DC Animated - Superman/Batman: Public Enemies

I just saw Public Enemies... it was very good, not better then Wonder Woman, New Frontier or Green Lantern IMO, but far better then Superman: Doomsday. I actually really liked Power Girl and Luthor (love to hate him).

The animation however was my least favorite thing about the film. WW and GL are gorgeously animated and this looked off to me.
 
surprised at how much i enjoyed it.

animation actually impressed me, though i haven't watched much dc animation since justice league unlimited. story is altered a bit from the comic, and i think overall the story is improved.
 
God it was great to hear Daley back as Superman, particularly with the chemistry he and Conroy have. Save for Brown as Luthor. Didn't think much of the guy playing Alfred though. Was Zimbalist not available?
 
just an overall kicka$$ film with the right amount of sarcastic jabs thrown in for the fans. the animation was mighty and it may be my fav rendition of batman on tv yet.
cannot get over it. watched for the 2nd time.
now give us kingdom come !!!
 
Man how is this getting to every one early?
 
The "three color" credits are fairly interesting. Very "INCREDIBLES". Sort of a timeless, patriotic rundown of the characters in the movie. Right off the bat, there's some good music. Good sound work all around.

Then the film opens with cultural buzzwords to bring us up to speed. I have no idea why this is relevant. Oh, it's so we know that this is our world. With economy and terrorism issues. Ok, I can get on board with that. Lex Luthor isn't President yet, which I thought was great, until suddenly he WAS President, and any depth about his Presidency and his obtaining it was gone. Apparently he was a bad guy and now he's...well, not, and he's President. Half of what makes Luthor's rise and time as President so interesting is the way he got to the Presidency, and literally none of that is found here. He just apparently "buys" the Presidency after only having a 22 percent approval rating and ranting about superheroes and aliens.

Luthor's bit about heroes being above the law in the beginning when he's speaking...it makes sense in realistic terms, but in a world where these metahumans have saved the world a hundred times over...it just makes little sense for a crowd to buy it. It's hard to believe the public would turn against the heroes, especially when we never SEE it, and th efilm lacks weight in any real sense on this issue. Luthor's ranting about aliens has little weight, becuase it's literally just that: "These aliens have too much power".

Black Lightning, Captain Atom, Power Girl, Katana and Major Force are...five random government operatives? Because...oh, they're not going to even bother with that. I guess these four just bought into Luthor's ranting. And this is one of my key disappointments with this movie. This angle could have been explored, even a little, and come across as fairly compelling. Captain Atom could have been a compelling element to this movie. He was, however, not, and was portrayed just as shallowly as everything else.

There is a RIDICULOUS amount of exposition during the sports car chase sequence. "This man's car has X amount of horsepower, a top speed of 200 MPH, and as such, can go faster than any police car". Wow, really Mr. Newscaster? Are you from the Five Year Old News? Because we certainly cannot see the car escaping the police cars. Which leads me to ask: Why is Superman dive bombing that close to helicopters in the first place? To show off?

The character designs basically suck. Welcome back to early 90's animation designs. Captain Atom in particular just looks absurd. They all look like Frankenstein-ish toys, and lack fluidity. And Superman has breasts. Womanly breasts, that jiggle back and forth. They all remind me of Blammoids. Ok...it's not that bad, but they DO lack fluidity, and it is pretty awkward looking anytime they move.

Then the Kryptonite meteor comes into the story. Does the government discover the meteor in a dramatic sequence? Hells to the no. It's just been under observation all along. Why is there a Kryptonite meteor approaching Earth? Why, who the hell knows? I guess it's so they have a threat Superman cannot stop singlehandedly. A decent exchange between Waller and Luthor about heroes saves this scene.

Right off the bat, you can tell that Daly and Conroy are going to be very good. Good exchange between Batman and Superman in the cave. Disappointing not to see the cave in all its glory, but nice to see Batman just working on something while they talk. Daly and Conroy really do still have great chemistry together, and all my worries about them voicing these character designs quickly melted away. Daly, in particular, just steps right back into the role with aplomb.

It's kind of lame that Superman and Luthor work together for all of ten seconds. Real lame, in fact. Sort of makes that element, you know, pointless. The fight between Superman and Metallo is incredibly random. Not digging Metallo's design, and the fight itself is awkwardly animated, and sort of choreographed like a videogame. Weird roll up and through the chain link fence and then tumbling though a graveyard for half a mile? Whatever.

