DC Animated - All-Star Superman

[FCEEVIPER]

I just DL this, very well made. 4 out of 5 *

 

[snookie16]

I watch it but the voices were too soft to be Lois and Clark/Superman were too soft to be the characters. I feel it indifferent about the movie not bad and not good. I perfer Superman/Doomsday movie over this one.

 

[Artistsean]

This movie was great, I LOVED it. Even how the changed the ending.
[BLACKOUT]I loved Luthor, thanks to having Superman's powers, being able to see how he sees and actually learning from it and seeing all his mistakes. Its such a great ending. And then Luthor, accepting his punishment of a death sentence, he actually gives blueprints to a Superman cloning project to ensure there will always be a Superman (after Superman went to the Sun). That is how Luthor's story should end, not necissarily with Superman punching him out but with Superman making him see the error of his ways and getting him to change for the better.[/BLACKOUT]
That was a great ending, I loved the original ending of the comic too, but this ending was a great rewrite.

 

[Mr. Earle]

This movie was great, I LOVED it. Even how the changed the ending.
[BLACKOUT]I loved Luthor, thanks to having Superman's powers, being able to see how he sees and actually learning from it and seeing all his mistakes. Its such a great ending. And then Luthor, accepting his punishment of a death sentence, he actually gives blueprints to a Superman cloning project to ensure there will always be a Superman (after Superman went to the Sun). That is how Luthor's story should end, not necissarily with Superman punching him out but with Superman making him see the error of his ways and getting him to change for the better.[/BLACKOUT]
That was a great ending, I loved the original ending of the comic too, but this ending was a great rewrite.

There is a theory about the book that [BLACKOUT]Leo Quintum is future Lex Luthor who came back to make amends for his evil deeds, so if you believe it, Lex repented in the comics as well, but in a less obvious way.[/BLACKOUT] Of course with a comic book you have the chance to read it more carefully, pay more attention to the visual clues and all that, so it wouldnt have worked in the movie, at least not without them making it terribly obvious in some way which i dont think would have pleased Morrison. I think he wants to leave that theory ambiguous so that each reader can take what he wants from the story.

Of course there are people who are not buying the theory but we all know how much Morrison loves time travel shenanigans, so take it as you will.

 

[Artistsean]

Part of the ending that I like, not because of this, but [BLACKOUT]part of the ending that I like is that Lex completely changes his ways even though he is sentenced to death. He isn't trying to get out of it, he knows he will die and soon. He has accepted his sentence, but he still helps from his cell. For him to be Leo, that would mean he didn't die. Somehow that takes some emphasis out of his change for me.[/BLACKOUT]
Not saying that the comic shouldn't or didn't imply that idea, I'll have to read it closer some time I guess.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Part of the ending that I like, not because of this, but [BLACKOUT]part of the ending that I like is that Lex completely changes his ways even though he is sentenced to death. He isn't trying to get out of it, he knows he will die and soon. He has accepted his sentence, but he still helps from his cell. For him to be Leo, that would mean he didn't die. Somehow that takes some emphasis out of his change for me.[/BLACKOUT]
Not saying that the comic shouldn't or didn't imply that idea, I'll have to read it closer some time I guess.

In the book Lex isnt sentenced to death. The narration boxes tell us that without Superman, Lex fell into obscurity. "What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? They surrender."

So that is the official ending for Lex in the book. But if you look at the clues then you might buy into the Leo theory, as in Lex repented and went into the past to make up for his evil deeds. "If you wanted to do good, you would have done so years ago" Superman tells Lex.

And in the end Superman makes the formula for his reproduction with Lois himself, giving it to Leo before he flies to fix the sun.
- You trust me with this? What if i was the devil?
- I think i'm a good judge of character.

From this scene we get the following:
1) Why did Leo say that if he was an ally all along? If he was Lex, then yeah he has been helping all this time, but to be trusted with Superman's lineage? He must have been surprised to see Superman trust him that much. In other words why would Morrison make such a big deal out of this? Would Lucious have asked Batman that? No, because he is a de facto ally.

2) Superman and Clark have been trying to "save" Lex throughout the whole story. Superman tells Leo that he is a good judge of character, so he must have known about Lex's potential to be trying to save him all along. Not only that, but SM can use his microscopic vision to read DNA strands, so he must have read Lex's DNA in Leo. The thing is that SM believes in him, like he believed in him all along, even when he was Lex.

There's also the scene about Lex's monkey called Leopold, dressed in superman's suit to mock him, so what a better gesture to show his true remorse than to take the name of the monkey (Leopold = Leo)? The scene was omitted in the movie because it served no purpose, since Lex got a different ending.


