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I am down for a Lois Lane series but a Lois Lane/Lex Luthor team-up series...not so much.

But DC is kind of going backwards again witth these prequels. They are trying just about everything to do "___ without X/Y/Z". And the thing is, none of these prequel shows even match up or add to anything because each will have their own continuity.
 
Can't find the TV Tropes page this clearly needs. Would you mind giving me a rundown of the kind of things that go down on these?

It's YA novels, start's long before Lois has joined the Daily Planet. She even interact's with Clark without knowing it's him till the third book. They interact via emails and messages etc.
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Synopsis for Fallout

Lois Lane is starting a new life in Metropolis. An Army brat, Lois has lived all over—and seen all kinds of things. (Some of them defy explanation, like the near-disaster she witnessed in Kansas in the middle of one night.) But now her family is putting down roots in the big city, and Lois is determined to fit in. Stay quiet. Fly straight. As soon as she steps into her new high school, though, she can see it won’t be that easy. A group known as the Warheads is making life miserable for another girl at school. They’re messing with her mind, somehow, via the high-tech immersive videogame they all play. Not cool. Armed with her wit and her new snazzy job as a reporter, Lois has her sights set on solving this mystery. But sometimes it’s all a bit much. Thank goodness for her maybe-more-than-a friend, a guy she knows only by his screenname, SmallvilleGuy.


Double Down

Lois Lane has settled in to her new school. She has friends, for maybe the first time in her life. She has a job that challenges her. And her friendship is growing with SmallvilleGuy, her online maybe-more-than-a-friend. But when her friend Maddy’s twin collapses in a part of town she never should’ve been in, Lois finds herself embroiled in a dangerous mystery that brings her closer to the dirty underbelly of Metropolis.


Triple Threat

For the first time, Lois Lane has almost everything she wants. Non-temporary home? Check. Dream job? Double check. Incredible BFFs? The absolute best. And now, her online crush, SmallvilleGuy, is coming to Metropolis. If all goes well, they'll turn their long-distance friendship into a some-kind-of-fairy-tale romance. But when does all ever go well? Before she can check boyfriend off her list, Lois must take down a mad scientist plus a trio of mutant teens, protect the elusive flying man from the feds (including her dad), and navigate her very first date with SmallvilleGuy. In the follow-up to FALLOUT and DOUBLE DOWN, Gwenda Bond's reimagination of DC Comics's first leading lady takes on her toughest challenge yet: Love.
 
You know, I am down for Fringe, but in the DC Universe.
 
Your opinion is that Superman deserves this show more than Lois and Lex, which is entitlement at its finest since this show isn't preventing Superman from getting his own shows or films. So if the shoe fits...

You do realize that having a Superman show would automatically mean that we'd get Lois and most likely Lex as part of the main cast right? So it's not like I was insinuating that Superman should get a show without Lois because like it's been said before, they are synonymous with each other.

My other point is that I feel like this is a waste since they could have easily had a show like this centered around the three: Superman, Lois, and Lex.

But yes, please keep calling others petty names. I was under the impression that most of us had grown out of that phase after passing school.

Because there have been plenty of Superman stories without Lois Lane, so why not try the reverse for once. It's not like there aren't plenty of Superman-centric shows and films out there for you to revisit or future projects that will undoubtedly be more your cup of tea.

Yeah I get that but when it comes to his portrayal in other media, Lois has always showed up in almost ever incarnation of Superman.

So really, it makes no sense to suddenly start a show about Lois and Lex and leave Superman on the sidelines.

You didn't mention Superman. You compared how much Lois deserved a show to characters like Hawkgirl. Superman isn't being sidelined because Lois and Lex have a show. Are you kidding me? It's one show on an obscure streaming service! By the time it comes out in 2019, there could be a MOS2 in the works and a Superman cameo in SHAZAM! And that's on top of the character regularly appearing in video games, animated series, and Supergirl cameos. Superman fans are shamefully greedy. It's all-or-nothing. This show isn't stealing anything from Superman.

Even without Superman as a equation, I do feel like there are plenty of other female heroes/characters within the DC lore that possess enough mythology on their own that would translate well into a mini TV series.

Lois has already shown up in how many shows now, both animated and live action?
 
I think people would have less issue with the idea of this show if Superman on the big screen was actually good and it seemed they had real plans to utilize him.

I know that's why so many people praised Hoechlin's turn as Superman in the Supergirl show.

Frankly, I'm starting to think that Warner Bros are somewhat ashamed of Superman because it seems like they really go out of their way to limit his involvement with any property as much as possible.

