DC October '09 Solicitations

[TheComicbookKid]

-Thank heavens, Amy Reeder Hadley is back to Madame Xanadu. Kaluta's art wasn't bad, but I loved Hadley's, it was really one of the main reasons I checked out the book. It's great either way, but her art is just so...yummy I guess is really the only way I can think to describe it.

Hell yeah for Reeder's return! Internet high-five!

 

[Tron Bonne]

YEAH! High-five received, down low, on the ground, we be fast and they be slow.

Oops, kind of slipped into reference mode there in mid-high five return

 

[CaptainCanada]

PLANETARY #27
Written by Warren Ellis
Art and cover by John Cassaday
Tons of things have changed since writer Warren Ellis (THE AUTHORITY, STORMWATCH) and artist John Cassaday (Astonishing X-Men) began their long, strange trip into the bizarre underbelly of the WildStorm Universe, but one thing has stayed the same: Anticipation for this final issue of the critically acclaimed series remains gargantuan! Over a decade in the making, PLANETARY culminates in this spectacular, oversized adventure. Prepare for answers to be revealed as the enigmatic Elijah Snow has one last errand to run!
Featuring a stunning 3-piece wraparound gatefold cover drawn by Cassaday, PLANETARY #27 represents the end of an era and should not be missed!
On sale October 7 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US

what! it actually exists?!

I thought it was a myth.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'm actually looking forward to the Blackest Night tie-ins because DC has put on some pretty damn good talent on them (I like Robinson's Superman, Tomasi's Dick Grayson, and Krul's issue on Titans was rather good) and best of all while Marvel would have charged $3.99 and put some no namer like Frank Tieri, Adam Felber, and Kieron Gillen, DC is charging $2.99 for them.

Yeah, but I am reading both Marvel and DC. If I were just a DC guy I would definitely be picking up those tie in's it's just that my wallet does not allow me to do that. If I were freakin' rich I could just buy everything and not give a poo about any of it.

In a perfect world. I'd get it all.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

YEAH! High-five received, down low, on the ground, we be fast and they be slow.

Oops, kind of slipped into reference mode there in mid-high five return

The fact that you replied to a goofy post with an even goofier post has made you officially my new favorite person on the Hype.

 

[The Eagle Host]

That Green Lantern Corps cover is badass.

And a new Batgirl who is struggling to join the Bat-family without Batman's permission? Yeah, that's Spoiler.

 

[Sawyer]

Finally these Final Crisis Aftermath series' are over. It was just getting embarassing.

 

[The Eagle Host]

They actually range from good to great, so it's not embarrassing at all.

 

[Sawyer]

Eh, I think they're crap.

 

[The Eagle Host]

Sucks to be you.

 

[Sawyer]

Sucks to be you.

Thats... nice.

 

[Spike_x1]

 

[The Eagle Host]

Escape is extremely awesome, Ink is very good and Run is pretty fun. The only one mildly disappointing is Dance, but even that is pretty good.

 

[Sawyer]

Escape is extremely awesome, Ink is very good and Run is pretty fun. The only one mildly disappointing is Dance, but even that is pretty good.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Most of what DC's been putting out for the past few months has been disappointing IMO. Basically, anything thats not written by Johns and occasionally Morrison.

 

[The Eagle Host]

I'll agree with DC's enormous downward spiral, but I'd certainly say the fall is certainly due in part, if not in full, to Johns.

 

[Sawyer]

I'll agree with DC's enormous downward spiral, but I'd certainly say the fall is certainly due in part, if not in full, to DiDio.

Fixed. I dont really see how it could be Johns's fault

 

[The Eagle Host]

Broken.

Fixed.

The broad, sweeping changes Johns is bringing about in the DC universe are downright terrible, starting with Green Lantern. Bringing back Hal Jordan was a terrible mistake, and nothing since then has made any sense. None of the changes Johns made were in any way logical. He tried to reinvent Parallax and Ion to better fit his "redemption" of Hal, but they make absolutely no sense given any of their previous appearances. None of the Corps besides green make any sense. How is yellow powered by fear at all? Even the fear entity is powered by the fear felt by its host, not by the fear its host causes. And the various colors of corps themselves are entirely unoriginal. "The Green Lantern Corps is pretty cool... what if we had like seven more?" Entirely uninspired.

His Superman is worse. He's taken everything that was great about Superman and destroyed it. No more is he the last son of Krypton. No more is he the lost alien, desperately trying to fit it. Now he's just Kryptonian #45,795. Big deal.

