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Dark Knight: Boy Wonder

I assume you've read the publicly available issues, do you have any idea where Franks going/take this series seriously at all? People were rightfully extremely excited when this series was announced, but Frank became crazy Frank and went off his rocker and people think this series is a joke now, I wouldnt be happy with that either, I dont blame Jim for taking his time at all.
 
Yes, I've read it. I enjoy it for what it is... But hey, all of Miller's stuff is fairly wacky. I have no idea why you seem so surprised. You're seem to be trying to imply that Jim is taking his time because of creative differences. I'm pretty sure that isn't the case.
 
I assume you've read the publicly available issues, do you have any idea where Franks going/take this series seriously at all? People were rightfully extremely excited when this series was announced, but Frank became crazy Frank and went off his rocker and people think this series is a joke now, I wouldnt be happy with that either, I dont blame Jim for taking his time at all.

You are assuming that Jim Lee doesn't like Frank Miller's writing and doesn't want to draw this series. That assumption is completely contradictory to what Jim Lee has said. I'll take his own words over yours.
And obviously there are fans of this story, whether you like it or not. Frank Miller's stories have always been wild and crazy, over the top. And Jim Lee has explained where Frank Miller is going with the series.
"The second half will reveal the mystery of who killed Dick Grayson's parents and bring a lot of things he's set up to a final climax."
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"The second half of the story will obviously deal with the mystery of why Robin's parents were killed and how the Joker fit into all of this. I am working on drawing it. There's some killer Gotham City spreads. You know we did that whole Batcave pull out where you could see the whole Batcave and all the cool stuff in it. I'm doing a five page Gotham City pull out where your gonna see the whole city from the Batcopters point of view. It's dynamite. There's some killer stuff in it."
http://thebatmanuniverse.net/sdcc/sdcc.php?videogameid=32&videoid=112&code=playvideo
The future of the book will focus on "Gotham City. Frank really uses the city as another character in the storyline, so the same way we really gave the Batcave its due, we're gonna do the same thing to Gotham. That, and showing the growing relationship between Batman and Robin. And more of the over the top Batman action that fans have loved about this book from the start."
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25536
Frank Miller said "the story involves a seminal journey for Dick Grayson, and for Batman himself."
Frank Miller also said "My plan is in the end we find out where that robot tyrannosaurs in the Batcave comes from. We finally find out. That's the plan."
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2008/09/11/batman-and-robi/
Frank Miller clarified that that the release schedule has been so delayed because of Jim Lee balancing multiple projects.
“It depends on Jim,” Miller says of his collaborator, who was just named co-publisher of DC. “He’s got a helluva schedule. It will be February before the next one comes out. We have four or five more, and it’ll wrap it all up. I’ve got it all planned, and you’ll get to the end and go ‘That’s Batman.’”
The ultimate goal of Miller’s newest Batman series isn’t to rehash the predictable and expected Dark Knight of the past seventy years, but to give a solid character arc that answers the question “Why the hell does he need a kid around, anyways?”
“It’s [about] how he is redeemed through Dick Grayson,” Frank points out.
http://www.nycgraphicnovelists.com/2010/12/frank-miller-part-2-on-pastiche.html
 
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I actually loved the beginning and how "wacky" it was. Frank has always been known to write crazy and controversial stories, but they always go somewhere. The first 6 issues of All-Star had no real direction and wasnt well-reviewed critically, if the reviews were better and the immediate reaction to the series was more positive I'm sure Jim would have been more adamant about getting out more than 6 issues in 2 years despite how busy he was.

And of course he'll say publicly about how great the series is and how he has faith and believes in Frank :o
 
So what you're saying is that if the fault truly isn't Jim Lee's (as Lee has stated) ... that Lee is just saying it's his fault because he didn't like the story and where the material was headed?

That point of view makes little sense because it seems that Lee is at a point in his career where he can choose what he wants to do, or what he doesn't want to do. I think that includes walking away from a project.
 
What I'm saying is that Jim and Frank are good friends and that Jim wouldn't do that, but the signs that Jim was unhappy were abundant. With the new gamplan, things hopefully changed.
 
