Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread

[bluerayer]

And maybe the World Trade Center also still stands in the MCU version of New York.

http://marvel.wikia.com/World_Trade_Center

I remember that Marvel(and DC too i think.)published a special comic about 9/11.

Edit: I Just saw that you were talking about the cinematic universe. My bad.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Had a dream last night that I got a sneak peek at the new DD show and it was awesome. Then I woke up and was bummed it wasn't real.

 

[Tymminator]

Interview with Quesada on the Daredevil series (from CBR)
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=52717



Key points:
we're not going into this show with the idea of trying to erase the memory of anything that came before or really any preconceived notions whatsoever. We're going into the show trying to create something that's incredibly exciting, incredibly engaging, and will give our fans something that they love, something that's unexpected, something that's going to keep them coming back for more. That's really, ultimately, the goal of this: How do we produce a "Daredevil" TV show on Netflix, that's going to be viewed the way that people view content on Netflix, in a way that's going to be compelling, feels unique, while bringing something that is not only true to the character, but providing something unexpected as well.

I wonder if they are going to use FOX's movie origin as the backstory and just move forward?

 

[Dark Raven]

Well I hope they don't use Fox's DD costume. I want it to look a lot better and less stiff. They couldn't use the Affleck one anyway unless Cox is also 6'4".

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I wonder if they are going to use FOX's movie origin as the backstory and just move forward?

I doubt they're using fox's origin. I think he means that not going to attempt to do anything so different with daredevil that they want you to forget the fox movie. Which is the same thing they implied when they were making TIH.
I think that they'll move forward and not focus much on his origins. Although I would love a marvel one-shot about Battling jack murdock and the mob.

 

[Tymminator]

See, I had heard TIH was actually going to be more or less a sequel, but Norton was the main reason for many changes as he was influenced by the 70's TV series and burrowed elements from that. I way was figures that was true as in the Hulk, it ends roughly where in TIH it begins (with Banner out of the states on the run).

 

[Gamma Goliath]

You can see those connections there, but I'm glad it turned out as a reboot. Same with this new daredevil, I want it to be Marvel's daredevil without stepping on anyones toes.

 

[bluerayer]

I doubt they're using fox's origin. I think he means that not going to attempt to do anything so different with daredevil that they want you to forget the fox movie. Which is the same thing they implied when they were making TIH.
I think that they'll move forward and not focus much on his origins. Although I would love a marvel one-shot about Battling jack murdock and the mob.

Im confused, sure it's been awhile since i saw the Daredevil movie and even longer since i actually read the comics. But wasn't that pretty much Daredevils origin from the comics in the Fox movie? Why would they change it?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

What I'm saying is I doubt fox's Daredevil is canon to marvels. So even if the origin is the same (which it likely will be) I doubt they're counting fox's as the basis of what theyre doing.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, the quote in question was pretty much about how they're not making Fox's movie a factor at all. They aren't trying to set out to erase it, but I seriously doubt it's going to be a self-conscious sequel either. I doubt they'll even do the "Hulk" route where they at least assume people are familiar with the origin story due to the recent movie (Marvel has said they never intended to make it a sequel but didn't repeat the origin because they assumed people had seen it or were otherwise familiar with it).

Daredevil's background is less famous than the Hulk's and there's been a much greater gap since the last movie than between Hulks. I'm sure they'll do their own take.

 

[seahammer]

I hope there is no question that this is separate from Fox's origin. I think it will be obvious, once we start to get some news about the actual stories and characters involved.

And that's a huge plus, because we can get much a much truer, selfless DD/Matt Murdock. One who gets his powers from self-sacrifice:

And one who saves his worst enemy, because he is better than just letting a man die (instead of, you know, throwing bullseye out a window or letting a gangster get run over by the subway. the exact opposite of what DD would actually do):

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Honestly, I think even from the getgo the idea was not to set in the 70s, but to give it a 70s movie *style*. You can do that in the present day just fine.

Did you watch the sizzle reel? There were afros man! Afros?!?! Hell, I was waiting on it to announce a DD/Shaft crossover.

 

[bluerayer]

I hope there is no question that this is separate from Fox's origin. I think it will be obvious, once we start to get some news about the actual stories and characters involved.

And that's a huge plus, because we can get much a much truer, selfless DD/Matt Murdock. One who gets his powers from self-sacrifice:

And one who saves his worst enemy, because he is better than just letting a man die (instead of, you know, throwing bullseye out a window or letting a gangster get run over by the subway. the exact opposite of what DD would actually do):

I see, im mostly familiar with Frank Millers Daredevil. And that origin, hadn't seen this before.

 

[Paradox1]

I think Matt Murdock like Frank Castle work best when they toe that line between hero and vigilante.They are the street level guys who roll around in the muck of human depravity. You can't be in that world and not get a little dirty yourself.

 

[seahammer]

I see, im mostly familiar with Frank Millers Daredevil. And that origin, hadn't seen this before.

That's what I'm used to, at least, but you guys are probably more knowledgeable about DD than I am. I've always loved DD, but I don't have an exhaustive knowledge of his whole history like some here do. (Unlike Thor, who I know in-and-out and have read all/own most of his issues since his inception).

