The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Critic bias towards this franchise?

[GremlinZilla89]

Peter is nerdy. That's who he is. He's a Science geek and nerd. He doesn't skateboard, or sit in class brooding with his hood up or any of the other hipster type of nonsense that Webb has polluted the character with.

Peter Parker is the hard luck guy who overcomes adversity. He's Marvel's little engine that could. His inner strength is always coming through in all three movies.



That's not true at all. MJ's broken homes aspect is why the character fought so hard to be a success. She said that in the first movie where she can't wait to escape her home life, get to the city and make something of herself.

Those harsh home insecurities show through, like when she's being slammed by the critics in 3 and she says she reads their words and it's like her father wrote them.

Some fans just overlook these character nuances and focus on small aspects like her being captured and exaggerate it as though it was the bulk of the character's story when it was a minority.

OH NO! A-a-a-a-HOODIE! WHAT HIPSTER CRAP HATH WEBB WROUGHT UPON US WHEN PETER PARKER WEARS A HOODIE! THE HUMANITY!!!!!! AN OTUCAST TEENAGER IN TODAY'S MODERN WORLD MUST ALWAYS LOOK LIKE A STEREOTYPICAL 60'S NERD WITH BLACK FRAMED GLASSES AND POCKET PROTECTOR!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE SOMETHING BE EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT CONTEMPORARY!!!! EVEN SOMETHING AS BENIGN AS A HOODIE!!!!!!

I wear hoodies all the time. I used to skateboard for a spell as a kid too. I guess I'm a hipster. Hell, I guess everybody with a hoodie is a hipster. Tell you what, go to the local skate park and call the skaters hipsters. See where that gets you.

Yes, I know Peter is a nerd. But he isn't the social inept loser Raimi makes him out to be. My point is, Peters resolve never came through for me in those films. Peter takes his lumps, keeps his chin up, makes a wise-ass remark or too and keeps on trucking. He takes to web-slinging to clear his head. He doesn't get the equivalent of erectile disfunction because stuff is weighing down on him. You know what Peter does a lot of the time in the comics when it's all too much? He gets angry. He's gets pissy. He gets moody and sometimes he pushes people away that dont' deserve it. Maguire's Peter just acts like his kitten got run over.

And with MJ, eh. The writing for her was just atrocious. Nothing more to discuss. Her life and her choices were never properly explored for her to be anything other than a goal. A plot point. An achievement.

 

[bapi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8K1TxDnczM

when somebody have critics toward this franchise and prefer Raimi's trilogy make him watch this video

Did you see ASM2?

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

My problem with Garfield is he ****ing stutters like Elmer Fudd. I mean man speak clearly. Also how his Peter is written. And Spider-Man.

 

[Human Torch]

Until someone shows me a Spider-Man comic where he disrespects police officers in his first meeting, plays around with a car thief for 30 minutes, steal tech from Oscorp (Venom suit doesn't count), spits on Captain Stacy's grave, let's Uncle Ben die over milk, plays on his phone during the job (that's Deadpool not Spidey), Spidey bends a ****ing field goal post, Aunt May not involved, and showcases Gwen his powers in just about there first date; then you can say TASM Spider-Man is Spider-Man.

 

[TeeKay]

Man people really like to exaggerate MJ in the Raimi trilogy. She actaully had a great arc through out the trilogy. Gwen in TASM was just there because you know, Peter needed a love interest. Only in TASM2 we know what she wants to do with her life and what not. In TASM, we know nothing about her.

 

[Shikamaru]

My problem with Garfield is he ****ing stutters like Elmer Fudd. I mean man speak clearly. Also how his Peter is written. And Spider-Man.

Except that that's exactly how Spider-Man and Peter are. Stuttering is part of being socially awkward. Josh Keaton does it too.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I didn't realize it until now but Gwen & Peter's first date was with her parents.

What guy would agree to that first date?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Man people really like to exaggerate MJ in the Raimi trilogy. She actaully had a great arc through out the trilogy. Gwen in TASM was just there because you know, Peter needed a love interest. Only in TASM2 we know what she wants to do with her life and what not. In TASM, we know nothing about her.

MJ has a classic arc and it plays out just as you'd expect. A bit lazy and generic, but I like it and I adore Dunst. But I love Gwen in TASM and find her to be much more of a character.