Decent "sense of humor" exchange between Batman and Superman when they're trapped in the grave. Thank goodness the cemetary happens to be built over the old sewer system. Nice nod to their first meeting in the comics while they're in the sewer (The Magpie reference). For the only time in the film, the voicework is iffy here. They just sound silly pretending to be hurt and concerned for each other. A bit too much grunting and groaning.

Luthor's frameup of Superman is slightly different than the comic verison. Radiation affecting Superman's mind? Well...ok. I guess that's sort of palpable. Makes more sense than people thinking Superman is behind a Kryptonite meteor coming to Earth, I guess. Not that we ever find out why there's a Kryptonite meteor coming to Earth.

Silver Banshee was random, but kind of cool.

The various ice criminals were nice to see. I thought something freaking amazing was going to happen when Batman yelled "Bring the heat!". Nope.

Batman kicking Grundy's ass was kinda cool.

Grodd must be the dumbest evil genius/telepath ever.

Wait, Shiva doesn't give Batman any trouble except when she ***** slaps him?

Does anyone care about Nightshade? Why was Nightshade in this movie?

It was nice to see some of the villains assembling, but some of them looked terrible, dunno if it was animation or what. I do know that Deadshot's animation, with his spinning colorform guns, was pretty bad.

Oh, and Black Lightning can fly. Can he fly now in the comics other than in INFINITE CRISIS? Did I miss something? He also seems to have super strength.

Also, apparently Power Girl is useless. Her breasts did get bigger and bigger with each scene, though, which helped for the obligatory Power Girl breast jokes toward the end of the film. Still, pretty damn useless, and led to the death of Captain Atom. Though I see now why they killed Atom the way they did, I fail to see how Captain Atom sacrificing himself to drain MF's energy is much more dramatic than the end of the original. It felt sort of anticlimactic.

Batman and Superman VS Captain Marvel and Hawkman was kinda cool. The Billy Batson actor's "Shazam.", however, might be the worst "Shazam!" ever. Ever.

Toyman should have been set up earlier. HATED his voice actor. If you're going to make a Japanese character, and make him look like a half-animate Japanese character, then for goodness sake make him sound Japanese, don't make him "vaguely American" for the hell of it.

Who would have thought that injecting Kryptonite into your blood would give you superstrength? And...Luthor's crazy makeout session with Waller? Not so thrilling.

And then whoever plotted and directed and storyboarded this movie managed to give away the Captain Marvel/Hawkman switcheroo as early as humanly possible.

And it just got kind of ridiculous from there. Absolutely horrible dialogue here and there, especially from "Crazy Luthor". I really feel for Clancy Brown, who voiced the role fairly well, but who has almost nothing to work with after the first few scenes. Waller is a redeeming element of the end of the film, but it's got no depth to it.

The composite Batman/Superman robot is kind of cool in a nostalgic way, but mostly just really absurd. It comes from nowhere, and suffers a bit for it. As I said, Toyman and his various elements needed to be set up earlier. "My contact" and "That kid from Japan" just isn't enough to hint at such a character.

Superman chasing Luthor in the Battlesuit was pretty sweet. "Consider yourself...impeached" was not.

The end, with Superman wasting no time in rescuing Batman, is a nice moment between the two. It would have been nice to have seen a bit more of that kind of thing throughout the movie.

So...

-Do we get Superman and Batman's origins and how they intersect? Nope.

-Any idea of how these two are similar and different? Nope, save for a few puns, and the obvious differences. They're both pretty violent and angry most of the time.

-Do we get them breaking into the White House? Nope, they're hanging out in various government hangars.

There are some great moments in SUPERMAN/BATMAN: PUBLIC ENEMIES. But they are few and far between, sandwiched in between what I feel are mostly pretty darn average and often awkwardly animated action sequences and stock or downright bad dialogue. Overall, I feel this is a disappointing movie and a disappointing adaption. The source material wasn't THAT strong, but it was better than this.

With WONDER WOMAN and GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT I was disappointed because they touched on things and never followed through. Here, there are elements they don't even touch on that would have enriched the story and the characters. I'm getting very tired of half-ass DC DTV movies. I'm tired of them getting shorter and shorter, and shallower and shallower. For every step in the right direction, there are two steps in the wrong one. A few veiled curse words and some boob jokes do not an adult, or a good film make.