It's probably simpler than that. WB has this weird stick up their butts about having competing live-action versions of the same characters. This is why Katana was dropped from Arrow, and why Deadshot and Amanda Waller were both killed off around the time the Suicide Squad movie was raring up, as well as why the writers had to axe a planned appearance from Harley Quinn. It is also speculated this is part of the reason the Wonder Woman prequel show, Amazon, never made it to air.

It's actually quite astonishing they're allowing Lois and Lex to be in this show when they're in the DCEU (though DCEU Lex is very unpopular so that might play into it), but if I had to guess, Superman not showing up has more to do with them not wanting another live-action Superman. The Supergirl writers did have to fight to get to use him as a guest star, and even that only happened after a full season of ridiculous excuses about why he never showed up despite his cousin being the main character.
 
I know that's why so many people praised Hoechlin's turn as Superman in the Supergirl show.

Yep.

It would be funny if whoever they cast as Lois and Lex get praises like that too after the DCEU Lois not being given much to work with and Lex being... something. :sly:
 
Like Gotham and Krypton, this is another bad idea.
 
Wow. I'm so glad you already know the fate of the show and its audience. It doesn't matter that Lois Lane has had a successful YA novel series. It doesn't matter that Lois Lane has heaps of fans who have been lobbying for this type of show or a comic book series for ages. It doesn't matter that celebrated writers like Greg Rucka are fully behind Lois as a solo character in her own right. You know all, right? Why doesn't Lois Lane deserve a chance? Why can't this Lois be a woman of color as she was in All Star Superman, Secret Identity, and American Alien? If Lois fails, then she fails. Let's test your hypothesis before assuming you are correct.

I’d rather not thanks. Lois Lane is a wonderful supporting character in Superman. But the concept of ‘gutsy female teams with genius to tackle strange events in city’ is hackneyed and cliched, and it’s something that’s not needed in the slightest at this moment in time.

It also wouldn’t exist if WB knew how to handle their properties, and weren’t constantly looking for the next easy (and probably cheap) way to milk them.

And please stop making this about equal rights. Everyone here wants to see more strong female and ethnic characters on our screens. I’d cheer from the rafters if they announced a Zatanna, Squirrel Girl, Kamala Khan, or Catwoman series. But equality issues are no justification for creating this particular tv series. The argument against here has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with it being a poor concept, put forward by people who don’t know what they’re doing with their IP.
 
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But the concept of ‘gutsy female teams with genius to tackle strange events in city’ is hackneyed and cliched, and it’s something that’s not needed in the slightest at this moment in time.

You cannot be serious. A story about investigative reporting with a woman at its center is the ultimate story for the current zeitgeist.

But equality issues are no justification for creating this particular tv series. The argument against here has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with it being a poor concept, put forward by people who don’t know what they’re doing with their IP.

Sure, it does. When the only way a strong female character can be worthy of a show is if she has superpowers and punches things, that's pure sexism.
 
LMAO! At thinking a character who is an investigative journalist isn't needed at this time. Look around you fools.:funny::doh:
 
Yeah, qualifying Lois Lane as purely a supporting character is a tad sexist...
 
Lois Lane was created and debuted same time Superman and has come before everything else. Heck she came before some of his powers like flying never mind Krypton, his parent's, Daily Planet etc. She and Superman are the very foundation of everything.

When their son has an ongoing book before her it tells you all you need to know where DC's priorities have been.
 
Yeah, qualifying Lois Lane as purely a supporting character is a tad sexist...

Lois Lane debuted and has more often than not been Superman's co-lead, but she probably is best described as a supporting character. That's not a problem. The problem is when other supporting characters like Dick Grayson move up the ranks to solo or lead status, you don't see the same level of outcry. So either Lois' lack of traditional superhero abilities or her status as female/love interest is cause for criticism. Both reasons, in my opinion, are rooted in sexism.
 
You do know that she had her own book a long, long time ago.
 
Lois Lane had a comic book way back in the day (Superman's Girlfriend, Lois Lane).

For me, it's definitely not an issue of gender. I mean, Lex Luthor is more of a sticking point for me than Lois. It's just not an idea that's standing out from the crowd, nor do I see it as some striking blow for representation based on what we know, especially when by all appearances it's a co-led show. As in The X-Files, as in The Blacklist.
 
You do know that she had her own book a long, long time ago.

Yes but a Lois Lane Daily Planet book has been talked about for a long time. Only now is it being seriously considered and maybe greenlit with Greg Rucka wanting to do a book on her.
 
Lois Lane had a comic book way back in the day (Superman's Girlfriend, Lois Lane).

For me, it's definitely not an issue of gender. I mean, Lex Luthor is more of a sticking point for me than Lois. It's just not an idea that's standing out from the crowd, nor do I see it as some striking blow for representation based on what we know, especially when by all appearances it's a co-led show. As in The X-Files, as in The Blacklist.

