The Defenders Devil of Hell's Kitchen

[Shazam]

Just saw the trailer........and a disturbingly large amount of DAREDEVIL fighting in regulare street clothes........

A LOT of scenes like that!! So are they telling us that he looks stupid next to all the others who dont have official battle togs???? This is more realistic?? What about his secret identity??? Isnt that still in play?? And yet he's standing there in some scenes, WITHOUT EVEN THAT SMELLY SCARF of Jessica's, wrapped around his face!

Why did he have a costume made?? Because he almost got gutted by Nabu!! And now he's going up against The Hand in a shirt and tie?? I notice that even in every promo up to now, he's not wearing the DD suit. We get one shot of him opening his chest and seemingly getting ready to put it on.....but does he??

This would be very disappointing..... This is a superhero series. At least one of these should look the part.

 

[legendkillin]

Just saw the trailer........and a disturbingly large amount of DAREDEVIL fighting in regulare street clothes........

A LOT of scenes like that!! Some are they telling us that he's look stupid next to all the others who dont have official battle togs???? This is more realistic?? What about his secret identity??? Isnt that still in play?? And yet he's standing there in some scenes, WITHOUT EVEN THAT SMELLY SCARF of Jessica's, wrapped around his face!

Why did he have a costume made?? Because he almost got gutted by Nabu!! And now he's going up against The Hand in a shirt and tie?? I notice that even in every promo up to now, he's not wearing the DD suit. We get one shot of him opening his chest and seemingly getting ready to put it on.....but does he??

This would be very disappointing..... This is a superhero series. At least one of these should look the part.

I figure the events that occur happen out of nowhere and they have no time to prepare. He will pick up his costume later but most of the time they are on the run and in a hurry.

 

[Shazam]

I figure the events that occur happen out of nowhere and they have no time to prepare. He will pick up his costume later but most of the time they are on the run and in a hurry.

I beg to differ.....there's the scene that appears to be them storming the enemy HQ......

 

[pixen]

You don't know the context of the scene. Calm down a bit and wait to jump to conclusions once you actually watch the miniseries.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The costume was specifically referenced in the trailer. We saw it. It'll be in the series.

 

[pixen]

And he's even wearing it when they are in that empty theatre/warehouse. He's not going to go around the city in his tie and suit and scarf if he can get to his costume. But if he's out and about, he's not going to just be wearing it underneath like Spiderman does.

 

[Herolee10]

At this point, it only irritates me that Matt will seemingly be the ONLY defender to even have a costume. Luke and Jessica not having any I can understand but to not even give Danny his and to make Matt the only odd one of the group to have a costume is baffling.

 

[righthooksrus86]

It's kinda cool seeing Matt fight without the costume imo. Im sure he'll wear the costume tho.

 

[Matt Parker]

Didn't Charlie Cox say that he's given up being Daredevil at the beginning? Maybe he makes the choice to put that costume back on at some point in the series as part of a character arc.

 

[pixen]

Didn't Charlie Cox say that he's given up being Daredevil at the beginning? Maybe he makes the choice to put that costume back on at some point in the series as part of a character arc.

Yes, he did, because of Elektra's death. Charlie Cox talked about it in the EW issue.

Well, it’s been a few months since the end of season 2. I think it’s been quite a challenging few months for him. He took the death of Elektra very badly —I think he feels responsible for that. One of Matt’s big things is trying to protect the people he loves, which is why he keeps his identity hidden, and he’s failed. He’s left holding the dead body of a loved one, and so I think he’s tried to turn a corner.

It’s almost like quitting an addiction in the hope that it will get easier. He’s perhaps a little bit lost, and the best he can do for now is to not engage in his vigilante activities. When we meet him at the beginning of The Defenders, I’m not sure he’s completely found peace with that idea. I think he’s doing the best with what he can at the time. He finds himself between a rock and a hard place, which is the crux of his issue really from the beginning of season 1. “Should I or shouldn’t I? What is more beneficial to society?”

 

[TheVileOne]

At this point, it only irritates me that Matt will seemingly be the ONLY defender to even have a costume. Luke and Jessica not having any I can understand but to not even give Danny his and to make Matt the only odd one of the group to have a costume is baffling.

These shows hate the costumes in general.

 

[pixen]

These shows hate the costumes in general.

Though to be fair, only Daredevil and Iron Fist have actual costumes in the comic. Daredevil had his comic accurate starting look from Man Without Fear for the first season with his devil suit for the final episode and then he had the suit for the entirety of season 2. Then he'll have the costume in The Defenders.