6/10, because it's animated well for the most part, because Conroy and Daly are on the entire time, and because someone managed to punch up the script with a few clever elements. Disappointing otherwise. Needed a much longer runtime, and a much better writing team.
 
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The Guard said:
The "three color" credits are fairly interesting. Very "INCREDIBLES". Sort of a timeless, patriotic rundown of the characters in the movie. Right off the bat, there's some good music. Good sound work all around.

Then the film opens with cultural buzzwords to bring us up to speed. I have no idea why this is relevant. Oh, it's so we know that this is our world. With economy and terrorism issues. Ok, I can get on board with that. Lex Luthor isn't President yet, which I thought was great, until suddenly he WAS President, and any depth about his Presidency and his obtaining it was gone. Apparently he was a bad guy and now he's...well, not, and he's President. Half of what makes Luthor's rise and time as President so interesting is the way he got to the Presidency, and literally none of that is found here. He just apparently "buys" the Presidency after only having a 22 percent approval rating and ranting about superheroes and aliens.

Luthor's bit about heroes being above the law in the beginning when he's speaking...it makes sense in realistic terms, but in a world where these metahumans have saved the world a hundred times over...it just makes little sense for a crowd to buy it. It's hard to believe the public would turn against the heroes, especially when we never SEE it, and th efilm lacks weight in any real sense on this issue. Luthor's ranting about aliens has little weight, becuase it's literally just that: "These aliens have too much power".

Black Lightning, Captain Atom, Power Girl, Katana and Major Force are...five random government operatives? Because...oh, they're not going to even bother with that. I guess these four just bought into Luthor's ranting. And this is one of my key disappointments with this movie. This angle could have been explored, even a little, and come across as fairly compelling. Captain Atom could have been a compelling element to this movie. He was, however, not, and was portrayed just as shallowly as everything else.

There is a RIDICULOUS amount of exposition during the sports car chase sequence. "This man's car has X amount of horsepower, a top speed of 200 MPH, and as such, can go faster than any police car". Wow, really Mr. Newscaster? Are you from the Five Year Old News? Because we certainly cannot see the car escaping the police cars. Which leads me to ask: Why is Superman dive bombing that close to helicopters in the first place? To show off?

The character designs basically suck. Welcome back to early 90's animation designs. Captain Atom in particular just looks absurd. They all look like Frankenstein-ish toys, and lack fluidity. And Superman has breasts. Womanly breasts, that jiggle back and forth. They all remind me of Blammoids. Ok...it's not that bad, but they DO lack fluidity, and it is pretty awkward looking anytime they move.

Then the Kryptonite meteor comes into the story. Does the government discover the meteor in a dramatic sequence? Hells to the no. It's just been under observation all along. Why is there a Kryptonite meteor approaching Earth? Why, who the hell knows? I guess it's so they have a threat Superman cannot stop singlehandedly. A decent exchange between Waller and Luthor about heroes saves this scene.

Right off the bat, you can tell that Daly and Conroy are going to be very good. Good exchange between Batman and Superman in the cave. Disappointing not to see the cave in all its glory, but nice to see Batman just working on something while they talk. Daly and Conroy really do still have great chemistry together, and all my worries about them voicing these character designs quickly melted away. Daly, in particular, just steps right back into the role with aplomb.

It's kind of lame that Superman and Luthor work together for all of ten seconds. Real lame, in fact. Sort of makes that element, you know, pointless. The fight between Superman and Metallo is incredibly random. Not digging Metallo's design, and the fight itself is awkwardly animated, and sort of choreographed like a videogame. Weird roll up and through the chain link fence and then tumbling though a graveyard for half a mile? Whatever.

Decent "sense of humor" exchange between Batman and Superman when they're trapped in the grave. Thank goodness the cemetary happens to be built over the old sewer system. Nice nod to their first meeting in the comics while they're in the sewer (The Magpie reference). For the only time in the film, the voicework is iffy here. They just sound silly pretending to be hurt and concerned for each other. A bit too much grunting and groaning.

Luthor's frameup of Superman is slightly different than the comic verison. Radiation affecting Superman's mind? Well...ok. I guess that's sort of palpable. Makes more sense than people thinking Superman is behind a Kryptonite meteor coming to Earth, I guess. Not that we ever find out why there's a Kryptonite meteor coming to Earth.

Silver Banshee was random, but kind of cool.

The various ice criminals were nice to see. I thought something freaking amazing was going to happen when Batman yelled "Bring the heat!". Nope.

