Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Part 1

[jmc]

I will say this about the 2001 Planet of the Apes, the make up work was fantastic and the 2-Disk DVD packed with extras.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Rick Baker is the man.

 

[redhawk23]

I Study Animation and work on the medium. I understand why people use it in live action movies, but it takes away the importance of the artist behind camera. Without them, those actors would look like silly people wearing weird clothes, but Serkis and his crew think that they make all the work. A good animator can make the same or even better work than any of those actors, and yes even than Serkis too, who said that animators were digital make up artists. Im sorry but that's an insult in my profession.

Unfortunately general audience have no idea of the process, I wish people were more informed about the process, but its how it is

"The process" tends to be front and center in the marketing for these kinds of films.


You'll notice its the animators and fx workers who are even elligible for awards, not Serkis-folk.

 

[redhawk23]

Animatronics, facial prosthetics, and miniatures are a dying art sadly. I'm just glad we've got director's like Guillermo Del Toro and Ridley Scott and others like them who insist on doing the special effects and sets in camera if possible. I love those massive sets and prosthetics and the animatronics. Always puts a smile on my face.

Model work has seen quite a bit more use in recent times, particularly in Nolan's films and a surprising amount in Elysium.

 

[redhawk23]

http://www.slashfilm.com/dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-prequel-shorts/

Check these out, 3 prequel short films "Before the Dawn."

 

[CapedCrusader14]

They're fantastic short films, loved The Story of the Gun the most.

 

[-Arya-]

Rise didn't really do much for me aside from Ceasar. He was a great character in a so so movie. Hopefully Dawn can alleviate my lukewarm reaction to Rise.

 

[Golgo-13]

I already know this film is going to be good. Very curious what film 3 will be about and if they're going to revamp the first Henston film at some point, seeing as how the Icarus is still part of the films continuity.

 

[TX85]

Was the Heston/Taylor reference in Rise just a nod to the old series or was it a tease for something later in the new that will connect to the original films?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I already know this film is going to be good. Very curious what film 3 will be about and if they're going to revamp the first Henston film at some point, seeing as how the Icarus is still part of the films continuity.

Partly the draw of the original was the twist of it being Earth all along and the Apes being the bad guys. This reboot essentially has the apes as the good guys at this point and the twist wouldn't be there so I'd like them to keep it different

 

[jmc]

Was the Heston/Taylor reference in Rise just a nod to the old series or was it a tease for something later in the new that will connect to the original films?

A nod more than anything else I'd say as this is a reboot, it's not connected in anyway to the original. You couldn't really do the original Planet of the Apes story in this reboot because there's no mystery about where the planet came from. In the original (and even the 2001 remake) we the audience were just as baffled as the lead character was with what was happening and where the apes came from. It wouldn't make much sense trying to do that story now because we already know the origin story.

 

[terry78]

I think they can still do it, but maybe not straight adapatuon of it.

 

[jmc]

I think they can still do it, but maybe not straight adapatuon of it.

It would have to be a completely different take on the original concept, Taylor (if that's his name) would have to learn that it's Earth very early on, there's no point stretching it out over 2 hours because it's not a surprise to anyone except the lead character. From there you could perhaps have him lead a revolt against the apes, a Christ like figure maybe to the humans who remain.

 

[Broseph44]

Rise didn't really do much for me aside from Ceasar. He was a great character in a so so movie. Hopefully Dawn can alleviate my lukewarm reaction to Rise.

I haven't seen the film yet. But I really think this film will do more then just alleviate your lukewarm reaction good sir haha.

 

[addison81]

I've been reading that prequel book, Firestorm and gotta say it's really good so far. Great backstory on Koba.

 

[Marvolo]

It would have to be a completely different take on the original concept, Taylor (if that's his name) would have to learn that it's Earth very early on, there's no point stretching it out over 2 hours because it's not a surprise to anyone except the lead character. From there you could perhaps have him lead a revolt against the apes, a Christ like figure maybe to the humans who remain.

