DC's Metropolis

[Lencho01]

I think people would have less issue with the idea of this show if Superman on the big screen was actually good and it seemed they had real plans to utilize him.

 

[misslane38]

Frankly, we have yet to have a true, modern day, Superman live action TV show.

You can't really count Smallville since the while premise of that show was about Clark Kent's days before he became superman. Even when he officially took on the mantle, because of Tom's unwillingness to wear the costume, we never got a proper version of Superman on that show.

Entitled babies. Superman does not "deserve" any more than any other character, especially when he has had several television series since his creation in 1938. There are plenty of other DC characters who have yet to have one let alone nearly half a dozen series devoted to them. There's nothing about this show that will take away any opportunity for Superman to have his own show or films. There isn't a limit placed on Superman stories. If DC wants to make a Superman show or film while this show exists, then you will have one. Meanwhile, for heaven's sake, why concern yourself with this show at all if it doesn't interest you? If it doesn't succeed, then it won't continue, but if it does well, then that's good news for Superman no matter how you look at it. There's no way that this show hurts Superman or his fans in any way.

 

[Herolee10]

Frankly, I'm starting to think that Warner Bros are somewhat ashamed of Superman because it seems like they really go out of their way to limit his involvement with any property as much as possible.

Most of his scenes were cut from BvS and JL, while he is barely used in Supergirl (where the main purpose of his usage was to prop up Kara), and he is nowhere to be found in Krypton and Metropolis..

 

[X Knight]

and what good is spending all the time and seasons "building up" Superman's "world" of Metropolis, if the big man himself never shows up.

that's like Gotham, one giant tease.

but at least Gotham features a young Bruce Wayne.

 

[misslane38]

I think people would have less issue with the idea of this show if Superman on the big screen was actually good and it seemed they had real plans to utilize him.

That's an emotional response I understand, but it is also illogical. Metropolis isn't what is standing in way of good Superman films or a Man of Steel sequel.

 

[misslane38]

Frankly, I'm starting to think that Warner Bros are somewhat ashamed of Superman because it seems like they really go out of their way to limit his involvement with any property as much as possible.

Most of his scenes were cut from BvS and JL, while he is barely used in Supergirl (where the main purpose of his usage was to prop up Kara), and he is nowhere to be found in Krypton and Metropolis..

I'm ashamed of Superman fans.

 

[Herolee10]

Entitled babies. Superman does not "deserve" any more than any other character, especially when he has had several television series since his creation in 1938. There are plenty of other DC characters who have yet to have one let alone nearly half a dozen series devoted to them. There's nothing about this show that will take away any opportunity for Superman to have his own show or films. There isn't a limit placed on Superman stories. If DC wants to make a Superman show or film while this show exists, then you will have one. Meanwhile, for heaven's sake, why concern yourself with this show at all if it doesn't interest you? If it doesn't succeed, then it won't continue, but if it does well, then that's good news for Superman no matter how you look at it. There's no way that this show hurts Superman or his fans in any way.

Sorry but did you just call me and most of the people here entitled babies?

You do realize that without Superman, there would also be no Lois Lane right? The success of his character throughout the century is what has enabled writers to also flesh out Lois Lane's character.

And Lois has appeared in most of the Superman medium that you just mentioned so why does she deserve any more than other female heroes like Hawkgirl, Zatanna, Huntress, etc?

The reason why posters like me post here is because we feel like this show is a waste of time and money, especially when they could have used this opportunity to actually make a legitimate superman tv show.

 

[misslane38]

and what good is spending all the time and seasons "building up" Superman's "world" of Metropolis, if the big man himself never shows up.

that's like Gotham, one giant tease.

but at least Gotham features a young Bruce Wayne.

Yet, for Gotham it has succeeded and been appealing because of characters other than Bruce Wayne. He's not what has made the series successful.

If anything, the reason Batman has so many comics and potential films and is such a powerhouse is because his world of Gotham is so well fleshed out. The city itself is alive with settings and characters that can get people interested beyond Batman himself. Superman would do well to have Metropolis and his supporting cast and mythology fleshed out in ways that Batman has for awhile now.