Hmm... seems to me it's not his place to worry about so much the story. Surely they (Lee & Miller) talked about these things before he signed on to the project. Lee had to have more than a "good" idea of what the story was. Perhaps, Lee didn't like whatever critical "flack" there was after the fact. I'm always more impressed by people who do what they wanna do, despite critics favour (or lack thereof)...
 
Of course, as am I. However I think its more of a case between two friends when one says "Do you want to do this project with me?" and the other says "Sure", I dont know how much communication there was between the two regarding the story. I have no idea how much of the story Frank had in mind when they began. I want the story to wind up great, but it seems like in the beginning, Frank seemed like he had no sense of direction and it showed, and being his friend, Jim didnt want to back out but he was unhappy, so he wasnt as quick to send in his pages. I really hope Franks worked out the rest of the story and theyve agreed to try to have a tighter timetable.
 
Okay... but that's my point... if that were the truth, it seems bizarre for Jim Lee to "take that blame" to cover for Miller. He doesnt need to do that as 'big' as he is; regardless of how good of friends he and Miller are. That rationale just doesn't hold any water to me.

I don't understand how you could see no direction in the story... I've only got the HC edition of All Star bats... so I havent read any issues that came out after that (ere there any?)... but All Star makes total sense to me knowing it's set in that same Bat-world as Miller's DKReturns and DKStrikes Again...
 
I actually loved the beginning and how "wacky" it was. Frank has always been known to write crazy and controversial stories, but they always go somewhere. The first 6 issues of All-Star had no real direction

The first 6 issues had a real direction. It's Dick Grayson's origin. Bruce and his date Vicki attend the circus to watch the Flying Grayson's, Dick's parents are murdered, Batman takes him in, Batman fights the corrupt cops, the Justice League reacts to the news reports of Batman "kidnapping" Dick Grayson, etc. It's an updated version of Dick Grayson's origin for a contemporary older audience.
For the uninitiated, despite the quaint title, "All-Star" is geared toward an older audience and presents an especially nasty and grim incarnation of Batman. This is not a children's book. "That's right," Miller said, "it's not aimed at kids."
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2008/09/11/batman-and-robi/

and wasnt well-reviewed critically, if the reviews were better and the immediate reaction to the series was more positive I'm sure Jim would have been more adamant about getting out more than 6 issues in 2 years despite how busy he was.
Jim Lee only finished one issue of Grant Morrison's WildC.A.T.S., you think that means he didn't like Grant Morrison's writing or deliberately decided to not finish more issues because he didn't like some reviews?

The fact is Jim Lee had commitments on multiple projects that took up a lot of his time. He was trying to balance drawing All-Star Batman & Robin with designing the massive DC Universe Online game and drawing WildC.A.T.S. all during the same time period.

And of course he'll say publicly about how great the series is and how he has faith and believes in Frank :o
You think Jim Lee is lying. I believe he is honest and sincere.

I dont know how much communication there was between the two regarding the story.

"If there was one creator I wanted to work with when I was a fan, it would have been Frank Miller," says Lee, "so after this project, I think I'm going to be ready to retire! Seriously, it will be the pinnacle of my career so far, and I can't wait to get started. Frank and I have had a couple of meetings about the story, and it's going to rock!"
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/110495685967096.htm

Daniel Robert Epstein: "The book you're doing now is All Star Batman and Robin with Frank Miller. So what's a Frank Miller script look like?"

Jim Lee: "Frank's scripts are a breeze to work from. I've worked with a number of high profile writers and with Frank being an artist himself, he gives you everything you need. It's to the point and very descriptive so it reads a lot like the actual printed comic book. He writes in fairly terse, clipped sentences. He's a student of the history of comics so he knows the stuff inside and out. He's dropping references to [Dick] Sprang and [Carmine] Infantino. I know that stuff but not as intimately as he does. It's great to actually go back in time and find these treasures then dust it off and reinterpret it for a new audience."