 

[TeeKay]

Yes, I know Peter is a nerd. But he isn't the social inept loser Raimi makes him out to be. My point is, Peters resolve never came through for me in those films. Peter takes his lumps, keeps his chin up, makes a wise-ass remark or too and keeps on trucking. He takes to web-slinging to clear his head. He doesn't get the equivalent of erectile disfunction because stuff is weighing down on him. You know what Peter does a lot of the time in the comics when it's all too much? He gets angry. He's gets pissy. He gets moody and sometimes he pushes people away that dont' deserve it. Maguire's Peter just acts like his kitten got run over.

Did you not watch SM2? That whole movie was centred around Peter being ****ted on and his life falling apart because he was struggling to balance his life to the point his powers started failing and he quit. At least he didn't need 3 people to die in his life so that he'll finally learn about responsibilty.

And with MJ, eh. The writing for her was just atrocious. Nothing more to discuss. Her life and her choices were never properly explored for her to be anything other than a goal. A plot point. An achievement.

The same could be said about Gwen Stacy in the new franchise.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I didn't realize it until now but Gwen & Peter's first date was with her parents.

What guy would agree to that first date?

You guys are getting off topic. I don't want to see anyone else get banned for the same reason I was so let's get back to critic bias.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I said it before. It's more these Spidey films aren't nothing new. I mean TASM1 was worse from a critical and box office POV.

It's sequel looks overcrowded in the marketing.

I just feel that they plain aren't as good as we've seen Spidey in films and know how Spidey can be.

 

[TeeKay]

MJ has a classic arc and it plays out just as you'd expect. A bit lazy and generic, but I like it and I adore Dunst. But I love Gwen in TASM and find her to be much more of a character.

Don't get me wrong I love Gwen in TASM2, she felt more like a character than she did in TASM where she was just there. Gonna miss her. I just don't like the over- exaggeration of how terrible MJ was in the Raimi trilogy. Yeah she was kinda whiny in the 3rd film but her reasons were justifyable to an extent.

 

[Lord]

I don't think you're getting banned for just a simple small talk like that. I didn't mind MJ in the original Trilogy but i think Gwen Stacy is better handled as a character, MJ cheating on all of her boyfriends was also weird.

 

[Lord]

Don't get me wrong I love Gwen in TASM2, she felt more like a character than she did in TASM where she was just there. Gonna miss her. I just don't like the over- exaggeration of how terrible MJ was in the Raimi trilogy. Yeah she was kinda whiny in the 3rd film but her reasons were justifyable to an extent.

The third film's where her action are the most justified IMAO.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't think you're getting banned for just a simple small talk like that.

I thought the same thing. And I got banned. Back on topic, guys.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Don't get me wrong I love Gwen in TASM2, she felt more like a character than she did in TASM where she was just there. [BLACKOUT]Gonna miss her.[/BLACKOUT] I just don't like the over- exaggeration of how terrible MJ was in the Raimi trilogy. Yeah she was kinda whiny in the 3rd film but her reasons were justifyable to an extent.

There are a lot of people that don't like Dunst in the role and well the need to place MJ in peril in every finale. I personally like Dunst, and like her as MJ, but I understand why others might now. Still the general feeling is you can take her as a weak point, so if you are going to try and build up TASM by tearing down the original trilogy, that would be a place many might start.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

He had a personality, a good strong personality. He didn't need to be firing off one liners all the time for that.



That's the type of fabricated hyperbole I was talking about. The only time she complained about her career was in 3. Sure she got captured at the end of all three movies, but that is one small part of the character's overall arc.

You're over exaggerating small things to try and make them sound worse than they are. It's called bias.



If that was the biggest joke you've ever seen, then your stomach will be sore from laughing when you see the villains of Amazing Spider-Man 2.



Andrew was terrible in the role in the first one. He was too moody and obnoxious. He is a lot better in the sequel I will say, but he still has not reach Tobey's high standard. At this rate he never will.



I do like Emma better, but blows her out of the water, no. Dunst was excellent as MJ and is just subjected to extreme negative hyperbole by fans like you who say things like her complaining about her career and getting captured was all there was to the character when they were only small facets to the overall character's story.