Besides, no one has said that Superman won't ever show up in some sort of capacity. In Bond's YA series, a young Lois Lane befriends a young Clark online with his online alias SmallvilleGuy. He helps her and supports her by giving her information and encouragement, and he is the one who introduces her to Lex. There are ways to bring Superman into the show indirectly while letting his world and his cast flourish in the spotlight that this show offers. Meanwhile, Superman has other places like comics and film where he gets focus and has for years. It's a win-win, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[misslane38]

So in other words, milk the brand for all that it's worth without actually using the actual brand itself?

How does that make any sense? And like others have said, is there really enough interest out there to actually invest time and money into making a prequel about just these two characters?

You are judging the cake before it is even baked. How can you pass judgement on whether or not this show has a right to exist without giving it a chance to find its audience? You can't even be open-minded enough to see if the show sinks or swims on its own merits before you declare it worthless? If the concept really doesn't work, then let the show prove it doesn't work. It is up to the show to get people interested in Lois and Lex in Metropolis. That's how the vast majority of new series and pilots work. Why should Metropolis be any different? The Superman brand is everything related to the character and his world. Metropolis is a big part of that. The Superman myth has established the preexistence of Lois and Lex in Metropolis prior to Superman's debut, so this story isn't reinventing the wheel. It's basically a Rogue One for Superman. I honestly don't understand the fuss.

 

[misslane38]

Sorry but did you just call me and most of the people here entitled babies?

Yes, I did.

You do realize that without Superman, there would also be no Lois Lane right? The success of his character throughout the century is what has enabled writers to also flesh out Lois Lane's character.

It goes both ways. There would be no Superman without Lois Lane. Her character helped flesh out his.

And Lois has appeared in most of the Superman medium that you just mentioned so why does she deserve any more than other female heroes like Hawkgirl, Zatanna, Huntress, etc?

She doesn't deserve it more; she simply does not deserve it less.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Two Superman prequels? At least Krypton is a little bit cosmic and I'm hoping for some Kirby Fourth World. What exactly is this offering?

 

[misslane38]

Two Superman prequels? At least Krypton is a little bit cosmic and I'm hoping for some Kirby Fourth World. What exactly is this offering?

Urban noir with sci-fi elements. X-Files meets The Post. Ordinary meets extraordinary. Mobs, gangs, corporate and political corruption. Hints of Black Mirror and Doctor Who. It's Jessica Jones except Lois has self-defense and military training rather than super-strength. Sounds good to me. Superman is always about the super and the man, the alien and the earthling. Krypton offers a prequel of one side of that while Metropolis offers the other side. It's perfectly complementary, as Superman as a character and concept always has been.

 

[Herolee10]

Yet, for Gotham it has succeeded and been appealing because of characters other than Bruce Wayne. He's not what has made the series successful.

If anything, the reason Batman has so many comics and potential films and is such a powerhouse is because his world of Gotham is so well fleshed out. The city itself is alive with settings and characters that can get people interested beyond Batman himself. Superman would do well to have Metropolis and his supporting cast and mythology fleshed out in ways that Batman has for awhile now.

Besides, no one has said that Superman won't ever show up in some sort of capacity. In Bond's YA series, a young Lois Lane befriends a young Clark online with his online alias SmallvilleGuy. He helps her and supports her by giving her information and encouragement, and he is the one who introduces her to Lex. There are ways to bring Superman into the show indirectly while letting his world and his cast flourish in the spotlight that this show offers. Meanwhile, Superman has other places like comics and film where he gets focus and has for years. It's a win-win, as far as I'm concerned.

One could argue that it is Bruce Wayne's story into his adulthood that serves as the heart of Gotham. It also doesn't hurt that the show is able to introduce and portray the origins of a lot of his core villains.

This would not be the case with Metropolis. And you couldn't even .ca it superman associated any more because there is no superman in this show.

And the idea of using something as cheap as something as cheap as Lois exchanging emails with Clark would be mocked by fans like how when the first season of Supergirl had used a similar approach.