Daniel Robert Epstein: "I'm sure if Frank wanted to do a Little Lulu story you would have wanted to do it, but did you also want to do a Robin Year One type story?"

Jim Lee: "To be honest I would have done Little Lulu with Frank. There was a time where he wasn't doing a lot of work for DC and he had his own characters [Sin City, Martha Washington, The Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot, etc.]. I wanted to work with him because he's one of my heroes creatively but to work on Batman on top of that is kickass."

Daniel Robert Epstein: "How much back and forth was there between you?"

Jim Lee: "He usually responds right after I email him the page. But the back and forth really has happened whenever we're in town at the same time. We went to a con together and basically hung out for four nights in a row. We would go out and talk about the upcoming issue and the issues after that. I think he was writing the script as we were talking because phrases we talked about showed up on the printed scripts. One of the first discussions we had about All-Star Batman & Robin and before he even committed to being part of the project he was in Austin filming Sin City. They just produced a rough cut so he invited me down to check it out at [Robert] Rodriguez's film studio down there. So that was really a cool thing but during the day he did that stuff but at the night we'd hook up and have dinner and go out and just talk comics. Talk Batman, talk characters we've liked and how we would visualize Gotham City and Batman. That's when he said I really want to do something kind of different. I don't want to just retread the same ground. I've got this take on Robin I've been meaning to do. That's how this project really came to be. It wasn't originally going to be a Robin project. Now it's Batman through the eyes of Robin so it's very cool."

Daniel Robert Epstein: "What did you think of Robin beforehand?"

Jim Lee: "He was in there a little bit with Hush. I think if I were a younger fan I'd probably be a little less interested. But having been in the business now since about 1987, there's a certain nostalgia you have for sidekicks and younger characters that you almost don't have when you're 15, 16 or 17 because they might be too close to your age. It might be even nerdier, if that's possible, to identify with them because you're trying to escape from identifying yourself with young kid characters. For a time it's kind of uncool to be into the sidekicks of characters. It's cooler to aspire to be Batman. But now I've got kids of my own so it's a way of looking at Batman through the eyes of a 12 year old kid. It's an interesting filter to put on."

Daniel Robert Epstein: "Is it in any way autobiographical in a sense that you are Robin looking at Frank as Batman?"

Jim Lee: "I would definitely have to say, from Frank's point of view, that yes there's some of that in there. The dialogue between the two is very, I won't say deconstructionist, but he is definitely updating their interaction. They're very frank with each other and there's obviously a fondness and nostalgia for the relationship between the hero and the sidekick but at the same time Frank is poking some fun at it too. Exposing it for some of the hilarity that it is. We're grown men creating a story about guys that are superheroes. It is no accident that 99 percent of the people that work in the industry were fans of comics as kids. So it's a way to go back and relive your childhood. I think what Frank does is that he takes that, updates it and makes it acceptable to read this stuff as an adult. He makes it feel exciting and interesting."
http://suicidegirls.com/interviews/Jim%20Lee/
 
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The first 6 issue had a real direction. It's Dick Grayson's origin. Bruce and his date Vicki attend the circus to watch the Flying Grayson's, Dick's parents are murdered, Batman takes him in, Batman fights the corrupt cops, the Justice League reacts to the news reports of Batman "kidnapping" Dick Grayson, etc. It's an updated version of Dick Grayson's origin for a contemporary older audience.
For the uninitiated, despite the quaint title, "All-Star" is geared toward an older audience and presents an especially nasty and grim incarnation of Batman. This is not a children's book. "That's right," Miller said, "it's not aimed at kids."
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2008/09/11/batman-and-robi/

I have no problems with the tone or the themes Frank wrote, I understand the small arcs in the beginning but it felt to me like they were all over the place and going no where.


Jim Lee only finished one issue of Grant Morrison's WildC.A.T.S., you think that means he didn't like Grant Morrison's writing or deliberately decided to not finish more issues because he didn't like some reviews?

I'm not really familiar with that situation, but I doubt Jim was as busy as he was recently so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a mixture of both.

