Did Peter (technically) kill Brock?

[drmick]

I hope the thread title isn't too provovative.

Something about Eddie's apparent death at the end bothers me (apart from Peter seemingly using his power of the Force, Force-Pull, to extract the pumpkin bomb).

Whereas in the first film, the Burglar (the allegedly un-nameable Dennis Carradine) fell while trying to kill Peter, in SM3 Brock was making no such move at the time.

The best analogy I can come up with is this:
Imagine a wild dog (or an escaped lion from the zoo) running rampage on the streets maiming folk. An armed citizen finally comes to the rescue. However just as he is about to shoot, the animal's owner jumps in an attempt to save the animal (rightly or wrongly), and both animal and owner are killed.

Wouldn't the shooter now be guilty of manslaughter (or whatever the equivalent would be)?

And also:

As far as we know Brock didn't kill anybody in the film.

And couldn't Peter have web-zipped Brock out as he was jumping into the symbiote?

Any thoughts?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think so. Brock surprised him, and by the time he saw it, it was too late to do anything about it.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Even though he does have minor force powers, hes not a jedi. The time it took Eddie to jump into the symbiote and for the bomb to explode was a few seconds. Peter reacted and reached out toward him, he even advanced toward the bomb. He tried to save him.

Allowing the symbiote to roam free in a church may have been the more serious offense, although by that point he was all danced out and pretty much too tired to care, as I would be.

 

[webhead731]

They cut it out of the movie, but in the novel Brock had killed the original cab driver.

 

[shigsy2003]

He didn't mean to kill Brock. My problem is why Peter never tied Eddie up...actually this is a minor gripe I have with all three films. Why does Spidey never tie anyone up with his webs? They are either trapped like flies and just web zipped, never bound.

 

[GuyverOne]

Brock killed himself.

 

[The Joker]

Brock killed himself.

The only thing he did right in the movie

 

[Toxin72]

I hope the thread title isn't too provovative.

Something about Eddie's apparent death at the end bothers me (apart from Peter seemingly using his power of the Force, Force-Pull, to extract the pumpkin bomb).

Whereas in the first film, the Burglar (the allegedly un-nameable Dennis Carradine) fell while trying to kill Peter, in SM3 Brock was making no such move at the time.

The best analogy I can come up with is this:
Imagine a wild dog (or an escaped lion from the zoo) running rampage on the streets maiming folk. An armed citizen finally comes to the rescue. However just as he is about to shoot, the animal's owner jumps in an attempt to save the animal (rightly or wrongly), and both animal and owner are killed.

Wouldn't the shooter now be guilty of manslaughter (or whatever the equivalent would be)?

And also:

As far as we know Brock didn't kill anybody in the film.

And couldn't Peter have web-zipped Brock out as he was jumping into the symbiote?

Any thoughts?

Im pretty sure the pumpkin bomb thing is hand activated kinda like those hand dryers in public bathrooms that can sense when your hands are under it.

 

[ultimatefan]

He clearly tried to save Brock by separating him from the symbiote. When Brock jumped into it, he had already thrown the bomb. Like in SM1 with Norman, it can be said that Brock killed himself... IF he stays dead.

 

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Even though he does have minor force powers, hes not a jedi. The time it took Eddie to jump into the symbiote and for the bomb to explode was a few seconds. Peter reacted and reached out toward him, he even advanced toward the bomb. He tried to save him.

Allowing the symbiote to roam free in a church may have been the more serious offense, although by that point he was all danced out and pretty much too tired to care, as I would be.

He didn't have force powers . If you guys payed attention Harry put his hand above the board (aerial fight) and a bomb came out. The board must be motion sensered, and all Peter needed to do was put his hand above it.


As for Brock, Peter warned him "Brock NOOOOOOOOOO... BOOM. So yeah.

 

[Akimych]

I love Brock

 

[Dragon]

I hope the thread title isn't too provovative.

Something about Eddie's apparent death at the end bothers me (apart from Peter seemingly using his power of the Force, Force-Pull, to extract the pumpkin bomb).

Whereas in the first film, the Burglar (the allegedly un-nameable Dennis Carradine) fell while trying to kill Peter, in SM3 Brock was making no such move at the time.