And Flash is worst of all. He took Barry Allen, whose death was still entirely relevant to the DC universe, and brought him back... why? He was not the "iconic" Flash. What's iconic about the Flash is his costume, not the guy under the mask. The fact that there is no reason at all for Barry Allen to be back is so undeniable that he has an ENTIRE MINI-SERIES (Rebirth) dedicated to convincing us that he's in any way relevant.

What I think is the worst part about the above-mentioned problems is the fact that the main characters of each book have literally no personality to them. This is particularly true with the first two. Hal has spent the last 20+ issues essentially reacting to what is going on around him. At no point did I feel like we needed him for the story to exist. We could have replaced him with literally any other member of the Corps and the story would have been exactly the same. If that's going to continue being the case, why bring him back at all? The same could be said for Superman, though not as intensely. He's practically a supporting character in the one Superman title that he does appear in.

And none of that is showing any signs of changing. A pity for DC.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Fixed.

The broad, sweeping changes Johns is bringing about in the DC universe are downright terrible, starting with Green Lantern. Bringing back Hal Jordan was a terrible mistake, and nothing since then has made any sense. None of the changes Johns made were in any way logical. He tried to reinvent Parallax and Ion to better fit his "redemption" of Hal, but they make absolutely no sense given any of their previous appearances. None of the Corps besides green make any sense. How is yellow powered by fear at all? Even the fear entity is powered by the fear felt by its host, not by the fear its host causes. And the various colors of corps themselves are entirely unoriginal. "The Green Lantern Corps is pretty cool... what if we had like seven more?" Entirely uninspired.

You would have a point in DC bringing back Hal being a mistake if it weren't for the fact that Hal's return is extremely financially and critically successful. This is the worst example that you've brought up with your personal bias against Hal Jordan being in the way of how it actually is.

His Superman is worse. He's taken everything that was great about Superman and destroyed it. No more is he the last son of Krypton. No more is he the lost alien, desperately trying to fit it. Now he's just Kryptonian #45,795. Big deal.

Now he's a person who is torn between the loyalties of two worlds. He now has to fit in within Kryptonian society. Again, it's not like the readers have outright rejected the new direction Superman is in right now, but then again, it's not like it's enjoying the success that Green Lantern and right now the Flash are enjoying.

And Flash is worst of all. He took Barry Allen, whose death was still entirely relevant to the DC universe, and brought him back... why? He was not the "iconic" Flash. What's iconic about the Flash is his costume, not the guy under the mask. The fact that there is no reason at all for Barry Allen to be back is so undeniable that he has an ENTIRE MINI-SERIES (Rebirth) dedicated to convincing us that he's in any way relevant.

Again, right now the Flash: Rebirth is off to good start financially and it has been getting better since the first issue. The Flash franchise was in such a mess due to DC's screw-ups so in order to revitalize it, they simply are repeating the incredibly successful formula that they used in Green Lantern. DC is a business first and for most DC is a business and because of their mistakes, Wally West was not working for them.

What I think is the worst part about the above-mentioned problems is the fact that the main characters of each book have literally no personality to them. This is particularly true with the first two. Hal has spent the last 20+ issues essentially reacting to what is going on around him. At no point did I feel like we needed him for the story to exist. We could have replaced him with literally any other member of the Corps and the story would have been exactly the same. If that's going to continue being the case, why bring him back at all? The same could be said for Superman, though not as intensely. He's practically a supporting character in the one Superman title that he does appear in.

And none of that is showing any signs of changing. A pity for DC.

You know why it isn't going to change any time soon? Because readers are buying and liking the **** you mention. Most of the complaints about DC are the stuff that you aren't mentioning like the misdirections of DC's team books like Justice League of America and the Titans, or how they badly mismanaged the Flash franchise after Infinite Crisis, or how they're unable to get things out on time and absolutely killing momentum, or how DiDio does not have a coherent vision for the DC Universe.

The things you are mentioning aren't the problem that most people are having with the DC Universe, they're problems that YOU'RE having with the DC Universe. Big difference. It's not a pity for DC that you're not liking Hal Jordan or Barry Allen.

 

[Spike_x1]

I don't think profits were the topic of the conversation.