The only person to not get a look was Iron Fist and while it would have been great to get one, his first season was written where he didn't necessarily need one. Though they really should have just given him one... Here's to hoping he feels inspired by Matt's scarf use in that hallway fight.

They've been faithful to the Jessica and Luke's looks though. Which is basically street clothes but just had to add this.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Yeah, I'm curious if Iron Fist is gonna get his costume here, but for some reason I don't think he will. I partially just think they can't make it look worth a damn, but DD's MW/OF costume was great, so idk why they can't do something similar with IF.

 

[Shazam]

These shows hate the costumes in general.

I agree.... I saw where this show takes place in a 48 hour period. That's pretty fast........and those previews only show Matt looking at his suit, not putting it on. Every fight scene is him in street clothes....

All I know, is that I'm gonna be pretty disappointed....

This would be a very Netflix style of suit.........

 

[Herolee10]

There are set photos that show Matt in his full costume on set. He is also wearing his costume, sans his mask and gloves, in some shots of the trailer when everyone is fighting outside.

 

[pixen]

I agree.... I saw where this show takes place in a 48 hour period. That's pretty fast........and those previews only show Matt looking at his suit, not putting it on. Every fight scene is him in street clothes....

All I know, is that I'm gonna be pretty disappointed....

This would be a very Netflix style of suit.........

You don't know when those fight scenes happen and what the context is for them. If he needs to fight and is nowhere near his suit, he's going to fight in what he has. Fans like to assume things and run with it and it's getting really tiring. And it's not that the creators/showrunners for The Defenders hate suits, as Daredevil wore his in every episode of season 2.

 

[MurkeNyou]

A couple of the showrunners and marvel people have an open disdain for comic book costuming. Jeph Loeb for example. Smallville, Heroes, now Marvel tv product.

 

[pixen]

A couple of the showrunners and marvel people have an open disdain for comic book costuming. Jeph Loeb for example. Smallville, Heroes, now Marvel tv product.

Heroes didn't have a history to fall back on regarding costumes so that's a poor example to use. As for Smallville, he didn't showrun it. Miles Millar and Alfred Gough were the creators and showrunners and they make the decisions when it comes to outfits.

This also brings in the fact that Jeph Loeb is not showrunning any of the Netflix shows. The only showrunner who doesn't seem to be a fan of costumes is Scott Buck and he isn't running this miniseries.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Daredevil used the costume, but I'm not convinced they're a huge fan of it given that they waited until the last scene of the first season and they've made substantial modifications to the comics costume. I would argue more than any of the movies did, but certainly up there with Captain America, who was the most modified in The First Avenger.

 

[pixen]

Daredevil used the costume, but I'm not convinced they're a huge fan of it given that they waited until the last scene of the first season and they've made substantial modifications to the comics costume. I would argue more than any of the movies did, but certainly up there with Captain America, who was the most modified in The First Avenger.

I hate this reasoning. Just because they only had him in the suit for the final episode of the first season doesn't mean they hate costumes. The showrunner wanted Matt to earn it and not just quickly get it. They wanted some pay off. He had a costume on for the first 12 episodes, that people liked too and it was comic accurate too. As for substantial modifications? They changed the cowl and made it a little baggier while adding some more red to it. Which they stuck with in The Defenders. So let's not refer to Captain Americas costume history, who has changed costumes so much during his films. Especially since most of that is done for toys/merchandise and not because they were unhappy about his look.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I hate this reasoning. Just because they only had him in the suit for the final episode of the first season doesn't mean they hate costumes. The showrunner wanted Matt to earn it and not just quickly get it. They wanted some pay off.

The same argument is being made in Iron Fist. That he hasn't earned it yet. Hasn't stopped the same criticism.

As for substantial modifications? They changed the cowl and made it a little baggier while adding some more red to it.

Changed from the comics, not changed from season one to two. They added a ton of random black all over the costume after toning it down so it's barely red at all (and looks purple in street lighting).

 

[pixen]

The same argument is being made in Iron Fist. That he hasn't earned it yet. Hasn't stopped the same criticism.

Changed from the comics, not changed from season one to two. They added a ton of random black all over the costume after toning it down so it's barely red at all (and looks purple in street lighting).

Yes, but the showrunner of Iron Fist is not show running The Defenders. So the point is mute. Could he still not get a look? Sure, but I'd rather the DD showrunner help make it than the awful Scott Buck.

As for DD's costume, are you color blind? The Season 2 look was actually red and they got rid of a lot of the black on the costume. Yes, there is still some on the suit but it's a lot better than season 2 "purple" one.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I didn't notice any changes to the costume aside from the cowl. Those changes were even plot related. But the rest of it looks the same to me.