The best analogy I can come up with is this:
Imagine a wild dog (or an escaped lion from the zoo) running rampage on the streets maiming folk. An armed citizen finally comes to the rescue. However just as he is about to shoot, the animal's owner jumps in an attempt to save the animal (rightly or wrongly), and both animal and owner are killed.

Wouldn't the shooter now be guilty of manslaughter (or whatever the equivalent would be)?

And also:

As far as we know Brock didn't kill anybody in the film.

And couldn't Peter have web-zipped Brock out as he was jumping into the symbiote?

Any thoughts?

No. Peter isn't responsible. The animal owner you mentioned would have been wrong to throw himself into the line of fire. If he couldn't get control of the animal prior to there being a need to put it down, then he blew it.

As for Spidey 3, if you look at the sequence, Peter CLEARLY has no time to save Eddie. And Eddie DOES kill someone. Harry. He shows no remorse for that and continues in his attempt to kill Peter. And the fact that he intends to kill Peter for the clearly frivolous reasons he has says how past the point of saving Eddie is.

 

[GothamProtector]

I also don't like the fact that Spidey let Sandman get away. He should have said "I forgive you. I still have to bring you in." Sandman evades Peter, then gets away. That would have made more sense.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

And let Sandmans daughter die. How heroic.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Even if the Sky-Stick pumpkin-bomb dispensor is motion activated like fancy faucets at the good Chili's, I still like believe Spiderman has at least a respectable midichlorian count.

Maybe he shouldnt have told Sandman that he has to take him in, but that there is a better way or some nonsense. Sandman is too powerful, he flies around as sand. INSANE!

 

[November Rain]

I think spidey is somehow responsible...

also if you look at it this way, spidey destroys an innocent sentient life in the form of the symbiote.

The symbiote itself is not shown to be evil, it only amplifies the aggresion of the user, just like any weapon is as dangerous or as safe as the person wielding it.

the whole symbiote and eddie fiasco was handled badly, unfortunately the cartoon dealt with it in a more realistic manner and the film didn't look like it wanted to directly copy it since it had directly copied it in many other scenes.


pete is responsible for eddie's death in the same light as he believes he was 'originally responsible for uncle ben's death and gwens in the comics).

but no one even acknoledges that he has died, at least with ock one can assume that all of his family died with his wife but nothing with eddie brock junior.

 

[lordofthenerds]

And let Sandmans daughter die. How heroic.

He never knew about Sandman's daughter until the end of the movie...and she never died.

 

[Spider-X]

Hell no he's not responsible...he threw the gernade at the symbiote...eddie CHOSE to jump into the gernade, Spidey didn't push him or anything.

and the symbiote is in no way innocent November Rain...it tried to bond with an unwilling host and when it couldn't it chose a host that would try to kill he previos host. That's called revenge, which is in no way an innocent trait.

 

[November Rain]

the symbiote didn't choose anything, it merely placed itself on the closest available person.

generally, if you detonate an explosive device in the viscinity of civilians and one is caught in the blast, you are responsible for their death.

we've seen in the first film how fast spidey is cabaple of reacting and ontop of that his spidersense failed to warn him of the danger of a bystander about to get blown up, even though it managed to do exactly the same thing in the first film before the goblin showed up at the world's fair.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Yes,Brock did die.Did people not see both him and the symbiote vaporized in the blast?

 

[Immortalfire]

By Brock, do you mean that Brock...Edward Brock Junior?

 

[SlyGuyTtjn]

By Brock, do you mean that Brock...Edward Brock Junior?

haha. I love those scenes.

"Robbie, give Billy here money for the photo"
"It's Brock sir. Edward Brock Junior."


"Who are you?"
"I'm Brock sir. Edward Brock Junior... And I'm dating your daughter"

 

[Akimych]

You know what!!!

It was Eddie Brock Jr.

SO IT WILL BE ANOTHER VENOM - EDDIE BROCK SR. !!!!!!

HOORAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dark Spidey]

Im pretty sure the pumpkin bomb thing is hand activated kinda like those hand dryers in public bathrooms that can sense when your hands are under it.

Exactly! What with all this Force-pull crap? We even see Harry using what I took to be a motion sensor during his first fight with Peter.

 

[Dark Spidey]

And even technically speaking, no Peter did not kill Eddie.

Even after he saw Peter throw the pumpkin bomb at the Symbiote, Eddie still decided to jump in anyway. It was suicide. End of.