I'm not familiar with other shows about young twentysomethings investigating supernatural crime and institutional corruption. I can see the X-Files comparisons, but what new shows fit the description? And, the blow for representation comes from the fact that this would be a step in the right direction for Lois Lane as a female character. While she has co-starred with men in the past (with Clark/Superman, obviously), this would be the first time she would be seen away from her iconic partner. It is a way to break her away from depending on Superman for support. If the show is anything like Gotham, and Lois is given precedence like Jim Gordon with Lex in the Penguin role, then it really is a watershed development for the character.
 
My suspicion is that certain important people inside WB are convinced that The Secret for why Superman has so much enduring popularity is "The supporting cast". They are the real reason why a lame, boring boy scout is still so successful. So, a show focusing on just the supporting cast will do even better, once you strip out that weight from around its neck, right?

IOW, they fundamentally don't get Superman, and are unwilling to accept that maybe the "lame boring boy scout" *is* the appeal.
 
The problem is when other supporting characters like Dick Grayson move up the ranks to solo or lead status, you don't see the same level of outcry.

Exactly.

Smallville was one of my favorite show, I love Clark, but a new Superman show would have been repetitive at this point.

I really hope the show is going to have good writers who give a good arc to Loïs, and flesh out Superman's world. I'm happy to know the serie won't have too many episodes since I got tired of the CW format.

I really want this show to be good. A few years ago, I would have doubted this could work but I loved Jessica Jones. And it wasn't because she had a nice costume, or because of crazy action sequences but because of her character development.

I'm quite suprised people will think this will flop because Loïs is "just a human". It's like the only characters worthy of our time should be the ones who have super powers.
 
My suspicion is that certain important people inside WB are convinced that The Secret for why Superman has so much enduring popularity is "The supporting cast". They are the real reason why a lame, boring boy scout is still so successful. So, a show focusing on just the supporting cast will do even better, once you strip out that weight from around its neck, right?

IOW, they fundamentally don't get Superman, and are unwilling to accept that maybe the "lame boring boy scout" *is* the appeal.

Not even close. It's not an either/or with it being either supporting cast or lead. It's about both rising together and supporting each other. When Batman gets a trilogy of films in the DCEU with Batgirl, Nightwing, and Joker films announced, the assumption is that WB is infatuated with Batman and that Superman not having similar spinoffs speaks to the weakness in his overall brand. Finally give Superman's supporting cast and other corners of the Superman mythos a chance to shine and get development they might not have gotten with him at the center, then all of a sudden the assumption reverses so that it's a sign that WB is ashamed of Superman and that his having spinoffs still speaks to the weakness of his brand. It makes no sense, and it's the kind of attitude that hinders Superman more than anything else.

Exactly.

Smallville was one of my favorite show, I love Clark, but a new Superman show would have been repetitive at this point.

I really hope the show is going to have good writers who give a good arc to Loïs, and flesh out Superman's world. I'm happy to know the serie won't have too many episodes since I got tired of the CW format.

I really want this show to be good. A few years ago, I would have doubted this could work but I loved Jessica Jones. And it wasn't because she had a nice costume, or because of crazy action sequences but because of her character development.

I'm quite suprised people will think this will flop because Loïs is "just a human". It's like the only characters worthy of our time should be the ones who have super powers.

Well said, and I have a lot of the same hopes for the show. Right now I'd really love if they got a woman on board to help write the show, and I would love if they cast a woman of color as Lois. On Gotham, Jamie Chung played Vicki Vale's cousin, Valerie Vale, as a young journalist. She was written well generally, and Chung did an excellent job in the part.

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I know Chung probably wouldn't get cast. And, although I never liked or respected Max Landis much so that the recent allegations against him only solidified my feelings about him, I did appreciate that his prequel comic series for Superman, American Alien, featured a woman of color (Asian) Lois.

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So, I hope whether she's cast as Asian or something else, that it breaks the mold. What should remain consistent, however, is a certain fire and intelligence. I hope whoever they cast gets the spirit just right. As for Lex, I am curious what their take would be. Will be be more charming businessman, mad scientist, something in the middle? Where will he be on the evil continuum?
 
My suspicion is that certain important people inside WB are convinced that The Secret for why Superman has so much enduring popularity is "The supporting cast". They are the real reason why a lame, boring boy scout is still so successful. So, a show focusing on just the supporting cast will do even better, once you strip out that weight from around its neck, right?

IOW, they fundamentally don't get Superman, and are unwilling to accept that maybe the "lame boring boy scout" *is* the appeal.

I hope they have more brains than that but you never know!

There needs to be a hero like Superman out there. When done right he’ll be as big as any other hero IMO.
 

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