 

[seahammer]

I think Matt Murdock like Frank Castle work best when they toe that line between hero and vigilante.They are the street level guys who roll around in the muck of human depravity. You can't be in that world and not get a little dirty yourself.

I agree, but I think what sets them apart is that DD still has something in him that sees the best of the human spirit, some piece of humanity that values compassion. His struggle is that he does get pulled down by the world he lives in, and he has to fight to keep the goodness alive.

Again, like I said above, it's more of a surface level read on the character. I haven't read all of Miller's run. I've just read a smattering of DD from various incarnations/periods.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I see, im mostly familiar with Frank Millers Daredevil. And that origin, hadn't seen this before.

I think Frank Miller's version is basically the same. I'd have to look for it, but the one during his first run is basically that. His later "Man without Fear" version has Matt seemingly slightly younger, but that's about it. My preference is for the younger Matt, but, otherwise, the versions are about the same.

 

[gohei_]

I think Frank Miller's version is basically the same. I'd have to look for it, but the one during his first run is basically that. His later "Man without Fear" version has Matt seemingly slightly younger, but that's about it. My preference is for the younger Matt, but, otherwise, the versions are about the same.

I was about to say this. I believe they are pretty much the same.

 

[bluerayer]

I think Frank Miller's version is basically the same. I'd have to look for it, but the one during his first run is basically that. His later "Man without Fear" version has Matt seemingly slightly younger, but that's about it. My preference is for the younger Matt, but, otherwise, the versions are about the same.

Ok, i can't remember if Matt actually dove into traffic like that in the Miller version. Im gonna rewatch the movie and see how they did the origin. Haven't seen the fox movie in years.

 

[Whatupman]

I hope there is no question that this is separate from Fox's origin. I think it will be obvious, once we start to get some news about the actual stories and characters involved.

And that's a huge plus, because we can get much a much truer, selfless DD/Matt Murdock. One who gets his powers from self-sacrifice:

And one who saves his worst enemy, because he is better than just letting a man die (instead of, you know, throwing bullseye out a window or letting a gangster get run over by the subway. the exact opposite of what DD would actually do):

I actually hope that they don't use this. Saving a blind man leads Matt to become... blind. That's a pretty big coincidence.

 

[Paradox1]

I agree, but I think what sets them apart is that DD still has something in him that sees the best of the human spirit, some piece of humanity that values compassion. His struggle is that he does get pulled down by the world he lives in, and he has to fight to keep the goodness alive.

Again, like I said above, it's more of a surface level read on the character. I haven't read all of Miller's run. I've just read a smattering of DD from various incarnations/periods.

Writers tend to take Frank to far left into the realm of murderer much to often. I see Matt as someone who struggles with his own demons. Ironic since he dresses up as one patrolling rooftops. There is no better way to show how much daunting those demons are then for them to win from time to time.

 

[metaphysician]

Stupid question, but. . . what, exactly, does saving a random bystander from being killed in an auto accident have to do with killing ( or not ) a homicidal psychopath in battle? Those are completely unrelated issues.

 

[Shakel92]

You would think that the safety protocols on the transportation of radioactive material would have been upgraded a little since the 1960's. I'm sure they're going to change the origin story a little bit.

 

[seahammer]

Stupid question, but. . . what, exactly, does saving a random bystander from being killed in an auto accident have to do with killing ( or not ) a homicidal psychopath in battle? Those are completely unrelated issues.

I was giving two different examples of the types of heroic qualities Matt Murdock should have that were left out/inverted in the Fox movie.

In his origin, he threw himself in front of a truck to save someone, which ended up with him becoming handicapped. In the movie, he was injured because he was somewhere he shouldn't have been, and got in the way of a forklift.

In the comics, he pulled Bullseye out from in front of the subway because he couldn't stand by and leave someone to die (even Bullseye). In the movie, he quipped about the light at the end of the tunnel and let Quesada get run over.

I was just saying that, IMO, I hope getting a new version of DD will allow us to see someone with the heroic qualities that I'm used to in the character. If you go back to my original post, I don't say that one of those causes the other, I say that they are both examples of a "much truer, selfless DD/Matt Murdock." Fox got it wrong on a character level (again, IMO), and I'm glad this is not related to that.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It's entirely possible that the plan was for Daredevil to grow much in the same way the Daniel Craig James Bond has so, in sequels, he'd be less of a killer. That being said, even if Daredevil wants to kill, he does rise above his impulses and certainly shouldn't start by acting on them early in the season. Daredevil (Frank Miller's Daredevil anyway) became a lawyer because of an impromptu, out of character, act from his father who, when drunk, hit his son. His son, shocked and upset by this, ran off and spent the night by the Brooklyn Bridge. While there, he started thinking that his father "broke the rules" by hitting him. From that, he fostered a belief in the "rules," that is the law that governs society. While he helps stop criminals and certainly skates the edges of the rules, he doesn't want to break them.

It's why it's a shocking moment when he drops Bullseye and paralyzes him. Even then, it was only when pushed to the breaking point and, later one, when he plays Russian Roulette with Bullseye, he reveals that his gun had no bullets because he couldn't kill him. To me, even at his edgiest (and I'm not sure it has to go to quite that extreme), Daredevil can't cross that line.