Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Part 1

[IncognitoWalrus]

I think the point of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes is that we shouldn't be rooting for a particular side. Both sides just want to survive, but I think the trailers make it clear that both sides' tendency toward violence is a tragic and ultimately dumb way to go about resolving problems.

Koba and Dreyfus are victims who have succumbed to the evil done unto them and become villains. I feel some sympathy for both, but they have chosen not to become better than their pasts.

Caesar and Malcolm are both sensible and trying to stop war, but like too many level-headed people in modern society, they get drowned out by extremist voices calling for radical actions.

Whereas the first movie was a warning about how we treat animals and how scientific advancement can backfire, the second is about how we treat those that are different from us and why violence only destroys rather than preserves.

 

[P Supreme]

Apes as stand ins for oppressed minority? Really? Some people just like to see metaphors everywhere it seems.

That's how I saw it aswell

 

[DarkKnight88]

Not everything has to be metaphors.

In the Apes series, EVERYTHING is a metaphor. See the original 5 movies.

 

[Sawyer]

Apes as stand ins for oppressed minority? Really? Some people just like to see metaphors everywhere it seems.

 

[MrMaooz]

In the first film I saw the apes as stand ins for "insert oppressed minority here." I'm black so that's probably the minority that I would use even though that's kinda funny because racist a-holes refer to us as apes as an insult but whatever I'm going with that probably cringeworthy comparison. That and the human characters being poorly written is why my sympathy was with the Apes.

This new film doesn't look as clear cut as the original, it seems like both sides are in the wrong to a certain degree. The Apes are cool though so I'll probably still continue to root for them over the humans.

Really? I thought James Franco's character was a well-done character. That's just me, though.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Not everything has to be metaphors. Those movies exist because it's interesting to see how our cruelty to animals (which is obviously very much reality based) turns against us, just a classic theme that has always worked.

@ I SEE SPIDEY: or some people aren't so susceptible.

Susceptible to analysing films? Guilty as charged.

Really? I thought James Franco's character was a well-done character. That's just me, though.

I've always been of the opinion that the humans held the film back from being perfect to me. I just didn't find them very compelling and it wasn't the actors fault. I liked Lithgow the best. Acting wise Franco was okay and he did his best with the thin character he had.

 

[terry78]

Basically the villains in this flick are Oldman and Koba. Everyone else is like reluctantly agreeing for peace but those two are the powderkeg trolls that are like, "see, I told you they were the bad guys!"

 

[Hurm...]

Apes as stand ins for oppressed minority? Really? Some people just like to see metaphors everywhere it seems.

...that's been a subtext throughout the entire franchise...

And it's not very subtle either. Especially in the original film. It's what makes the story so timeless. It addresses social issues through a science fiction setting.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

It's a metaphor, you see. You put the Apes in the oppressed minority but you don't give them the power to rise up.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Also in the original series the oppressed and oppressor switched roles multiple times.There are also allegories to the Vietnam war as well as other things throughout history.

 

[Team Andino]

Finally saw the viral video expanding on the virus from the end credits of the last film, I thought it was a cool concept then and I'm glad to see it somewhat expanded on to explain the current climate for the new movie.

 

[Lord]

which blows my mind because I flat out hated burtons take and knew a bunch of people who felt the same. I thought it was bland and had fake looking sets and flat human characters. The only redeeming factor in that movie for me was Tim Roth and the ape suits which were leaps and bonds ahead of the originals.

I watched the film years ago, i was some 10 years old, and while i found it somewhat bland compared to other Burton films (i loved his style at the time with films like Batman, Jack and Charlie), i remember somewhat liking it, years later i would watch the original films.

The Apes franchise actualy has a mostly weak run, 1 and 3 are good, but the other ones were moslty weak until Rise of the Planet of the Apes came.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I root for Caesar, but not for Koba

Koba is a victim. i feel sorry for him and i understand him.

"became what he beheld"

Caesar is Charles Xavier, Koba is Magneto

Dawn of The Planet of The X-Apes

 

[Lord]

I actualy like Magneto more than Koba

It's not that i don't think he's a well made character, after the trailers and teasers i'm just freaking scared of Koba.

 

[dark_b]

Magneto doesnt have fur,big scar and long teeth that can pull your skin from your face. haha

 

[The Endless]

Did someone just say there is no metaphors or allegories to real world themes in the Apes movies? Bwaahh...?

 

[DA_Champion]

I liked Tim Burton's take when I watched it in theatres. Aside from enjoying the movie itself, Estella Warren was hot in that movie. I also liked the ending.

For the original movies, I enjoyed the first movie, but the second one was so boring that I never bothered with what came after.

 

[Hurm...]

I ****ing hate Burton's movie. Horrible film.

 

[The Endless]

I thought the Apes themselves were awesome. Tim Roth was unbelievable in that film.

 

[Kane52630]

I enjoyed it, costumes/make up in particular... I just treat it as a elseworlds comic.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I didn't like Burton's movie for the most part.The sets,costumes,Makeup look great.Visually it looks really nice.The story was just...bad.It felt liked it needed in my opinion like one more rewrite.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

It's a metaphor, you see. You put the Apes in the oppressed minority but you don't give them the power to rise up.

Get outta here, Augustus Waters

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah, get a grip Augustus Waters!

 

[Aesop Rocks]

 

[JP]

Wonder if we'll ever see the Apes closer to their original appearances in these films. I kinda like that they still look and act like normal apes. Feels more threatening then if they were standing up straight and speaking perfect English.