The fact is Jim Lee had commitments on multiple projects that took up a lot of his time. He was trying to balance drawing All-Star Batman & Robin with designing the massive DC Universe Online game and drawing WildC.A.T.S. all during the same time period.

You think Jim Lee is lying. I believe he is honest and sincere.

No doubt he's been busy, my point was if the critical reaction was more positive and if the story had been accepted more unanimously, he would have been more eager to stay close to deadlines.

"If there was one creator I wanted to work with when I was a fan, it would have been Frank Miller," says Lee, "so after this project, I think I'm going to be ready to retire! Seriously, it will be the pinnacle of my career so far, and I can't wait to get started. Frank and I have had a couple of meetings about the story, and it's going to rock!"
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/110495685967096.htm
I dont doubt it, but they respect eachother and are good friends. I believe Frank's pitch could have only been "It'll be a more adult and darker story that covers the tragedy of Robins family and Batman's adoption of him" and Jim would have agreed then.
 
I have no problems with the tone or the themes Frank wrote, I understand the small arcs in the beginning but it felt to me like they were all over the place and going no where.

It's all part of one big story.

I'm not really familiar with that situation, but I doubt Jim was as busy as he was recently so I wouldn't be surprised if it was a mixture of both.

Jim Lee was very busy trying to juggle multiple projects at once. He was trying to balance drawing All-Star Batman & Robin with designing the massive DC Universe Online game and drawing WildC.A.T.S. all during the same time period. Grant Morrison said "WildC.A.T.S. is happening! We're just waiting on Jim [Lee]." He pointed out that Jim is popular and busy, and that WildC.A.T.S. doesn't necessarily take first priority.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=154312

No doubt he's been busy, my point was if the critical reaction was more positive and if the story had been accepted more unanimously, he would have been more eager to stay close to deadlines.

According to Jim Lee his delays were do to being swamped with several projects at once, not to do with some critics opinions. "I was swamped with several projects at the same time that went longer than anticipated. I was continually playing catch up. Frank told me in our last meeting that I need to stop, take a deep breath, collect myself and set a realistic date where we could come back out on a regular basis, and that's what we decided to do."
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25536

I dont doubt it, but they respect eachother and are good friends. I believe Frank's pitch could have only been "It'll be a more adult and darker story that covers the tragedy of Robins family and Batman's adoption of him" and Jim would have agreed then.

According to Jim Lee, they had a couple of meetings about the story before they started, so Jim Lee knew what the storyline would be ahead of time, a couple of meetings about the story indicates that they discussed the story beyond just Frank saying "It'll be an adult story about Robin's origin."
 
i like ASBAR.the art was great,the story was unusual,the portrayal of batman and robin was really different and the writing was at times pretty funny.compared to the decidedly average stuff being written for batman at present it would make a refreshing change.i wish the muppets would hurry up and finish it.
 
Another month goes by... still no news on this? Get off yer arses, Lee and Miller! :cwink:
 
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Dan DiDio was just asked: Any word on when Dark Knight: Boy Wonder will come out?
Dan DiDio's reply, "Probably when he is the Teen Wonder."
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/20/dan-didio-dishes-on-the-new-dcu-in-pre-comic-con-qa/
So, that vague, snarky and careless response from DC's new Co-Publisher indicates that apparently fellow Co-Publisher Jim Lee hasn't stuck to his word, again, about getting the artwork on this series completed and released this year.
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Dan DiDio is obviously solely focused on his DCU reboot/relaunch with all #1's, new costumes, etc., stunt, which is DiDio's top priority, Jim Lee is also very much involved in, and Dark Knight: Boy Wonder is not in the same Universe so it has nothing to do with that. If they really want to try to keep their new positions and be respected as competent, responsible Publishers at all then they at least should focus their attention on meeting the scheduled release dates they have set for all the books they announce. Jim Lee should have at least fulfilled his commitment on Frank Miller's Dark Knight: Boy Wonder, which will definitely be a top seller for DC, before focusing his time on Dan DiDio's DCU reboot/relaunch with creating new costumes for many of DC's characters and becoming the regular artist on Geoff Johns' new Justice League. Jim Lee obviously can't balance illustrating multiple series at once. I'm definitely disappointed.
 
