The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Critic bias towards this franchise?

[DarthSkywalker]

yeah people have this attachment to nostalgia that is hard to breakthrough

You mean like how fans of a character might have trouble understanding why others don't like their film? Yes, attachment to nostalgia is hard to breakthrough.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The JeremyJahns review of TASM (the 1st one he hasn't reviewed the 2nd one yet)

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he makes good points about not only the film and the raimi films but the reboot idea in general

 

[spider-neil]

That is you, not them.

Well maybe the critics who trash the movies should also take that stance with the people who like the movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well maybe the critics who trash the movies should also take that stance with the people who like the movie.

Why? If they don't see it, don't feel it, why should they be forced to take a stance?

 

[spider-neil]

Why? If they don't see it, don't feel it, why should they be forced to take a stance?

Because opinions are being stated as fact, they aren't fact they're opinions.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because opinions are being stated as fact, they aren't fact they're opinions.

By who? I see that you want your opinion to be shared by disagreeing critics, but other then that, what?

 

[spider-neil]

By who? I see that you want your opinion to be shared by disagreeing critics, but other then that, what?

I'm at pains to stress my opinion is my own. Level that at someone else.

 

[webhead731]

Critics are bashing this film because it is all over the place with its tone, too much going on, too much camp and poor villains.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm at pains to stress my opinion is my own. Level that at someone else.

You just wrote this...

Well maybe the critics who trash the movies should also take that stance with the people who like the movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Critics are bashing this film because it is all over the place with its tone, too much going on, too much camp and poor villains.

and yet judging from where you live i gather you haven't seen it yet

oh wait i forgot your the one whose been bashing the film from the beginning

 

[spider-neil]

You just wrote this...

Critics that trash a movie should realise that is their opinion and not attempt to change the minds of people who do like that movie. That is what I was attempting to say.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Critics that trash a movie should realise that is their opinion and not attempt to change the minds of people who do like that movie. That is what I was attempting to say.

A film critic's job is to deliver criticism on a film and give their view on whether it is worth seeing or not. That is the very nature of a film critic. You want them to not do their jobs?

And that isn't what you wrote. You wrote that they should share your opinion.

 

[The Joker]

Critics that trash a movie should realise that is their opinion and not attempt to change the minds of people who do like that movie. That is what I was attempting to say.

What makes you think they're trying to change people's minds?

 

[webhead731]

and yet judging from where you live i gather you haven't seen it yet

oh wait i forgot your the one whose been bashing the film from the beginning

Uhm, I am just quoting what the critics have been saying. That was not meant to be my opinion.

Stop being snarky.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Critics that trash a movie should realise that is their opinion and not attempt to change the minds of people who do like that movie. That is what I was attempting to say.

critics have more influence then they perhaps should have sadly

 

[spider-neil]

What makes you think they're trying to change people's minds?

Maybe not trying to change minds, rather stating opinion as fact.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Uhm, I am just quoting what the critics have been saying. That was not meant to be my opinion.

Stop being snarky.

 

[The Joker]

Maybe not trying to change minds, rather stating opinion as fact.

I don't get this. Critics are paid to write an analysis of a movie. Most critics write their reviews without saying in my opinion or what ever constantly, including the ones that have given it positive reviews. You don't need them writing 'in my opinion' and so forth all the time to know they are speaking on their own behalf.

 

[LizardMan07]

I think when a review opens attacking the spiderman character as a whole, saying he is a blatent superman and batman ripoff, we can assume he is slightly biased.

I think when a reviewer (ableit a blogger with one post) opens up his review by describing the film as "objectively brilliant", then we can assume he is biased.

I think when a reviewer describes the main villian as a smurf and the previous films villian as gadzuki, we can assume he doesn't have much prowess in the ability to describe or critique a film effectively, or at least articulate his/her concerns.

This isn't about how much we can bash or love the movie. This isn't about how crap the plot was or how Andrew Garfield is the Jesus of spiderman films. This is about the absolute insipid quality of reviews coming to light. These people are being paid a lot of money to provide fair and balanced opinions of films, and I think as people who enjoy films, it is repugnant that we can make any attempt whatsoever to brush this issue under the rug. It's simply not good enough.

Yeah, the film has it's issues, it depends on how you look at it. Most of you who don't like the film on these forums have shown how to dislike a film and write a constructive review on why this is so. It just makes me so angry that professional critics cannot do the same.

I think this summary right off RT shows my point aptly;

Does anyone need these films, apart from the most addicted comics obsessives, and Stan Lee's financial advisers?

Disgraceful

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That is disgraceful? Sounds like a good point to me. This series exist to keep the rights.

 

[Drz]

It also exists to make money, which is the same reason it would have under any other film studio.

I don't see why the rights is somehow a negative, they want to make business, it would be the same if WB, FOX or Disney had the rights.

 

[LizardMan07]

Hold on though. Does that point have anything to do with the plot, characters, visuals and emotional impact of the film. The cohesion, power of the film and trueness to the source material? Does the nature of the franchise from a logistical point of view somehow objectively effect the nature of the story played out on screen?

I'm slightly worried if you don't find a problem with analyzing the business behind the film instead of the actual film we were given instead, but hey, everyone is different.

 

[GuestStar2004]

it exists to keep the rights but these films only make money because people want to see more spider-man

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It also exists to make money, which is the same reason it would have under any other film studio.

I don't see why the rights is somehow a negative, they want to make business, it would be the same if WB, FOX or Disney had the rights.

The difference is this isn't a Batman Begins and Iron Man project. A film that was allowed to come together, not forced. When a studio like WB or Marvel have the rights, they have the rights. They own the company, they don't have to fast track anything. They don't have a time table.

It tips the scales of chance between quality and necessity.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hold on though. Does that point have anything to do with the plot, characters, visuals and emotional impact of the film. The cohesion, power of the film and trueness to the source material? Does the nature of the franchise from a logistical point of view somehow objectively effect the nature of the story played out on screen?

I'm slightly worried if you don't find a problem with analyzing the business behind the film instead of the actual film we were given instead, but hey, everyone is different.

It is a creative way of calling the film blah or mediocre. If they felt it was fantastic, I don't think the reaction would be, "Why does it exist". It is like calling out MLB for having too long of a regular season, or a television show for running too long. The quality suffers from the very nature of what will maximize profits.