The monkey having the same name as Leo, Leo and Lex wearing the same coats only with different colours (Leo's rainbow coat symbolizing what he saw with Superman's powers perhaps?), both holding their hands behind their backs, Leo being suprised with Superman's trust, etc are clues that they are the same person.

Not only that, but the ending of Red Son was Morrison's idea from when he and Millar were pitching a Superman retcon to DC and he let Millar use it in Red Son, and it is believed that he wanted to surpass that in his Superman epic. And he surpassed it indeed, with Superman achieving the ultimate moral victory, by changing and therefore saving Lex. Superman is a super-jesus in the DCU, but seeing him become that for his ultimate enemy? This theory makes for probably the best, most uplifting and heart warming ending to SM and Lex's rivalry and its too good to just be a coincidence. There are no coincidences with Morrison.

Finally, Morrison loves time traveling stories with people going to the past and being responsible for things we see in the present or future, plus he is well known for his uplifting and optimistic endings. DC One Million and Return of Bruce Wayne are testaments to that. Even the All Star chapter about Pa Kent is a testament to that, with present Superman masking himself to go back to the past to see his father one last time.

 

[Drz]

Part of the ending that I like, not because of this, but [BLACKOUT]part of the ending that I like is that Lex completely changes his ways even though he is sentenced to death. He isn't trying to get out of it, he knows he will die and soon. He has accepted his sentence, but he still helps from his cell. For him to be Leo, that would mean he didn't die. Somehow that takes some emphasis out of his change for me.[/BLACKOUT]
Not saying that the comic shouldn't or didn't imply that idea, I'll have to read it closer some time I guess.

Yeah Morrrison enjoyed the ending too alot, he praises how the dvd's story has Lex Luthor redeem himself from his criminal past, while the actual comic book never does.

 

[Midnight Black]

So, I didn't know where to put this, I guess it could have gone under Superman films, but it seems all of those pertain to live action. My question for the hardcore Supe fans is this:

In All-Star Superman it was discussed that, "Superman can see radiation waves, gamma, alpha, beta, see how things work and the connectivity of everything on Earth and presumably the galaxy."

Is this concept or power of Superman something that has been discussed in the comics and is canon or is this something that was introduced in one issue or story arc and then never touched on again?

 

[bullets]

I finally saw this and enjoyed the animation , voicework , and the story. Only thing was I haven't read the comic so characters and certain parts seemed completely random. It felt like I was watching a show but missed the earlier episodes. I suppose that's my fault for not reading but I could see it confusing people.

 

[Midnight Black]

I finally saw this and enjoyed the animation , voicework , and the story. Only thing was I haven't read the comic so characters and certain parts seemed completely random. It felt like I was watching a show but missed the earlier episodes. I suppose that's my fault for not reading but I could see it confusing people.

Yeah, things did seem random, but I guess that is what they were going for. I did enjoy how the 4 stories somewhat tied together.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Its supposedly Superman's 12 feats of strength (like Hercules') before he died, although the movie cut out a few of them. Atlas mentions them, but you dont see all of them in the movie.

 

[Midnight Black]

Makes sense. I got a sense of that, but didn't thing about it too much. Thanks.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah the feats are a bit random, but each one of them has its theme and it references some part of the mythos. For example the 2 kryptonians that he saves reminded me of Mon-El who he also put in the Phantom Zone till he could find a cure. Then there was an issue about Jimmy drinking a serum and becoming Doomsday to stop Superman who was under red K (i think it was red K. It might have been black... i dunno) which referenced the crazy adventures of jimmy in the old books, as well as Doomsday, and so on.

The book was like a celebration of various parts of the mythos, a revisit if you like, right before Superman dies. But at the same time Morrison had Superman achieve a great victory with Lex and defeated the DC:1.000.000 villain, Solaris (Lex and Solaris were in the movie too). But you dont get the whole book in the movie so its natural that things seem random.

You guys should get the comic book. Its one of the best i've ever read and definitely the best Superman story imho.

 

[bullets]

I've been meaning to check that out. I thought it was sad how enthusiastic Superman was to meet fellow Krytonians and then they just brush him off.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

I watch it a month ago. My favorite dc animated film by far. This made me realize why I LOVE Superman so much. Just awesome.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I've been meaning to check that out. I thought it was sad how enthusiastic Superman was to meet fellow Krytonians and then they just brush him off.

Yeah those guys were total *****ebags.

 

[Drz]

I've been meaning to check that out. I thought it was sad how enthusiastic Superman was to meet fellow Krytonians and then they just brush him off.

All Star Superman whole collection tradepack is coming this October, much better than getting 2 volumes or Absolute edition which is very pricy.