Jim Lee reveals that he has finished penciling Dark Knight: Boy Wonder and Batman: Europa, but due to Justice League those comics are put on hold. Jim Lee hopes they get released next year.

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Does anybody actually care anymore? Because I don't. I've moved on. :awesome:
 
Yes, obviously people actually do still care. I'm certain that when Dark Knight: Boy Wonder is eventually published it will be the top selling comic book title, just as All-Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder was.
 
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The Grand Unified Theory of Frank Miller's Batman: Will, Hope and Tenderness

Writer Frank Miller is easily the most significant author to touch Batman since Bob Kane and Bill Finger came up with the character in the 1930s. Batman as we understand him today is derived in large part from Miller's work, and that wouldn't be true if here hadn't struck gold in his interpretation of the Dark Knight.

Miller's Batman is both well-rounded and believable character, and I only recently realized why that was true. Miller uses Thomas Wayne, Martha Wayne, and Dick Grayson to expose three vitally important things that make up the Batman we know and love: will, hope, and tenderness. Let's look into how Frank Miller built a better Batman over the course of works like Batman: Year One, the definitive Batman origin story, The Dark Knight Returns, the story of Batman's last ride, and his recent All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder.
WILL: "...yes. Father. I shall become a bat."
In Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli's Batman: Year One, Bruce Wayne's father Thomas Wayne loomed large. His influence on Bruce is explicitly set up as the genesis of Bruce fighting crime as the Batman, rather than working an anonymous vigilante. When Bruce first attempts to fight crime on his own, he fails. He has the skills, but his disguise is weak, and he has no power over his prey. He gets stabbed, crawls home, and is ready to die. When the bat crashes through the window and sparks the idea of Batman in his head, Bruce Wayne's first move is not to ring the bell to summon Alfred and save his own life. No, he chooses to speak to his father, saying, "...yes. Father. I shall become a bat."

This scene positions Batman and his crusade as Wayne's way of honoring his father. The relative lack of Martha Wayne in Year One -- and over the course of the next twenty-five years of Bat-comics -- suggests that inspiring heroism is something the men of the Wayne family do, a theme more recently resurrected in Grant Morrison's time-spanning Batman tales in Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne. The Wayne men are following in the footsteps of their fathers, and their fathers before them. Thomas Wayne was a doctor who saved thousands of lives with his hands. Bruce Wayne is merely about his father's business.

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The impetus to be Batman, or perhaps to become Batman, comes directly and indirectly from Thomas Wayne. Batman, the persona, is a direct result of young Bruce Wayne's viewing of The Mark Of Zorro. In All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, Alfred mentions that The Mark of Zorro was a movie that Thomas Wayne adored. The very last thing Bruce Wayne did with his family before they died was watch his father's favorite film. It is the last thing Bruce sees as an innocent, and that's key to the birth of Batman.

Don Diego (a.k.a. Zorro) was a man who believed in justice and protecting the downtrodden by night, and pretended to be an affable fop by day. He used a certain symbol as a calling card and to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. A "Z" scratched into flesh or cloth was a warning and an admonishment. It's simple and attractive, with a very clear idea of right and wrong, so it's easy to see why the legend of Zorro would be attractive to a six year old kid who just watched his parents die. If Zorro represents justice, then the death of his parents represents injustice. They're two sides of one coin.

By adapting Zorro and adopting his methods, Bruce is attempting to impress his father, like a son learning how to throw a perfect spiral or attending his father's alma mater. Thomas Wayne instilled Bruce with a strong sense of justice and the idea that one man, given ways and means, can make a difference. Thomas was an expert doctor, a very down-to-earth type of hero, and his enjoyment of The Mark of Zorro suggests that he enjoyed the idea of larger-than-life action, too. The bat that comes out of the nighttime sky and into the study in Wayne Manor collides with Bruce's idea of Zorro, entangling itself in Bruce's life and creating the Batman. With the addition of that symbol, he's ready to begin his war on crime.
HOPE: "No hope at all. Just her blood."

