Discussion: All Things Union

[Kelly]

Wow, gotta love those unions......most efficient workers around.

Notice to viewer: I would check to see what factory your Chrysler was made at....just a suggestion.



Update: I believe 13 union workers were fired after this report.

 

[dnno1]

Wow, gotta love those unions......most efficient workers around.

Notice to viewer: I would check to see what factory your Chrysler was made at....just a suggestion.



Update: I believe 13 union workers were fired after this report.

Obviously, they haven't been to Germany.

 

[Kelly]

Seriously? that is your comment on that? lmao, you are lost my friend, lost to your love for unions....

 

[Marx]

Opponents of the anti-union bill here in Ohio got enough signatures to have the measure placed on the November ballot. "SB5" will now go to a public vote this fall.

 

[Kelly]

Well I know one Ohio teacher that would love for the bill to go through. She asked for her dues to be refunded when she found out that her dues went to the Democratic candidate for one of the state senate seats. Her husband was the Republican candidate and the Democrat was running attack ads that she said were full force lies. She simply wanted her dues refunded. She called her representative, they told her to go fly a kite. Then she went to the state representatives and they actually "laughed" at her, one of the representatives of the union she spoke with told her to stop whining....that that was how politics was and if her husband couldn't handle the heat he shouldn't run.

Gotta love those unions....

 

[StorminNorman]

Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district

The Kaukauna School District, in the Fox River Valley of Wisconsin near Appleton, has about 4,200 students and about 400 employees. It has struggled in recent times and this year faced a deficit of $400,000. But after the law went into effect, at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, school officials put in place new policies they estimate will turn that $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. And it's all because of the very provisions that union leaders predicted would be disastrous.

 

[hippie_hunter]

So, what does everyone think about the recalls that happened in Wisconsin? In my opinion, huge blow for the Democrats.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Happy Labor Day to all.

 

[Handsome Rob]

So, remember all the crying on the Hype over the so-called "violent rhetoric" coming from the Tea Party? Or the outcry over Palin using gunsights to identify battleground districts? Let's see if their outrage is bipartisan . . .

Hoffa Threatens GOP at Obama Event: "Take These S.O.B.'s Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b_____ out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.

I'll wait for the outrage . . .

 

[BlackLantern]

yea....thats all I got

 

[redhawk23]

yep, the rhetoric is still useless, irresponsible and non-productive...

 

[dnno1]

Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district

The truth of the matter is that the unions had a proposal back in April that would have saved the district $1.8 million (more than what actually happened after Act 10 stripped away their collective bargaining rights). This wasn't about saving any money. It was about the power to dictate whatever the state or local governments wanted without having to deal with an union.

 

[dnno1]

So, remember all the crying on the Hype over the so-called "violent rhetoric" coming from the Tea Party? Or the outcry over Palin using gunsights to identify battleground districts? Let's see if their outrage is bipartisan . . .

Hoffa Threatens GOP at Obama Event: "Take These S.O.B.'s Out"

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b_____ out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.

I'll wait for the outrage . . .

This was not exactly what he said and is taken out of context. Here is his actual quote:

... We are going to hear from President Obama in a few minutes, and I am so glad that he has come to Michigan because this is where he sees the real America. He looks out on this army of people and you know what I say? President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. President Obama, we want one thing: Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs…(The crowd joins the chant.)



That’s what we are going to tell America…..When he sees what we are doing here, he will be inspired, but he needs help. And you know what? Everybody here has got a vote. If we go back, we keep the eye on the prize, lets take these sons-of-*****es out and give America back to America where we belong.”

You take out the "Everybody here has got to vote" part and one would think that he was inciting violence. The truth of the matter is that he was metaphorically using the elements of warfare to incite people to vote.

 

[Handsome Rob]

This was not exactly what he said and is taken out of context. Here is his actual quote:



You take out the "Everybody here has got to vote" part and one would think that he was inciting violence. The truth of the matter is that he was metaphorically using the elements of warfare to incite people to vote.

Of course he was. And, Palin's use of crosshairs on targeted districts in the 2010 election was a metaphorical use of warfare, as well. Incidentally, so is referring to a state as a "battleground" state.

I don't care about warfare imagery--heck, the very word "campaign" has its roots in warfare. It doesn't bother me. I've defended and will continue to defend going as far as hanging/burning politicians in effigy as a manner of protest.

What does bother me is the blatant hypocrisy on the left concerning the use of warfare imagery. Many of the same people, including those on this site, who decried Palin's use of crosshairs--who said that it would or could incite violence--are noticeably quiet about Hoffa's warfare language. The same people who gripe about the Tea Party will be conspicuously quiet about Hoffa's language, the Tea Party Zombie killing game, or the recent Union Thugs and their destruction of property and holding of security guards.