I'm hoping this series keeps the ape society in the central protagonist role somehow, and make humans the continual antagonists. I wanna root for the apes in this series and maybe at the end of this series have apes and humans find a way to coexist and live in peace. Because I have zero interest in rooting for the humans over the apes. I can root for peace, but seeing the apes wiped out doesn't interest me at all. In fact it'd probably upset me a lot.

 

[Lord]

Inn Saturday i'm going to a cinema that has IMAX 3D, is this film worth watching in that format? I was thinking about watched TF 4, since they're usualy fun for the experience, but am tired of giving money to bad films while things like How to train your dragon 2 seem to bomb.

 

[DA_Champion]

Inn Saturday i'm going to a cinema that has IMAX 3D, is this film worth watching in that format? I was thinking about watched TF 4, since they're usualy fun for the experience, but am tired of giving money to bad films while things like How to train your dragon 2 seem to bomb.

If money is tight for you go watch the better movie, otherwise watch both.

Your ~$20 won't affect the gross, think only about whether or not it is worth it for you.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Might sound strange but I hope they keep the apes naked in the franchise, at most giving them rags and togas to wear. Them wearing full clothes like in the original would look strange on the more Ape-like Apes

 

[Bruce Malone]

I will say this about the 2001 Planet of the Apes, the make up work was fantastic and the 2-Disk DVD packed with extras.

It really was actually. It would have been dreadful had they went with CGI back then for the apes.

With all the things wrong with that movie the make-up and ape designs weren't it.

 

[Lord]

If money is tight for you go watch the better movie, otherwise watch both.

Your ~$20 won't affect the gross, think only about whether or not it is worth it for you.

Time's more of a problem, i'm not sure about watching TF 4 anymore, it does seem like the same again, the rating is quite low, which suggests it not being an improvement from the previous ones (though i found Dark of the Moon to offer some interesting spectacle), and from what i hear, the Dinobots aren't even in the movie until the last 20 minutes, which makes me even more uninterested. Then i also keep hearing and seeing that the Autobots are more *****y, killing aliens because "they're too ugly", or Optimus making an ultimatum about freedom, but threatening those who don't follow him with death.

I know this idea follow from the previous film, but i'm not a big fan of the great hero Optimus riping faces and shooting old bots in the face when they would be more help if taken for interrogating, it could work in a Punisher or Rambo movie, but not in a movie where the character is treated as the peak of heroism.

I'm just not sure if something like this is a worthy investment, when there are better movies around that won't give me the exact same thing again, and will offer more than just amazing visuals. How to Train Your Dragon 2 is probably no longer in IMAX 3D around here, but does Dawn of the Planet of the Apes actualy offer a good experience like that? Or is there barely any difference in 2D?

 

[Golgo-13]

Was the Heston/Taylor reference in Rise just a nod to the old series or was it a tease for something later in the new that will connect to the original films?

I believe that the Heston film is in the same continuity as these new films. They clearly showed the Icarus being lost in space. There's no reason it cannot lead into the same continuity. These films are just chronicling the events that take place before the Icarus crashes back on earth, thousands of years from now.

Now, i don't think they need to re-make the original Heston film, i just think that these new films should loosely be able to lead into it.

As far as the apes being good; yes, they are good now; but the original takes places thousands of years from the events of Rise/Dawn and obviously Caesar and co would be dead by then. Politics, war, could change the way the apes live and run things. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Dawn, the apes realize that co-existing with humans is not possible and that the only way to survive is to completely hunt them down and enslave them.

Also, as much i hate to say it, i can see Caesar being killed either in this film or the next, causing the apes to radically change the way they deal with humans.

 

[TX85]

I bet Gary Oldman's character kills/severely injures Cesar or one of the top apes at the end so that sets up the apes being more dominant and hostile against humans,The end of a third film could show a glimpse of the future/possible future of the world being like the first original movie

 

[Kane52630]

 

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