Batman kicking Grundy's ass was kinda cool.

Grodd must be the dumbest evil genius/telepath ever.

Wait, Shiva doesn't give Batman any trouble except when she ***** slaps him?

Does anyone care about Nightshade? Why was Nightshade in this movie?

It was nice to see some of the villains assembling, but some of them looked terrible, dunno if it was animation or what. I do know that Deadshot's animation, with his spinning colorform guns, was pretty bad.

Oh, and Black Lightning can fly. Can he fly now in the comics other than in INFINITE CRISIS? Did I miss something? He also seems to have super strength.

Also, apparently Power Girl is useless. Her breasts did get bigger and bigger with each scene, though, which helped for the obligatory Power Girl breast jokes toward the end of the film. Still, pretty damn useless, and led to the death of Captain Atom. Though I see now why they killed Atom the way they did, I fail to see how Captain Atom sacrificing himself to drain MF's energy is much more dramatic than the end of the original. It felt sort of anticlimactic.

Batman and Superman VS Captain Marvel and Hawkman was kinda cool. The Billy Batson actor's "Shazam.", however, might be the worst "Shazam!" ever. Ever.

Toyman should have been set up earlier. HATED his voice actor. If you're going to make a Japanese character, and make him look like a half-animate Japanese character, then for goodness sake make him sound Japanese, don't make him "vaguely American" for the hell of it.

Who would have thought that injecting Kryptonite into your blood would give you superstrength? And...Luthor's crazy makeout session with Waller? Not so thrilling.

And then whoever plotted and directed and storyboarded this movie managed to give away the Captain Marvel/Hawkman switcheroo as early as humanly possible.

And it just got kind of ridiculous from there. Absolutely horrible dialogue here and there, especially from "Crazy Luthor". I really feel for Clancy Brown, who voiced the role fairly well, but who has almost nothing to work with after the first few scenes. Waller is a redeeming element of the end of the film, but it's got no depth to it.

The composite Batman/Superman robot is kind of cool in a nostalgic way, but mostly just really absurd. It comes from nowhere, and suffers a bit for it. As I said, Toyman and his various elements needed to be set up earlier. "My contact" and "That kid from Japan" just isn't enough to hint at such a character.

Superman chasing Luthor in the Battlesuit was pretty sweet. "Consider yourself...impeached" was not.

The end, with Superman wasting no time in rescuing Batman, is a nice moment between the two. It would have been nice to have seen a bit more of that kind of thing throughout the movie.

So...

-Do we get Superman and Batman's origins and how they intersect? Nope.

-Any idea of how these two are similar and different? Nope, save for a few puns, and the obvious differences. They're both pretty violent and angry most of the time.

-Do we get them breaking into the White House? Nope, they're hanging out in various government hangars.

There are some great moments in SUPERMAN/BATMAN: PUBLIC ENEMIES. But they are few and far between, sandwiched in between what I feel are mostly pretty darn average and often awkwardly animated action sequences and stock or downright bad dialogue. Overall, I feel this is a disappointing movie and a disappointing adaption. The source material wasn't THAT strong, but it was better than this.

With WONDER WOMAN and GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT I was disappointed because they touched on things and never followed through. Here, there are elements they don't even touch on that would have enriched the story and the characters. I'm getting very tired of half-ass DC DTV movies. I'm tired of them getting shorter and shorter, and shallower and shallower. For every step in the right direction, there are two steps in the wrong one. A few veiled curse words and some boob jokes do not an adult, or a good film make.

6/10, because it's animated well for the most part, because Conroy and Daly are on the entire time, and because someone managed to punch up the script with a few clever elements. Disappointing otherwise. Needed a much longer runtime, and a much better writing team.
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Still better than anything Marvel has put out
 
I figured the animation/character designs would kill this to a degree.

JackIvyGB said:
I think the issue with the animation that some seem to be describing as "off" is that when you look at EM's original work, there's a thickness to the line, a roundness to the characters, and just an overall sort of cartoony aesthetic (I would almost describe it as like a more muscled and mature "superhero squad" type look) to his style that seems to have been mishandled during the translation to animation. The absence of these elements leaves everything very empty to a degree, especially since the art of the story this was based on had such a distinctive visual flavor to it that we can so readily compare the 2 images in our heads. Whereas EM drew a superman that was bulging with muscle, those same mucles have an awkwardly carved look to them here. On the whole, the characters seem to have lost a bit of the mass they had in the book, and become more angular and rigid as well. The scenes don't feel as fluid as they could and maybe should feel as a result of it. That thickness of line from the original art that isn't here also gives everything a sort of lack of weight.

