crossed my mind when I first heard about this movie. I don't think the average movie goer will either. This new movie should do well in the BO like every XMEN film has in the past.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

spideyboy_1111 and danoyse

Just for the record, I'm not offended. At my age it's flattering.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

spideyboy_1111 and danoyse

Just for the record, I'm not offended. At my age it's flattering.

aww well thank you , see for me "honey" has always been a term of endearment. glad you're at least cool with me

 

[danoyse]

spideyboy_1111 and danoyse

Just for the record, I'm not offended. At my age it's flattering.

Just watching out for everyone.

 

[X-Maniac]

To answer the question in this thread, the public viewer won't care less about X3 by now. Most normal people have full lives worrying about their jobs, their partners. their kids, their finances, getting to the supermarket, getting to nursery on time to collect their kids, etc....

The critics will use X3 as a reference point though. As will some of the specialist movie writers. Just wait for the write-ups that say 'After the disaster that was Brett Ratner's X-Men: The Last Stand....'

And some of the fanboys/fangirls on here are in a heightened state of anxiety, or trying bitterly to stir up a backlash against the film for various reasons (what Fox did over Watchmen, what they think Fox did with X3 or its other superhero movies).

 

[chaseter]

What I was trying to convey, was that not all casual fans of the X-Men franchise hated X3, which is what most of your posts seem to state. I was just trying to show that the opposite was the case when I spoke to my friends who aren't hardcore X-Men fans. While I am not the biggest fan of X3, I have many complaints about it, there are those who thought it was good.

And, I never said that the opposite so there is no reason to convey that

Nell claimed that every non-fan loved this movie because they don't hold grudges and I made an example of how that is not true. That is it...no hidden meanings, no hidden Fox hate agenda

A lot of people enjoyed it but some did not and therefore it may effect Wolverine's box office but it won't be a dramatic drop. Saying every non fan that saw X3 enjoyed the hell out of it and will be in line to see Wolverine is a bit over dramatic.

 

[Downhere]

And, I never said that the opposite so there is no reason to convey that

Nell claimed that every non-fan loved this movie because they don't hold grudges and I made an example of how that is not true. That is it...no hidden meanings, no hidden Fox hate agenda

There is nothing wrong with a hidden Fox hate agenda. lol. Fox is last in the creativity gene pool with all it's horrible choices and micro-management.

 

[WeaponXProject]

It's been a while since we've seen one of these epic discussion posts Lightning

I don't think X-Men 3 will impact Wolverine much at all. The negativity surrounding X3 is mostly fanboy based. The average movie goers seemed to like it, as they go to see movies to be entertained, and X-Men 3 was entertaining (if you weren't a hardcore fan witnessing your favourite characters being killed off or underused).

That is almost word for word what I was gonna say. Also let's not forget how popular Hugh Jackman is now and he may be a major draw people are forgetting about.

 

[chaseter]

There is nothing wrong with a hidden Fox hate agenda. lol. Fox is last in the creativity gene pool with all it's horrible choices and micro-management.

My Fox hate is not hiddent: I voice it loud and proud.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Hmmm you raise a good point but i dont think of X-Men Origins: Wolverine in that light.

The way i see it, Origins is a direct sequel/prequel you know what i mean from x2. Fans of x2 will want to see the story continue or explained in Origins.

I dont necessarly say Last Stand was a bad movie, i just think it was rushed... in no way was it in the same terrible league of Batman Sequels. But i think the story was rushed and it left fans just wanting redemption, i think we will see that with X-Men First Class and possibly Magneto which will enrich the movieverse history. but the way i see it is that you have an x-men trilogy...

X-Men 1 - needs a magneto movie to explain how the first movie came about
X-Men 2 - has wolverine movie to explain that
X-Men 3 - needs First Class to fill in alot of the plot holes sponged into Last Stand...

think about it, in last stand we go back to when Jean joins the team, first class is about the first team, so maybe they plan to explain Jean Grey more in First Class and why xavier put them blocks in,

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmm you raise a good point but i dont think of X-Men Origins: Wolverine in that light.

The way i see it, Origins is a direct sequel/prequel you know what i mean from x2. Fans of x2 will want to see the story continue or explained in Origins.

I dont necessarly say Last Stand was a bad movie, i just think it was rushed... in no way was it in the same terrible league of Batman Sequels. But i think the story was rushed and it left fans just wanting redemption, i think we will see that with X-Men First Class and possibly Magneto which will enrich the movieverse history. but the way i see it is that you have an x-men trilogy...

X-Men 1 - needs a magneto movie to explain how the first movie came about
X-Men 2 - has wolverine movie to explain that
X-Men 3 - needs First Class to fill in alot of the plot holes sponged into Last Stand...

think about it, in last stand we go back to when Jean joins the team, first class is about the first team, so maybe they plan to explain Jean Grey more in First Class and why xavier put them blocks in,

well technically we still don't know if its the actual first class, or if its young/new mutants.