Could X3 Be Wolverine's "Last Stand"?

[chaseter]

Audiences loved Norbit...just saying.

 

[Figs]

Audiences loved Norbit...just saying.

Don't forget Paul Blart...they loved that too.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Don't forget Paul Blart...they loved that too.

Not everything has to be some kind of epic war, fantasy, comic book drama.

It's okay to watch and like comedies. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

 

[Figs]

Not everything has to be some kind of epic war, fantasy, comic book drama.

It's okay to watch and like comedies. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Nell...Nell...Nell.

You know damn well that just because I posted Paul Blart does NOT mean I meant comedies in general but that specific one since it was fairly dumb.

Try again.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nell...Nell...Nell.

You know damn well that just because I posted Paul Blart does NOT mean I meant comedies in general but that specific one since it was fairly dumb.

Try again.

What it sounds like is because people like something that you deem as "dumb", that they too must be "dumb" and incapable of forming a legitimate opinion.

 

[Figs]

What it sounds like is because people like something that you deem as "dumb", that they too must be "dumb" and incapable of forming a legitimate opinion.

No, that's you assuming something about me.

I don't think of the GA as being dumb and I especially don't think they are incapable of forming a legitimate opinion(that would be sort of impossible since they're well...human).

I have in the past stood up for the GA when hardcore holier than thou fanboys like to talk mad crap about them because some of my friends as well as family make up that group.

My point was that a lot of the GA aren't as critical about films(not just comic films) as film nerds like myself where I spend a huge amount of time discussing films/movies as most of us do who come to message boards.

Due to a lot of the GA not being as harsh and critical, they will tend to go to films that others like myself, how shall I say, that are a bit pickier and subjective wouldn't waste time on. Mainly because I know it looks a bit dumb but that doesn't mean people who see it are dumb, just that a lot of the GA don't necessarily get picky like some of us film nerds about super quality in films.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No, that's you assuming something about me.

I don't think of the GA as being dumb and I especially don't think they are incapable of forming a legitimate opinion(that would be sort of impossible since they're well...human).

I have in the past stood up for the GA when hardcore holier than thou fanboys like to talk mad crap about them because some of my friends as well as family make up that group.

My point was that a lot of the GA aren't as critical about films(not just comic films) as film nerds like myself where I spend a huge amount of time discussing films/movies as most of us do who come to message boards.

Due to a lot of the GA not being as harsh and critical, they will tend to go to films that others like myself, how shall I say, that are a bit pickier and subjective wouldn't waste time on. Mainly because I know it looks a bit dumb but that doesn't mean people who see it are dumb, just that a lot of the GA don't necessarily get picky like some of us film nerds about super quality in films.

That's one way to put it. That's not how it was presented a couple days ago in the now locked thread when you were agreeing with japanese writing name guy about how those of us who like movies like X3, or Wolverine, are just lesser minded when it comes to movies, and accept mediocrity.

 

[night0205]

Liking movies is partly personal opinion. But in reality there is a standard on a well made movie, what that looks like, and respect because it is well made, even if you don't like it. Hell, I like lots of mediocre made movies...but they could have a really well told story. And I don't like many well made movies, i respect them for being well made. Try not to use words like "ever" "never" and "everyone" because those words just lead to falacies. You can't say something was the "worst movie ever made" or "the best movie ever made"...that's just unwise. You can say something is your favorite...personally and that's fine, even if everyone else in the world hates it.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Liking movies is partly personal opinion. But in reality there is a standard on a well made movie, what that looks like, and respect because it is well made, even if you don't like it. Hell, I like lots of mediocre made movies...but they could have a really well told story. And I don't like many well made movies, i respect them for being well made. Try not to use words like "ever" "never" and "everyone" because those words just lead to falacies. You can't say something was the "worst movie ever made" or "the best movie ever made"...that's just unwise. You can say something is your favorite...personally and that's fine, even if everyone else in the world hates it.

Excellent point. Good job.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Liking movies is partly personal opinion. But in reality there is a standard on a well made movie, what that looks like, and respect because it is well made, even if you don't like it. Hell, I like lots of mediocre made movies...but they could have a really well told story. And I don't like many well made movies, i respect them for being well made. Try not to use words like "ever" "never" and "everyone" because those words just lead to falacies. You can't say something was the "worst movie ever made" or "the best movie ever made"...that's just unwise. You can say something is your favorite...personally and that's fine, even if everyone else in the world hates it.

That's pretty much the case.

And I have NO PROBLEM admitting that something might be better made than something that I personally like more.

I love the hell out of X-Men 3, and soon to come Wolverine (yes, I have seen the leak. Yes, I do like it. Yes I will see it in a couple weeks).