I agree that the use of CGI in the scenes we've seen isn't very appealing. I found the ship crashing and other elements of the recent green lantern DTV to be decent and undistracting, but here, everything is so geometric and simple when that car pulls up, it is an eyesore.

Another thing I noticed is the color pallete seems to lack a certain depth and richness that would make the scenes pop. It seems like someone's got the brightness turned up a couple notches too high. Superman Doomsday, Gotham Knight, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, they all had very vibrant and alive color palletes. This feels somewhat washed out, again, contradicting the very vibrant and popping colors from the book. I don't know, maybe not to the degree it sounds like I am talking about, but something is missing. It feels like it could be a bit darker color-wise. Darker may not be the right word though...
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And yeah, Marvel needs to get their act together in the DTV realm. Regardless of what can be said about how the DC films have been executed, at least they've all been relevant stories that were either big storylines from the comics (New Frontier, Superman Doomsday (at least in theory), Superman Batman: Public Enemies), the heroes origin story (Green Lantern First Flight, Wonder Woman), or tied into the live action properties (Batman: Gotham Knight).

Other than Ironman and Dr. Strange, which for awhile made it seem like Marvel was getting better and better at it, they've basically sucked. Ultimate avengers had horrible animation and really nothing to do with the Ultimates other than "Uh, we got these Avenger dudes brought together by Nick Fury to fight some aliens", then we got Avengers Babies, and up next it's Kid Thor and Hulk in Space (SPACe SPAce SPace Space space...)

Why aren't we getting Kraven's Last Hunt, Civil War, Millar's Marvel Knights Spidey, Astonishing XMen, or any of that? A solid Dardevil or F4 animated film could be just the thing to get a little bit more buzz for a reboot of those!

Anyway, back on topic. I'll definitely at least give this a look with a rental. The other films have had me sold since the first trailer or still images, but the clips here and the visuals aren't really doing anything to excite me.

Crisis on 2 Earths is already bought in my mind though. The visuals and story there look really spiffy!
 
Better than anything Marvel's put out? Eh. I dunno. Seems to me that Marvel's DTV movies tend to have at least a modicum of character depth and storytelling attempt to them. And this is coming from a DC guy, mind you. DC movies have apparently decided the only motivation their characters need to is to hit things and say puns.

You talk about what the DC movies have done right, but you can say much the same about Marvel. DR. STRANGE and IRON MAN were origins with elements lifted right from the comics. ULTIMATE AVENGERS was a decent adaption of THE ULTIMATES (it was basically the first storyline, watered down of course) and THE AVENGERS, all things considered, for a slightly younger market. ULTIMATE AVENGERS 2 had a decent take on Black Panther and a nice continuation of the Avengers storyline. The HULK VS movies, while not great stories in any sense, have much better action and visuals than pretty much anything DC has been able to muster. Even though I think it's silly as hell, PLANET HULK is getting good early buzz as far as action goes.

SPIDER-MAN and THE FANTASTIC FOUR had recent animated series (Didn't the Hulk, too?). The X-Men has had TWO pretty decent animated series in the last few years, X-MEN: EVOLUTION and WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. DC's had KRYPTO: THE SUPER DOG, TEEN TITANS and LEGION OF SUPERHEROES, and BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD.

I think they're both doing ok in the animation department as far as basic concepts and volume goes. I just don't think there's been anything stellar to come out of either studio.
 
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well i got to watch it for my self earlier this afternoon. Overall i thought it was a decent film. I agree it should have been longer, but we know they only get a fixed budget for these dtvs and all that. It was great to see/hear kevin/tim/clancy again in the roles everyone loves. I thought they each did well. Also another BTAS/STAS/JL actor was in the film too CCH punder for waller again.

As for the animation i thought it was pretty good, and i liked the character designs. I wished more of the heroes/villains got speaking roles, because only heroes who had the most were power girl/captain atom/ major force.

I do agree again the story could have been a bit better. Maybe with a longer script they could have developed certain elements more. Though this is only the 4th DTV film of the bunch i have seen fully. I still need to see all of wonder woman. So in the end i thought it was good, not great so i give it a 6 out of 10 myself. Hopefully that jl one will be better.
 