I respect your opinions but Kristen Dunst flat out said she didn't give a crap about the character of MJ and it shows in the movies. I don't see were other says she was a strong female character, as I didn't see anything likable about her. At least Emma Stone is excited to play the role of Gwen and actually likes the Spider Man franchise unlike Kristen. Also, I wasn't saying Toby need to shout out one liners all the time, but to me the guy had no personality whatsoever in the role. He was just bland and going through the motions.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I got banned for comparing Tim Sale's Spidey & Pete to Tobey in the GD.

Again I just feel when you have a director who's clearly in control of the series, we see better CBMs. Look at Burton's Batman films. 2 great films Burton was in control. Next 2 were made to sell toys. Then with Nolan, he was clearly in control of his series and its great.

When the directors have a passion and are in control, with very few studio influence, we get something special.

 

[TeeKay]

There are a lot of people that don't like Dunst in the role and well the need to place MJ in peril in every finale. I personally like Dunst, and like her as MJ, but I understand why others might now. Still the general feeling is you can take her as a weak point, so if you are going to try and build up TASM by tearing down the original trilogy, that would be a place many might start.

You have a point here. What did you think of TASM2?t:

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Until someone shows me a Spider-Man comic where he disrespects police officers in his first meeting, plays around with a car thief for 30 minutes, steal tech from Oscorp (Venom suit doesn't count), spits on Captain Stacy's grave, let's Uncle Ben die over milk, plays on his phone during the job (that's Deadpool not Spidey), Spidey bends a ****ing field goal post, Aunt May not involved, and showcases Gwen his powers in just about there first date; then you can say TASM Spider-Man is Spider-Man.

Oh give me a damn break.

Spidey is always having it out with the cops.

Hell, I JUST read an older comic (issue 151 or 152 I think) where he beats up a couple of thugs in a taxi, destroys the taxi, is about to leave when the driver ask him to help with damage and makes a wise ass remark to the cabbie as he swings away from failing to fix the cab. Real nice guy there. It's also a constant thing in the old comics where he gets into a scrap with a villain, looses and instead of following up on where they may have gone he stops in to Aunt May, or the Bugle, or Harry, or Gwen or MJ. So please, lets not pretend our Peter Parker is always some perfect picture of heroism.

Are you seriously going to whine about his quipping with the thief? Spider-Man's MAIN FREAKIN' thing is talking trash. He's constantly running his mouth.

Lets Ben die over milk? Are you kidding? Like he knew that was gonna happen? Come off it.

Goal post/phone game? Puh-leeez.

I never got that he stole the webbing from Oscorp. I got that he researched the webbing fluid and tried duplicating the formula. And even he did take it, so what? It's not like he's going to constantly break in for years just to steal it. It could be reasonably said it was a one time thing.

Spits on Stacy's grave? People seem to forget GWEN didn't give a crap about the promise. PETER DID. That's why he called it off. After Gwen's hurt about him calling off their relationship and Aunt May's pep talk THEN Peter decided they could still try and work it out. If you're gonna whine about anybody disrespecting Captain Stacy, whine about his own daughter.

 

[Lord]

I thought the same thing. And I got banned. Back on topic, guys.

For what? And where? It's all about context

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You have a point here. What did you think of TASM2?t:

I still haven't seen it yet. That is why I only mentioned Gwen in TASM. I am seeing it Friday morning. I can't wait to discuss it with you. I found your review to be great.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Did you not watch SM2? That whole movie was centred around Peter being ****ted on and his life falling apart because he was struggling to balance his life to the point his powers started failing and he quit. At least he didn't need 3 people to die in his life so that he'll finally learn about responsibilty.



The same could be said about Gwen Stacy in the new franchise.

I don't even get what you're trying to say with your first point. So ya...


And no, it cannot be said about Gwen. Gwen is smart. As smart as Peter with aspirations in her field and education and knows what she wants at all times. Thus, we know what she wants at all times.

 

[TeeKay]

I still haven't seen it yet. That is why I only mentioned Gwen in TASM. I am seeing it Friday morning. I can't wait to discuss it with you. I found your review to be great.

My bad for not reading carefully. Thought you had already seen it. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did and thanks.

 

[Picard Sisko]

For what? And where? It's all about context

People were discussing the B&R comparisons to TASM2. So I made a comment about how bad B&R was and I got banned for over a week for being off-topic.