I acknowledge that films like The Dark Knight, The Godfather, Scarface, whatever, are all better crafted films.

My problem, however, is the notion that I'm somehow accepting of mediocrity. Just because something is not as finely crafted as one of those film classics (and sorry, when it comes right down to it, The Dark Knight, Spiderman 2, and X2 are not film classics) does not make it a poorly made film. As much as it is bashed, X-Men 3 is not a poorly made film. It's not as finely crafted as other films, no, but it's not poorly made.

Even musically, my favorite artists are Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. I think they are amazingly talented and make great music.

The talent they possess is not to the same caliber of talent as a legendary band like The Beatles (whom I hate), or amazing singers like Aretha Franklin, or something like that.

So yes, I definitely do agree with you that some things are just better made, whether you like them as much or not is up to you, but some things are just better made.

That doesn't make those other things "bad".

 

[night0205]

Audiences loved Norbit...just saying.

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What the hell is wrong with this country?

 

[chaseter]

What it sounds like is because people like something that you deem as "dumb", that they too must be "dumb" and incapable of forming a legitimate opinion.

Paul Blart, Norbit, Larry the Cable Guy whatever, every ______ Movie are stupid, mindless, dumb, and horrible pieces of cinema. I feel bad for the people that watch and enjoy those movies and more importantly fund further research into more bad movies.

 

[Downhere]

Don't forget Paul Blart...they loved that too.

Hey now, Paul Blart wasn't bad, it was nice clean wholesome entertainment. Sometimes that can be a good thing for families and people who want to see a light hearted film.

 

[venom892]

It was ok.I saw with my girlfriend because let's face it when it came out there wasn't much else to watch.

 

[Downhere]

It was ok.I saw with my girlfriend because let's face it when it came out there wasn't much else to watch.

Exactly, it is an ok movie, nothing ground breaking but a good way to pass the time. It's definitely not another Norbit which was amazingly awful!

 

[danoyse]

Hey now, Paul Blart wasn't bad, it was nice clean wholesome entertainment. Sometimes that can be a good thing for families and people who want to see a light hearted film.

Exactly. I haven't seen it, but it looks harmless enough and a lot of people enjoyed it. Nothing wrong with that.

I have a few friends who are psyched for Wolverine who are going through some pretty tough times right now. They just want to go out and have a good time - they don't need the weight of the world on their shoulders to watch it.

 

[Downhere]

I have a few friends who are psyched for Wolverine who are going through some pretty tough times right now. They just want to go out and have a good time - they don't need the weight of the world on their shoulders to watch it.

True, I think people just want to be entertained sometimes, they want something that can be fun and a good waste of 2 hours. I, personally, wasn't looking forward to Wolverine, but I actually am now for some odd reason. If it sucks, it sucks, if it is decent, it's decent, etc. I'm just looking forward to seeing a nice action flick that I know everyone I know will want to see so I won't have to wait for someone to go with me or go alone to see it.

 

[Figs]

That's one way to put it. That's not how it was presented a couple days ago in the now locked thread when you were agreeing with japanese writing name guy about how those of us who like movies like X3, or Wolverine, are just lesser minded when it comes to movies, and accept mediocrity.

I already had another post explaining the specific post your talking about in that thread to which I don't believe you ever gave another response to before it was closed...I specifically remember telling you that had nothing to do with being lesser minded, once again your jumping the gun and taking offense and putting words in my mouth. I will admit I might have said something about accepting mediocrity which is very true.

If you go back and read that last post of mine you'll see that I also made a point/example that I enjoy most of Michael Bay's films and freely admitted that I realize that his films aren't what you would call 'great cinema' or 'great films'. If it were true that people that liked Bay's films or any of the other ones we're talking about(typical mindless action fluff) were simple minded then wouldn't that put me in that category as well?

I'm basically saying to not be so sensitive and instantly jump to conclusions, thinking me and a few others are calling you simple minded or dumb when that isn't the case. What it comes down to, is being able to freely admit that at times you like movies that aren't up to quality I guess you could say. I already admitted that I at times like some of those movies, I consider them guilty pleasures. That's the difference in what I've been saying and what you think I've been saying.

I think Wolverine is going to be one of those films due to Fox's track record looking at X-3 and the FF films. Maybe in May I will be proven wrong but from everything I've heard, I don't think so.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yea, I didn't get to respond to that post again before it was locked because I was at work.

My point is though, just because you might not like something, or it may not be up to par in terms of quality compared to certain films, that doesn't make it a "mindless guilty pleasure" film.

X-Men 3, and Wolverine are much better than "mindless guilty pleasure" movies. They may not be the best crafted films in the world, but they aren't even close to bad films.