You are judging the cake before it is even baked. How can you pass judgement on whether or not this show has a right to exist without giving it a chance to find its audience? You can't even be open-minded enough to see if the show sinks or swims on its own merits before you declare it worthless? If the concept really doesn't work, then let the show prove it doesn't work. It is up to the show to get people interested in Lois and Lex in Metropolis. That's how the vast majority of new series and pilots work. Why should Metropolis be any different? The Superman brand is everything related to the character and his world. Metropolis is a big part of that. The Superman myth has established the preexistence of Lois and Lex in Metropolis prior to Superman's debut, so this story isn't reinventing the wheel. It's basically a Rogue One for Superman. I honestly don't understand the fuss.

If Lois and Lex were that popular on their own then we would have seen them get their own mainstream shows prior to this. Frankly, I feel like there is more money to be made in investing in other properties (Zatanna, Blue Beetle, Huntress) than there is in a Lois and Lex show.

Rogue One worked because it was pretty much a one shot scenario. They aren't making a separate trilogy involving those characters and the rebel alliance and their battle against the Empire existed along before Luke Skywalker got involved.

 

[Herolee10]

Yes, I did.



It goes both ways. There would be no Superman without Lois Lane. Her character helped flesh out his.



She doesn't deserve it more; she simply does not deserve it less.

Well glad to know that we have resorted to ridiculing people now because of the difference in their opinions.

And like you said, the characters of Superman and Lois are synonymous with rach other thus why would it make sense to develop a show where only one of them exists?

And if Lois Lane doesn't deserve a show any more or any less than Superman then why is it okay to have both her and Lex get their own show while superman is sidelined? A bit contradictive don't you think?

 

[misslane38]

Well glad to know that we have resorted to ridiculing people now because of the difference in their opinions.

Your opinion is that Superman deserves this show more than Lois and Lex, which is entitlement at its finest since this show isn't preventing Superman from getting his own shows or films. So if the shoe fits...

And like you said, the characters of Superman and Lois are synonymous with rach other thus why would it make sense to develop a show where only one of them exists?

Because there have been plenty of Superman stories without Lois Lane, so why not try the reverse for once. It's not like there aren't plenty of Superman-centric shows and films out there for you to revisit or future projects that will undoubtedly be more your cup of tea.

And if Lois Lane doesn't deserve a show any more or any less than Superman then why is it okay to have both her and Lex get their own show while superman is sidelined? A bit contradictive don't you think?

You didn't mention Superman. You compared how much Lois deserved a show to characters like Hawkgirl. Superman isn't being sidelined because Lois and Lex have a show. Are you kidding me? It's one show on an obscure streaming service! By the time it comes out in 2019, there could be a MOS2 in the works and a Superman cameo in SHAZAM! And that's on top of the character regularly appearing in video games, animated series, and Supergirl cameos. Superman fans are shamefully greedy. It's all-or-nothing. This show isn't stealing anything from Superman.

 

[misslane38]

One could argue that it is Bruce Wayne's story into his adulthood that serves as the heart of Gotham. It also doesn't hurt that the show is able to introduce and portray the origins of a lot of his core villains.

Bruce's story is not the heart of Gotham. It's way more of an ensemble origin story with Gordon, Penguin, and Nygma getting substantial screentime and focus. Metropolis could do something better than portray the origins of Superman's core villains; it could rehabilitate and revitalize some good yet often underserved elements of his mythology.

This would not be the case with Metropolis. And you couldn't even .ca it superman associated any more because there is no superman in this show.

It is associated with Superman because it is a show about his mythology. It is a show that tells the untold story of Metropolis, and two of its key figures who play a key role in Superman's future, before the story we all know and love takes place.

And the idea of using something as cheap as something as cheap as Lois exchanging emails with Clark would be mocked by fans like how when the first season of Supergirl had used a similar approach.

Superman fans really are babies, then.

If Lois and Lex were that popular on their own then we would have seen them get their own mainstream shows prior to this. Frankly, I feel like there is more money to be made in investing in other properties (Zatanna, Blue Beetle, Huntress) than there is in a Lois and Lex show.

