DC's Definitive Joker origin

[Agentsands77]

compared to the covers for the first 2 issues, that's not bad actually...at least his eyes are on straight...

I actually like that picture. It's intentionally "off" and it makes for a really interesting and disturbing portrait of the Joker.

Can't wait to continue with this series. This is the first origin for the Joker that actually enhances the character's mystery, rather than reducing it.

 

[Superhobo]

You're both horrible people.

 

[Motown Marvel]

yeah, i can dig that cover. the anatomy is obviously intentionally skewed, and quite pleasantly so, and the line work is great.

 

[Superhobo]

Quit justifying it. It looks like a piece of $hit.

 

[CBG]

Oh man, this mini run has some of the worst cover art I have ever seen.
http://media.comics.ign.com/articles/805/805145/img_4717003.html
Jesus, the artist who did this doesn't know **** on anatomy.

Holy heck at that cheekbone.

 

[Joker]

the cheek bone is the only part that's off, and that's only because it's not symetrical

 

[Anita18]

yeah, i actually gotta say, it was pretty damn good. i was surprised by the writing and the characterizations. pre-joker's personality makes good sense, and batman's mentality works perfectly. and the juxtaposition of the two personalities is quite pleasing. the art is pretty hit and miss. theres some really good panels, and some really not so good panels. but when it comes to the story, im ready to hear it out....

The 10-pg preview had some surprisingly good characterization. I'm not totally keen on buying single issues though, I'd rather buy a trade paperback but of course it remains to be seen if DC will do it with this one.

..and I know I'm being picky, but the hardest course to pass as a pre-med isn't the math - it's the chemistry. Even if you're a chem whiz, there's simply more chem to take than math. And when Bruce was talking about the histocompatibility complexes...just what does that have to do with solving a crime? He could test blood types first or do other genetic tests to see if the victims were related before going off to sequence the entire major histocompatibility complex of each person.

It always bugs me when people unfamiliar to science try to write as if they know science, since it's really obvious when they're faking.

At least the characterization is good, so it isn't all bad...

 

[Superman4ever]

Which is why I say DC should bring back Superboy and then have a final crisis and after that Superman retires to be with Lois and Christopher and Batman start to train Terry (Batman Beyond) or Tim to take over for him and Cassie becomes Wonder Woman. That way you can have fresh new story lines and new villains as well as new heroes and a new JLA ,etc. Then start an Ultimate line where Superman is still Clark Kent, Bruce is Batman and Diana is Wonder Woman and start fresh with that.

WOW (What I mean to say is: "SON OF A *****!)! This is one of the worst ideas I have EVER heard. You're like the Hype's! Jon Peters of "fresh" ideas.

 

[Joker]

The 10-pg preview had some surprisingly good characterization. I'm not totally keen on buying single issues though, I'd rather buy a trade paperback but of course it remains to be seen if DC will do it with this one.

..and I know I'm being picky, but the hardest course to pass as a pre-med isn't the math - it's the chemistry. Even if you're a chem whiz, there's simply more chem to take than math. And when Bruce was talking about the histocompatibility complexes...just what does that have to do with solving a crime? He could test blood types first or do other genetic tests to see if the victims were related before going off to sequence the entire major histocompatibility complex of each person.

It always bugs me when people unfamiliar to science try to write as if they know science, since it's really obvious when they're faking.

At least the characterization is good, so it isn't all bad...

Maybe Harley is really good at science though, so chemistry is no problem for her...and maybe she sucks at math...and I'm sure Bruce checked if they were all related in more usual means, IE raiding the morgue files to see

 

[Rorschach II]

I always figured Joker to have a background in chemistry and the mob and comedy. Kinda like in the animated series, where he worked for a mob boss as a hitman but also at one point tried to be a comedian. But he also has to know something about chemistry and/or genetics because of all that Smilex and stuff he makes.

 

[Joker]

I always figured Joker to have a background in chemistry and the mob and comedy. Kinda like in the animated series, where he worked for a mob boss as a hitman but also at one point tried to be a comedian. But he also has to know something about chemistry and/or genetics because of all that Smilex and stuff he makes.

pre-crisis Joker was for sure a scientist at Ace Chemical before he turned to being the Red Hood.

 

[CConn]

The 10-pg preview had some surprisingly good characterization. I'm not totally keen on buying single issues though, I'd rather buy a trade paperback but of course it remains to be seen if DC will do it with this one.

..and I know I'm being picky, but the hardest course to pass as a pre-med isn't the math - it's the chemistry. Even if you're a chem whiz, there's simply more chem to take than math. And when Bruce was talking about the histocompatibility complexes...just what does that have to do with solving a crime? He could test blood types first or do other genetic tests to see if the victims were related before going off to sequence the entire major histocompatibility complex of each person.

It always bugs me when people unfamiliar to science try to write as if they know science, since it's really obvious when they're faking.

At least the characterization is good, so it isn't all bad...

It's only obvious to people who know a good deal about science.

 

[BubbaGump]

This run on Confidential will be retconned in a jiffy.

Okay, so the Joker's bored. What--are we supposed to pity him or something? Goddamnit, why doesn't he join a forum?

I just wasn't feeling it for this title. Art was terrible, and I think the scene at the gallery where they discuss vanishing points, etc. is just a lame excuse for the artist's bad eye for perspective and horrible rendition of anatomy. God, talk about symmetry.