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Martha Wayne gets short shrift in the Batman mythos. Thomas Wayne is a vitally important figure and role model, but Martha is... what? A mother? Is that it? The Wayne men fought for freedom, freed slaves, fought monsters, and on and on, but the Wayne women? Well.

Frank Miller and Jim Lee's All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder is a shining spot in the catalog of Batman comics because Martha gets all the attention, barring a mention of The Mark of Zorro being Thomas's favorite movie. For once, Thomas is on the sidelines. This a notable and surprising shift in focus in the discussion of Batman's origins, and one that I missed on the first read.

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Thomas Wayne is the steel in Bruce Wayne's spine, the will that lets him stand up tall when battling the Joker. Martha, however, is the hope inside the Batman, the little voice that elevates him above the Punisher (driven by anger) or Spider-Man (driven by guilt). Yes, his quest is one of revenge against the nebulous idea of crime, but at the same time, he's genuinely trying to protect others from his bogeyman. He doesn't want other children or people to go through what he went through. There's an altruistic element there, wrapped in a seriously personal, and possibly even selfish, crusade.

In All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, we get to see the immediate aftermath of Martha Wayne being shot. While reflecting on his mother's death, Batman says, "I heard her cough her last and I pressed my hand against my mother's breast just in case there was any hope at all and there wasn't any heartbeat. No hope at all. Just her blood. On my hand. It'll never wash off. Never."

When he says "No hope at all," that's the big turning point for Bruce Wayne. That's the moment his childhood shudders and snaps under the weight of his parents' murder. There's an element of guilt in the attention he pays to her blood on his hands, as well. It's a symbol of the death of all hope, and the realization that his life is never going to get better. It will be different, sure, but he's a child. This is the end of his world.

Miller and Lee attach hope to Martha, and there's something there, isn't there? They position her as a nurturing figure, as support and succor, and when his parents are killed, she's the one Bruce goes to for comfort. She's the one he goes to first. "Maybe they aren't dead," is what his actions are saying. But, no: They are. His mother is gone. And he is lost.

In All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, Alfred says that Martha never knew her son. He's right. You can never tell how someone is going to turn out. A sweet kid could pull the wings off flies in private, and a bully might be an utter romantic with the right girl. Martha knew her son as a wild child, someone who would climb and crawl and fall. As she died, she watched her son "become a demon," Alfred says. The murder knocked all of the innocence out of him like a punch to the stomach.

Tie Alfred's statement together with the death of the Waynes. Bruce Wayne watches and hears his mother die. While that's happening, she's looking directly into his eyes. As she dies, as the last vestige of hope in his life slips away, he is lost, and she witnesses it. What's left is the wildness, the darkness that haunted his childhood. It brings to mind a line from Dark Knight Returns: "My parents taught me a different lesson... lying on this street... shaking in deep shock... dying for no reason at all. They showed me that the world only makes sense when you force it to." The cold, hard side of the world poisoned his childhood, and after witnessing the death of his mother, Bruce turned toward the strength of his father to survive.

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Miller's take in All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder ties the death of Martha and the idea of hope with Batman's sadness and tenderness toward Robin. ASBAR takes place early in his career -- year two to be exact -- where Bruce is still playacting at being Batman. He's got a Clint Eastwood growl that he creates by way of a razor held between his teeth. He laughs like a loon when diving in to fight crime. He's building a persona, one which will be whittled down over the years into the platonic ideal of Batman.

When Batman is dealing with Robin, however, there are little bursts of sadness that erupt out of him in defiance of his carefully calculated "hard man in a hard world" persona. These bursts come when Martha slips in front of his Thomas Wayne facade. She creeps in around the edges of the cape and cowl, whispering that everything will be okay when his father tells him to buck up and stand tall. She's a crack in Batman's facade, but -- that isn't quite right. Martha's influence isn't a weakness. It's what Batman needs in order to be a well-rounded crime fighter. He needs to be able to show genuine kindness to people and to believe in hope, otherwise he's no different from the Punisher.