The Guard said:
Better than anything Marvel's put out? Eh. I dunno. Seems to me that Marvel's DTV movies tend to have at least a modicum of character depth and storytelling attempt to them. And this is coming from a DC guy, mind you. DC movies have apparently decided the only motivation their characters need to is to hit things and say puns.

You talk about what the DC movies have done right, but you can say much the same about Marvel. DR. STRANGE and IRON MAN were origins with elements lifted right from the comics. ULTIMATE AVENGERS was a decent adaption of THE ULTIMATES (it was basically the first storyline, watered down of course) and THE AVENGERS, all things considered, for a slightly younger market. ULTIMATE AVENGERS 2 had a decent take on Black Panther and a nice continuation of the Avengers storyline. The HULK VS movies, while not great stories in any sense, have much better action and visuals than pretty much anything DC has been able to muster. Even though I think it's silly as hell, PLANET HULK is getting good early buzz as far as action goes.

SPIDER-MAN and THE FANTASTIC FOUR had recent animated series (Didn't the Hulk, too?). The X-Men has had TWO pretty decent animated series in the last few years, X-MEN: EVOLUTION and WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. DC's had KRYPTO: THE SUPER DOG, TEEN TITANS and LEGION OF SUPERHEROES, and BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD.

I think they're both doing ok in the animation department as far as basic concepts and volume goes. I just don't think there's been anything stellar to come out of either studio.
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Hulk vs having much better action than anything DC has is a joke. Superman:Doomsday,WW,GL:FL and Superman/Batman Public enemies all have great action
 
I can't remember that much of the comic but here is what I thought of the movie.
I'm so disappointed. That was trash. Batman does not beat Lady Shiva that easily, if he beats her at all. Superman doesn't just fly into a cloud of kryptonite and come away unscathed. Power Girl was personality-less and they made boob jokes, typical. Even more criminal, they didn't show part of the meteor going into Gotham Harbour. How does rock become a cloud again? surely some parts burnt up in the atmosphere and caused a little damage. How does a bomb turn Billy into a kid? Of course it could have been part of the ruse to get Batman close but I didn't hear any lightning. They cut the parts with the Superman/Batman families so in the end it was just exactly what Timm has done before in the 90's and in JLU.Time for something different.

I like to end on a positive. For 2 seconds we see little Owen Mercer as Captain Boomerang. I looooovveee Boomer!
 
Generally I have problems with all the DTV movies and think there is room for improvement in a lot of them.

Superman/Doomsday was a joke to me because they took the time in setting up Doomsday and then do nothing with it. Doomsday comes down fights, and dies. That's it. No one even suggests what happens to Doomsday or his body. When I brought this up with Bruce Timm during an interview he kind of brushed it off like it didn't matter. In the comics, Doomsday never died and he did come back at one point. You also find out Doomsday's origin. However in the movie, they could've hinted that a guy like Luthor MIGHT JUST BE INTERESTED in a being that could bring Superman to his knees. Poor execution of storytelling.

Also Gotham Knight was a massive disappointment.
 
They ****ing called it Superman/Doomsday. It was an adaptation of the death and reign of superman stories.
 
^It was not an adaptation, it was inspired by those stories. Which was why the crew decided to name the film "Superman: Doomsday". So they could have some latitude with the story and not have to deal with questions from hardasses like you. :hehe:

Now, The New Frontier and Public Enemies, on the other hand, are adaptations.
 
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FlawlessVictory said:
^It was not an adaptation, it was inspired by those stories. Which was why the crew decided to name the film "Superman: Doomsday". So they could have some latitude with the story and not have to deal with questions from hardasses like you. :hehe:

Now, The New Frontier and Public Enemies, on the other hand, are adaptations.
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It was an adaptation despite your splitting of hairs.
 
TheVileOne said:
They ****ing called it Superman/Doomsday. It was an adaptation of the death and reign of superman stories.
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Are you serious? Was it not obvious to you that they called it Superman: Doomsday as a play on the name, not because it was actually going to be about Doomsday?

They stopped focusing on Doomsday because, like the comic book, the story shifted focus on something a little bit beyond that: Superman's death, and it's affect on the world. Given the runtime, it's obvious they wouldn't have been able to focus on that if they went out of their way to meaninglessly explain what happened to the dead villain that killed him.

And yeah, Doomsday came back. In a different storyline.
 
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