Writing=pffft. It was basically prose with pictures in the beginning, and the dialogue is trying too hard to be intelligent and colorful. It just ends up as a smoldering pile of crap.

Why would DC even bother putting the Joker's origin story in the hands of Batman Confidential? Give it to Paul Dini, please.

 

[Ibn]

Whole **** is trash. Art, concept = No. Hate it.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Joker]

Whole **** is trash. Art, concept = No. Hate it.

Just my thoughts.

Did you even read it?

 

[Joker]

This run on Confidential will be retconned in a jiffy.

Okay, so the Joker's bored. What--are we supposed to pity him or something? Goddamnit, why doesn't he join a forum?

I just wasn't feeling it for this title. Art was terrible, and I think the scene at the gallery where they discuss vanishing points, etc. is just a lame excuse for the artist's bad eye for perspective and horrible rendition of anatomy. God, talk about symmetry.

Writing=pffft. It was basically prose with pictures in the beginning, and the dialogue is trying too hard to be intelligent and colorful. It just ends up as a smoldering pile of crap.

Why would DC even bother putting the Joker's origin story in the hands of Batman Confidential? Give it to Paul Dini, please.

No, we're not supposed to feel sorry for him. It's just who he is, and it makes sense. If you don't find your work challenging, which he obviously doesnt, you aren't going to like doing it. And yeah, the art was hit and miss all through out, and it being prose with pictures at the beginning? It's called internal monolouge you dumbass, every single comic does it.

 

[BubbaGump]

No, we're not supposed to feel sorry for him. It's just who he is, and it makes sense. If you don't find your work challenging, which he obviously doesnt, you aren't going to like doing it. And yeah, the art was hit and miss all through out, and it being prose with pictures at the beginning? It's called internal monolouge you dumbass, every single comic does it.

What the hell is your problem? So prose wasn't exactly the right word--my bad. You don't have to piss and moan about it. Seriously.

 

[BubbaGump]

Did you even read it?

And what proof do you have that he didn't? That his response was short and to-the-point?

 

[Joker]

And what proof do you have that he didn't? That his response was short and to-the-point?

That he mentioned nothing about the actualy story, only the concept, and the art, which could have been taken from previews (and isnt that horrible in the comic, although it's hit and miss, as I've said)

 

[Joker]

What the hell is your problem? So prose wasn't exactly the right word--my bad. You don't have to piss and moan about it. Seriously.

When people say things that I take as, lets just say, "dumb," I just have to pipe up about it...so really, my problem is that I care too much

 

[Agentsands77]

This run on Confidential will be retconned in a jiffy.

Well sure. All of DC Continuity is on the verge of collapse these days.

What--are we supposed to pity him or something?

No. But it is interesting to see a Joker who's bored and unfulfilled (so much so that he's willing to die because of it) and is then revitalized by the sight of Batman. Very interesting indeed.

Why would DC even bother putting the Joker's origin story in the hands of Batman Confidential? Give it to Paul Dini, please.

Dini already did his Joker origin story. It was pretty good, but it's not as compelling as this one on a conceptual level. The Joker background presented here is far more interesting than Dini's gangster take.

Could the art be better? Sure (though I do like the art well enough). Could the writing be better? Yeah, but it's not half-bad. The best thing about it is really just the core story, and the characterization of the pre-Joker. It's great to see a pre-Joker that's actually an interesting character in his own right.

 

[Ibn]

And what proof do you have that he didn't? That his response was short and to-the-point?

t:Here I go.

If this was any other story than the Joker's origin, I'd be able to deal with the art. But the fact that they chose somebody with HORRIBLE, scratchy line quality was bull. The Joker deserves the BEST. Everything looked horrible, especially Bruce. No one on this earth can justify the ****tiness of that Joker picture.

As far as the story, I'm supposed to believe that a hit man - with NO sense of humor - falls into a vat of chemicals and becomes and insane CLOWN, who cracks jokes and kills people in humorous ways? And the fact that he knew Harley before he turned sucks to me. His overall nonchalance kills me. I sorta like that his name is Jack though. That name always suited him to me. Regardless though, this **** sucks so far.

 

[Mr. Socko]

So it's not that good?

I think I'll pick it up when it's all complied together with a spine like I do with every comic lol

 

[Agentsands77]

As far as the story, I'm supposed to believe that a hit man - with NO sense of humor - falls into a vat of chemicals and becomes and insane CLOWN, who cracks jokes and kills people in humorous ways?

You've only read the first issue of a 7-part series. They just introduced Jack, so I wouldn't go acting like he's been fully developed, or his arc has even been touched on.

And who says he has no sense of humor? He's just not a particularly happy guy during the first part of this comic series. A lot of his comments have a level of dark humor to them. The very last page of the story actually shows him smile for the first time in the story... because he finds Batman ridiculous.

I think I'll pick it up when it's all complied together with a spine like I do with every comic lol

If it does get compiled together, that is.

 

[Motown Marvel]

If it does get compiled together, that is.

you kidding me? DC compiles everything today without prejudice. hell, they even compiled that "city of crime arc", which was like the worst mind numbingly god awful pile of complete and utter trash i have ever read.