Bruce Wayne is a product of his upbringing, both the time he spent with his loving parents and witnessing their murder, and the result is a creature that's initially torn between vengeance and hope, a monster who is so sure of what he believes in that he doesn't think that grief is a valid option for new draftees in his war, or that acceptance is healthy. Later, he realizes the error of his ways and manages to reconcile the influences of Martha and Thomas on his methods. At this point in his career, he sees himself as a general in a war. He wants soldiers, not people or family.

This will change. It has to, really. Will alone can only keep you going for so far. Hope lets you bridge the gap.


TENDERNESS: "Find them. Say Goodbye."

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So far, we have most of a Batman. We have the thirst for vengeance that birthed him, the will that powers him, and the rich inheritance that provides his means. We see hope creeping in around his edges, but it hasn't become fully part of him yet. Right now, at this moment in Batman's history, we have the makings of an urban legend and a night terror. Cops and criminals both know and fear him, as well they should, and the citizenry knows that there's a dark angel waiting in the shadows to protect them. There is someone out there with a spine, and he is on our side.

This Batman gets the job done, but he's far from pleasant. He's a little too hard-edged, a little too happy about getting to do some damage, and to be a comic book superhero. He's a shadow who lurks among shadows, and the problem with that is that there's no difference between one shadow or another in the night. One shadow can hold pain or pleasure, and you won't know which is which until it's too late. While it's clear that the Batman is a benevolent shadow, there's nothing to suggest that he won't become one of the other, darker shadows at some point in time.

Enter: Robin.

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The appeal of Robin is three-fold. He provides a character for young boys to relate to, a fact that is increasingly irrelevant to us in the real world as time goes on. He brightens and tempers Batman's methods, turning him into a four-color hero instead of a bastard child of The Shadow. Finally, he provides a fix for Bruce Wayne, who wasn't a victim of arrested development so much as was alternate development. As children, we played with toys and wore capes. He played detective and learned science. He isn't stunted, not really. He's just different.

It wasn't the death of his parents that made Bruce Wayne antisocial; it was the quest that followed. He wanted to become the greatest detective slash crimefighter ever, and that quest left very little room for playtime or proms or the standard socializing everyone else does. Everything became either a tool for his war or irrelevant. This doesn't preclude Bruce Wayne entirely from maintaining relationships, romantic or otherwise, but it's clear that his deepest relationship is with Alfred. Poor Alfred, who was swept up in his quest and has merely managed to hang on for dear life while enabling his charge to pursue his goal.

Bruce Wayne grew up, but he didn't grow up like we did. You can see it in the romantic relationships he pursues as an adult (which generally have built-in trapdoors like "she's a villain" or "i can never tell her my secret") or his treatment of Jezebel Jet in Grant Morrison's Batman (where he appears to have turned love into a weapon). He has used a long string of starlets and debutantes as cover for his mission -– beards, essentially –- without a care for how they would feel about it. They, like everyone else, are tools. His company Wayne Enterprises is a tool, too, something that exists so that he can fight his war. Everything is either a weapon, a threat, or not worthy of attention.

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Robin is what changes that. Early in All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, Batman refers to grief as "the enemy." He goes on to say that "there's no time for grief. There's no room for grief. Grief turns into acceptance. Forgiveness. Grief forgives what can never be forgiven." Batman doesn't think that there's any room for acceptance in his war. He's driven by anger at the unfairness of life. If he'd taken time to accept what happened, to understand and move on, then he wouldn't have the edge that has made him so successful. He's a child lashing out after being hurt. It's just that his way of lashing out is stretched out over a long period of time than a thrown punch or pitched fit. Crime hurt Bruce Wayne, and he's going to hurt it right back.

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As a result, though, he pushed Dick Grayson, a twelve-year-old kid, too far, too soon. If you don't address your grief and anger, they'll rot and fester inside of you. Batman had years to work through his issues, with the help of Alfred and the dozens of masters he learned his craft from. He didn't not-grieve; he just grieved in a different way than most people would. He accepted that his parents were gone when he began fighting his war to ensure that no one else's parents would die that way.