That's a Catch-22. They are getting their own show. It's this one. You are saying that if Lois and Lex were popular, they would have a show. They are getting their own show. Those other properties? You cannot be serious. Metropolis isn't getting in the way of a Huntress show or a Zatanna show. Those shows can coexist with Metropolis. If Metropolis doesn't work, then it doesn't work. Can we give it a chance before deciding it wasn't worth the investment?

Rogue One worked because it was pretty much a one shot scenario. They aren't making a separate trilogy involving those characters and the rebel alliance and their battle against the Empire existed along before Luke Skywalker got involved.

It's a small show on an obscure streaming service, herolee! It's not like Lois and Lex are getting a premium cable, Netflix, network television show, or feature film. In terms of scale, it's exactly like the Rogue One scenario.

 

[godisawesome]

If they're ambitious and have a plan that will work on a binge-able TV show, then I'm all for this. Most of these streaming shows have short schedules that can be effectively used to make a strong story. I'm hoping they involve stuff like Intergang or Cadmus Labs early into this.

Though the thought does occur to me that they could have Superman make his debut in the city and start making headlines for a while before Loic meets Clark, and that might even be fun, especially if they played around with stuff; imagine Lois finding a low level blogger named smallville38 is building an anti-LexCorp article that she can use for her story on an even more irritated Lex.

A part do me also hopes that they have Alex be from Smallville and know the Kents, just for fun.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Lol some of you clowns won't even watch this show yet here you are complaining and will continue to do so even when it's ongoing.

 

[Mike Murdock]

^ Eh, I probably won't. I watched about the first three episodes of Gotham, didn't like it, and haven't watched or commented on it since. The only difference is this will be on a streaming service I probably won't have.

Urban noir with sci-fi elements. X-Files meets The Post. Ordinary meets extraordinary. Mobs, gangs, corporate and political corruption. Hints of Black Mirror and Doctor Who. It's Jessica Jones except Lois has self-defense and military training rather than super-strength. Sounds good to me. Superman is always about the super and the man, the alien and the earthling. Krypton offers a prequel of one side of that while Metropolis offers the other side. It's perfectly complementary, as Superman as a character and concept always has been.

Now what Superman-related reason would I have to watch the show?

 

[Fallen Angel]

It's NOT about Superman.

As I mentioned it previously you can easily do an investigative journalist/crime procedural with Lois and the Daily Planet gang without even uttering the word "Superman". Heck that's the kind of book Greg Rucka is apparently close to getting green lit. When you have numerous writers saying this kind of Lois story can easily be done in books and Shows, then folks listen. And the folks at DC have finally done that. Heck the Smallville show was originally discussed as young Lois Lane show.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Gwenda Bond's successful and popular Lois Lane graphic novels have come out in the space of 4 years. Fallout, Double Down and Triple Threat. But something like this on this forum I doubt is mentioned never mind read.

 

[terry78]

Superman means **** to DC at this point.

 

[Fincher]

I'm not all outraged about this, but I do want to comment on the idea that Superman, as a white man, gets endless opportunities. Because isn't that also true of Lex Luthor? People hated him in Batman v Superman, and here he is co-headlining a TV show. And personally, I don't care about seeing him as a lead, so here's my counter-proposal: Lois Lane and Lana Lang, investigating crime together while being lesbian (well, bisexual) lovers and maybe occasionally talking about the nerd Lana dated in high school. Plus Lois can be a person of color for extra representation. And Perry White can be in a wheelchair, because why not?

It might seem like I'm being sarcastic there, but that sounds like a better idea to me. At the moment, it just seems pretty standard fare, which doesn't enrage me, it just makes me kind of shrug.

 

[Boy Scout]

No offense, but that actually sounds worse.

 

[godisawesome]

Gwenda Bond's successful and popular Lois Lane graphic novels have come out in the space of 4 years. Fallout, Double Down and Triple Threat. But something like this on this forum I doubt is mentioned never mind read.

Can't find the TV Tropes page this clearly needs. Would you mind giving me a rundown of the kind of things that go down on these?