 

[Cain]

I actually really enjoyed FC but those post-Crisis mini's bored me. Not something I'll drop my R.E.B.E.L.S. or Booster Gold or Jonah Hex money for beyond the first issue.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't think profits were the topic of the conversation.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Eagle wasn't talking less dollars and dimes and more quality and directional. Of course that's opinion and all, but if you only want to talk dollar and dimes then there's no point in ever discussing anything really.

Personally, I think he brings up some good points. Especially about the Corps stuff, but you know, that's just me. I'm not within the majority so I don't count

The fact that you replied to a goofy post with an even goofier post has made you officially my new favorite person on the Hype.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think profits were the topic of the conversation.

Sales and acclaim are often a good indication on how people are liking the direction of a series.

Green Lantern sales have been through the roof with massive critical and fan acclaim. Why change it? Something like this shows that Leaguer's viewpoint is an incredibly fringe one and not an actual legitimate problem with the DC Universe like he makes it out to be.

Superman sales are staying level with no one really jumping on or leaving and with the acclaim it has been getting it shows that yeah, some changes should be made with the direction the Superman books are in, but not incredibly drastic ones.

Flash's sales have been abysmal with fans pretty much *****ing on how DC pretty much ruined the franchise. Drastic changes were needed with the Flash and because Wally was in the front seat when this happened, along with the success that Hal is having, he ended up getting the shaft. I don't think that the drastic changes needed to rejuvenate the Flash, could have happened with Wally in the front seat of the Flash franchise

Remember, fans vote with their dollars after all.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Sales and acclaim are often a good indication on how people are liking the direction of a series.

Green Lantern sales have been through the roof with massive critical and fan acclaim. Why change it? Something like this shows that Leaguer's viewpoint is an incredibly fringe one and not an actual legitimate problem with the DC Universe like he makes it out to be.

Superman sales are staying level with no one really jumping on or leaving and with the acclaim it has been getting it shows that yeah, some changes should be made with the direction the Superman books are in, but not incredibly drastic ones.

Flash's sales have been abysmal with fans pretty much *****ing on how DC pretty much ruined the franchise. Drastic changes were needed with the Flash and because Wally was in the front seat when this happened, along with the success that Hal is having, he ended up getting the shaft. I don't think that the drastic changes needed to rejuvenate the Flash, could have happened with Wally in the front seat of the Flash franchise

Remember, fans vote with their dollars after all.

That's all true, but if you want to just argue in dollars and dimes, then Hulk by Jeph Loeb is still one of the best selling Marvel titles on the charts. That title is ****. I don't care if the silent majority eat it up, that title is beyond awful.

A more relevant example, the Parallax recton was stupid. Really stupid. Don't care how much the silent majority buy it, it's stupid. Maybe Johns made a good story around it, but that was really dumb, wasted a great opportunity and reeked of Johns occasions of ridiculous hero worship, near fanfic types of stuff that seems to seep into his writing sometimes.

I don't think Eagle was bringing up sales, just some flaws he sees in the direction of Johns' work (and since he's basically the golden boy of DC right now it applies to a lot of the DCU as a whole), and I think he brought some good points to the table personally.

I mean the main reason we're all here is discussing stuff like this, and if you just focus on the sells of titles, well I guess that's that really. Nothing left to really say

 

[Spike_x1]

Sales and acclaim are often a good indication on how people are liking the direction of a series.

Green Lantern sales have been through the roof with massive critical and fan acclaim. Why change it? Something like this shows that Leaguer's viewpoint is an incredibly fringe one and not an actual legitimate problem with the DC Universe like he makes it out to be.

Superman sales are staying level with no one really jumping on or leaving and with the acclaim it has been getting it shows that yeah, some changes should be made with the direction the Superman books are in, but not incredibly drastic ones.

Flash's sales have been abysmal with fans pretty much *****ing on how DC pretty much ruined the franchise. Drastic changes were needed with the Flash and because Wally was in the front seat when this happened, along with the success that Hal is having, he ended up getting the shaft. I don't think that the drastic changes needed to rejuvenate the Flash, could have happened with Wally in the front seat of the Flash franchise

Remember, fans vote with their dollars after all.

Fans, by and large, are notorious for also being sheep and essentially buying what DC tells them to buy and gives the best promotion, whether it's good or not.

Critical acclaim, sure, I'll give you that one on most occasions. But sales? I would never equate profits with quality.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Heh, I don't even give critical acclaim that much due. I take the advice of posters on this board, like Corp, BrianWilly and Dread about as serious as most critic opinions. Guess that shows how highly I put critics