Robin didn't have that advantage. Batman spent weeks training him, but that's the Cliff's Notes equivalent to spending your formative years walking the world. As a result, Robin nearly killed Green Lantern in what should have been a simple intimidation move. The anger and poison was bubbling just below the surface of Robin's heart, and when pressed, it spilled over. You have to release negative emotions somehow, and Batman's mistake was assuming that what worked for him would work for someone else. More than that, Batman's mistake was thinking that what worked for him actually worked for him.

After saving Green Lantern's life, Batman drives Robin to his parents' grave and tells him, "Find them. Say goodbye." Put differently: "Grieve." Robin hits the gravestone, a stand-in for the idea of the death of his parents, and collapses in despair. Batman's hand drops on his shoulder and they both cry in the rain, next to Robin's parents. "We mourn lives lost," Batman's monologue says, "including our own." They're damned, and there's no going back from here.

This is the moment when Bruce Wayne turns from the Bat-Man, a fearsome creature of the night, to Batman, a superhero with a cheerful kid sidekick. This forces Bruce into the role of nurturer, as well as avenger. He can't proceed along his path any more. It may not be self-destructive, but it is definitely damaging to a third party that's as close as Robin. He has to change and adjust, because otherwise he damned this child for nothing.

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This is when Bruce Wayne opens his Batman persona to include Martha. The heroism stops being something that only the male half of the Wayne family does and becomes a true family affair. Without Martha's hope, without her nurturing nature, Batman would've continued on in his mission as a general, rather than a man. Batman has to be able to bend, otherwise he's just a monster. He has to learn kindness, and it took Robin to do it.

Now, Batman has to become a father, instead of just a Dark Knight, and that means that the hope that his mother provided to him as a child is going to play a bigger and bigger part in his life. It shifts his quest from pure vengeance into something more. It's a splash of love, a love that he'd been keeping at a distance to keep his sword sharp, in a war that sorely needed it. Robin pulls Batman out of the shell he'd built around himself and into normal humanity. Robin is the secret to building a better Batman.
BUILDING A BETTER BATMAN: "Striking terror. Best part of the job."
It's interesting how easily all of this falls into place, and how much sense it makes. There's nothing in this that contradicts the idea of the Batman. You can see him reverting to his old ways when he pushes his friends and family away during stories like Bruce Wayne: Fugitive or War Games. And we see his new ways, too, in more positive examples like his slow crawl back to full mobility after Bane broke his back during Knightfall. Bruce's quick acceptance of Cassandra Cain, formerly Batgirl, and Damian Wayne, both of whom were raised by terrorists, shows the depths of the hope that Martha instilled in him. He doesn't believe that things can be better. He knows that things can be better, and if he has his way, things will be better.

You can see Robin's influence on Batman in how he interacts with his surrogate family. The coy disappearing act he plays with Jim Gordon, the acrobatics and banter with Dick Grayson, and the devilish grin he gets after carving a Z in Lex Luthor's face in Dark Knight Strikes Again all speak to the happiness that Robin brought to his life. That loosening up, that kindness, lets him open up and genuinely enjoy his lot in life and his family.

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At the heart of Frank Miller's Batman is a guy who goes home after a busy night out, kicks up his feet, reclines in his chair, and says "Striking terror. Best part of the job." He's satisfied, and without all three of these influences, he wouldn't be.
 
I really believe this series is dead. Maybe if Jim Lee spent less time on Twitter he could get some work done. Didn't he say the hold up wasn't Miller but him? Pfft. Get with it, I say!
 
If you're reading this Jim Lee, another month of disappointment has now passed. :cwink:
 
All-Star Batman and Robin are good to read as trade paperback or graphic novel but they're more like popcorn entertainment where i read it for the shock value than the great strytelling of the likes of Year One
 
Exactly! Popcorn entertainment. It's like watching a Michael Bay film. Although many of those aren't even entertaining... Hmm...
 

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