My point is that Daredevil showrunners and Iron Fist showrunners made the exact same argument regarding the costume. Daredevil showed a costume in the final scene of the first season and get a past while Iron Fist showed (a very accurate costume) in grainy footage on a different Iron Fist and get accused of being disingenuous for the same statements. Scott Buck never said he wasn't a fan of the costume, he said that it wouldn't have fit his season. I don't see how we can say he's not a fan of costumes, but Jeph Loeb (who also gave us Agents of SHIELD's Mockingbird and Deathlok) is.

 

[Random490]

I didn't notice any changes to the costume aside from the cowl. Those changes were even plot related. But the rest of it looks the same to me.

The gloves/forearm bits changed and some other minor things, like the piece of armor on his shoulder was re-painted red instead of black

My point is that Daredevil showrunners and Iron Fist showrunners made the exact same argument regarding the costume. Daredevil showed a costume in the final scene of the first season and get a past while Iron Fist showed (a very accurate costume) in grainy footage on a different Iron Fist and get accused of being disingenuous for the same statements. Scott Buck never said he wasn't a fan of the costume, he said that it wouldn't have fit his season. I don't see how we can say he's not a fan of costumes, but Jeph Loeb (who also gave us Agents of SHIELD's Mockingbird and Deathlok) is.

Exactly. Comparing IF with DD: Daredevil season 1 had a proto-costume and saved the actual costume for an epic reveal in the climax. Also Matt's character is a vigilante who desire to keep his identity secret. The way Iron Fist was plotted and written is very different from DD and it wouldn't make sense to include it. Danny is a naive, overly trusting, and honor-bound warrior coming home from an absence trying to get a sense of his destiny. He shows zeroes intentions of lying or hiding who he is. In the context of the character and the story, as it is written, suddenly giving him a costume wouldn't make sense and feel very shoe horned. Unlike Daredevil whose plot perfectly incorporated not only the need of the red costume, but the origin and reveal as well. Iron Fist's storyline didn't call for it the same way as DD. Also The climax of Iron Fist would have be really weird if he wore a costume given the situation. Just wouldn't have worked the same.

The lack of costumes in Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist was not done because of some irrational hatred for costumes. It was a choice made to better reflect the character and stories they were trying to tell.

Now should they have gone a different direction incorporate the costume? I certainly think so, but would also require major rewrites and a completely different climax to properly incorporate it. I mean I'm glad it's story drive and not being shoved in last minute, but come on, it's a superhero show, you gotta have something. At the very least I think they should have introduced the mask maybe as [BLACKOUT]a relic that was left behind and ended up with Bakuto who then gives it to Danny after watching the tape or he finds it at the entrance to Kun Lun at the end season as a final tease[/BLACKOUT] Something more substantial for the next season to pick up on.

The motivation is creatively driven, whether you liked or not, or was successful or not is a different matter.

 

[pixen]

The gloves/forearm bits changed and some other minor things, like the piece of armor on his shoulder was re-painted red instead of black

Exactly. Comparing IF with DD: Daredevil season 1 had a proto-costume and saved the actual costume for an epic reveal in the climax. Also Matt's character is a vigilante who desire to keep his identity secret. The way Iron Fist was plotted and written is very different from DD and it wouldn't make sense to include it. Danny is a naive, overly trusting, and honor-bound warrior coming home from an absence trying to get a sense of his destiny. He shows zeroes intentions of lying or hiding who he is. In the context of the character and the story, as it is written, suddenly giving him a costume wouldn't make sense and feel very shoe horned. Unlike Daredevil whose plot perfectly incorporated not only the need of the red costume, but the origin and reveal as well. Iron Fist's storyline didn't call for it the same way as DD. Also The climax of Iron Fist would have be really weird if he wore a costume given the situation. Just wouldn't have worked the same.

The lack of costumes in Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist was not done because of some irrational hatred for costumes. It was a choice made to better reflect the character and stories they were trying to tell.

Now should they have gone a different direction incorporate the costume? I certainly think so, but would also require major rewrites and a completely different climax to properly incorporate it. I mean I'm glad it's story drive and not being shoved in last minute, but come on, it's a superhero show, you gotta have something. At the very least I think they should have introduced the mask maybe as [BLACKOUT]a relic that was left behind and ended up with Bakuto who then gives it to Danny after watching the tape or he finds it at the entrance to Kun Lun at the end season as a final tease[/BLACKOUT] Something more substantial for the next season to pick up on.

The motivation is creatively driven, whether you liked or not, or was successful or not is a different matter.

Finally, someone else who gets it.