The Union Thug action is the only part of the above that I oppose. Yet, I don't expect a peep out of most of the Hype leftists about any of it . . . you know, the same ones who would fret and bellyache about the "violence" behind a guy holding a poster at a peaceful Tea Party rally that says, "Hands off my guns."

 

[chaseter]

I don't get why the left demonize the rich and glamorize the unions when the heads of these unions are millionaires with huge salaries that they take from the working man. The left glamorize unions headed by these millionaires because the union heads then take the union dues and use them to fund DNC campaigns. Oh but a corporation giving money to John McCain is sickening.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Ok. Get rid of the Unions. Now what sort of lobbying power do we have? The Tea Party?


What a joke.

 

[chaseter]

Why do we need lobbying? I thought lobbyists were going to be done away with by Obama. He even talked about how bad special interests were last night yet he had the head of a special interest group sitting in his box.

 

[Franklin Richards]

We still have them. Getting rid of ours only leaves yours.



Be realistic.

 

[chaseter]

What? Getting rid of ours only leaves yours? Our, your what?

Unions are special interest machines for the left. They are somehow good but oil companies are bad. I love how fat cat CEOs are awful but fat cat Union heads are a-okay.

 

[Franklin Richards]

So you're saying if Labor and the Poor would just submit to all the wishes of the Job Creators that a new utopia would arise?

 

[hippie_hunter]

So you're saying if Labor and the Poor would just submit to all the wishes of the Job Creators that a new utopia would arise?

That's not the problem. The problem lies how the heads of labor have come so far detached from the workers they're supposed to represent. They've become special interest machines for the left as opposed to legitimately representing what their workers want. You have the heads of unions making millions when they're not doing a good job at representing workers.

 

[Franklin Richards]

As opposed to the CEO's of business who get golden parachutes?

And whether you want to admit it or not, The Left is the one protecting the social safety nets. And here's another shocker Workers want these safety nets. So without the Unions we got zip. Nada. NOTHING. Is that better?


Of course not.

We have to fix our in house problems and wasteful spending? You bet. But we're not going to turn everything over to Corporations to decide what's in our best interests.

War on Unions is war on working people's interests.

 

[hippie_hunter]

As opposed to the CEO's of business who get golden parachutes?

I kinda see big business to be just as bad as big labor. The vast majority of these CEOs don't deserve the golden parachutes they're given considering that they too aren't doing their jobs very well either.

And whether you want to admit it or not, The Left is the one protecting the social safety nets. And here's another shocker Workers want these safety nets. So without the Unions we got zip. Nada. NOTHING. Is that better?


Of course not.

The problem with the left in their protection of entitlement programs is that they refuse to change them thus hurting the viability of such programs in the long run.

Let's look at this realistically. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. are never going to go away. I have constantly railed outside of the Hype how those programs have become outdated relics of the 1930's and 1960's. But advocating to get rid of them is just unrealistic.

We have to fix our in house problems and wasteful spending? You bet. But we're not going to turn everything over to Corporations to decide what's in our best interests.

War on Unions is war on working people's interests.

Union leadership don't give a damn about the working people's interests.

 

[dnno1]

Of course he was. And, Palin's use of crosshairs on targeted districts in the 2010 election was a metaphorical use of warfare, as well. Incidentally, so is referring to a state as a "battleground" state.

I don't care about warfare imagery--heck, the very word "campaign" has its roots in warfare. It doesn't bother me. I've defended and will continue to defend going as far as hanging/burning politicians in effigy as a manner of protest.

What does bother me is the blatant hypocrisy on the left concerning the use of warfare imagery. Many of the same people, including those on this site, who decried Palin's use of crosshairs--who said that it would or could incite violence--are noticeably quiet about Hoffa's warfare language. The same people who gripe about the Tea Party will be conspicuously quiet about Hoffa's language, the Tea Party Zombie killing game, or the recent Union Thugs and their destruction of property and holding of security guards.

The Union Thug action is the only part of the above that I oppose. Yet, I don't expect a peep out of most of the Hype leftists about any of it . . . you know, the same ones who would fret and bellyache about the "violence" behind a guy holding a poster at a peaceful Tea Party rally that says, "Hands off my guns."

That doesn't change what I said. The report you posted took his speech out of context, and that should be clarified. You were waiting for the outrage and there would be a higher chance of that happening when you take what a person said out of context.

 

[dnno1]

That's not the problem. The problem lies how the heads of labor have come so far detached from the workers they're supposed to represent. They've become special interest machines for the left as opposed to legitimately representing what their workers want. You have the heads of unions making millions when they're not doing a good job at representing workers.

Where are you getting that from? The power structures of labor unions are democratic in nature and the members do vote on collective bargaining agreements as well as their leadership. If the membership is not happy with their leadership, they would vote them out of that position.