A "guilty pleasure" film, something that's enjoyable despite how bad it is - how about Super Mario Bros? That's a much better example of something that's a "guilty pleasure".

X-Men 3 and Wolverine might not reach certain film making standards, but that doesn't make them bad films, by any stretch of the word. That's not even because I like them either, that's just logical thinking.

There are plenty of films that I hate that I wouldn't even call poorly made "guilty pleasure" films. I hate Del Toro's comic book films (Blade 2, Hellyboy series), and as stupid as I think those movies are, at least there's a lot of hard work that goes into it. I can't really say there wasn't an effort there to make a quality film, I just think the end result is trash.

Sure, I have my guilty pleasures too - Super Mario Bros, the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and it's sequels - but the X-Men films, and even Michael Bay films are not this type of movie.

What I hate is the message board mentality (and it's more than just this message board, I have seen it on tons of other message boards as well) that there is a commonly shared view amongst the forum-goers, and anything outside of that viewpoint becomes "bad".

I constantly see Fantastic 4, or Daredevil mentioned as well. Those aren't -bad- films. The finished product may be less enjoyable than you would have liked, but they aren't -bad- films. A bad comic book film would be Batman Forever or Batman & Robin, Elektra, or that old, Dolph Lundgren Punisher. Then there are films like Fantastic 4 or Daredevil where the end result may be less than desirable, but they are simply shooting for a different type of movie than what you are looking for. That type of movie isn't inherently bad, or of lower quality. It's just less deserable to the types of folk that reside on these forums. But because the shared opinion is that it is unliked, that gets turned around to "bad", and the best one can hope to do is say "I like it as a guilty pleasure", and that's wrong.

 

[Figs]

Yeah, I guess I had trouble finding the right term to use and "guilty pleasure" was a little overboard for some of the films I brought up.

I do have to say I enjoyed the Director's Cut of Daredevil though. Fantastic 4 films, not so much.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yeah, I guess I had trouble finding the right term to use and "guilty pleasure" was a little overboard for some of the films I brought up.

I do have to say I enjoyed the Director's Cut of Daredevil though. Fantastic 4 films, not so much.

I haven't seen the DD DC. The regular Daredevil is okay, but I'm just not huge on the character or the story, really, so I've had little interest in the DC.

The Fantastic 4 movies I don't think are as bad as people make them out to be, but I don't have the desire to sit around watching them. I know Doom is kinda different from the comic books, but I actually kinda like Julian McMahon's portrayal as Doom.

 

[Figs]

I haven't seen the DD DC. The regular Daredevil is okay, but I'm just not huge on the character or the story, really, so I've had little interest in the DC.

The Fantastic 4 movies I don't think are as bad as people make them out to be, but I don't have the desire to sit around watching them. I know Doom is kinda different from the comic books, but I actually kinda like Julian McMahon's portrayal as Doom.

A lot of people gave McMahon crap because of what they did to Doom in the films but it was the script and Director. I also liked him in the FF movies, the problem was watering down one of Marvel's biggest villians and giving him some lame lines and crap motives.That's one of the things I'm looking forward to in Wolverine is Sabretooth. From what people are saying, Liev did a great job.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A lot of people gave McMahon crap because of what they did to Doom in the films but it was the script and Director. I also liked him in the FF movies, the problem was watering down one of Marvel's biggest villians and giving him some lame lines and crap motives.That's one of the things I'm looking forward to in Wolverine is Sabretooth. From what people are saying, Liev did a great job.

Liev was great. In the comics, I'm not normally big on Sabretooth (except when he's feuding with Gambit ) but I really liked Liev as Creed in this.

If Gambit wasn't in this, Sabretooth would probably be my favorite character in the movie.

 

[Retroman]

Nice to see you around LS.t:

With the recent leak it's hard to say what kind of effect X3 will have on Wolverine's box office.Yes, it's widely considerd the least of the trilogy but it wasn't a franchise killer like Batman & Robin was.

As strange as it might sound i do think Fox and the producers know that many diehard x-men fans weren't happy with how the movie turned out. How else can you explain the questionable additions of fan favorites such as Cyclops, Gambit, Emma Frost and even young Storm.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Liking movies is partly personal opinion. But in reality there is a standard on a well made movie, what that looks like, and respect because it is well made, even if you don't like it. Hell, I like lots of mediocre made movies...but they could have a really well told story. And I don't like many well made movies, i respect them for being well made. Try not to use words like "ever" "never" and "everyone" because those words just lead to falacies. You can't say something was the "worst movie ever made" or "the best movie ever made"...that's just unwise. You can say something is your favorite...personally and that's fine, even if everyone else in the world hates it.

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