Discussion: Illegal Immigration and Other Citizenship Issues

[chaseter]

Spending it on any form of infrastructure is way better than throwing it down a proverbial endless pit.

 

[Marx]

Immigrating legally is not impossible. Millions of people take the time and effort to go through years of waiting and mounds of paperwork to go through the proper channels, because they care about doing it the right way.

IMO, if you want to come to a country and find a better life, have the basic respect to follow its laws.

Jumping across the border and using fake or stolen IDs, mooching off the system without paying back into it, and stealing jobs from American citizens, and THEN having the chutzpah to protest in the streets demanding more rights, is lazy and arrogant.

Well said man.

 

[BlackLantern]

Spending it on any form of infrastructure is way better than throwing it down a proverbial endless pit.

The DoD is always going to get its budget, whether it needs it or not....the DoD is like the big football or baseball team....everything else is like chess club or band, they get scraps

 

[chaseter]

Imagine if they still had the budget that they get for these two wars and spent that money building border fences and patrolling the border. Illegal immigration would be down considerably and our country would be safer from threats that we are fighting overseas to stop them from coming here...which they still can and which they still do. We took out Saddam, now come back and have a few troops left in Afghanistan as an information source for more drone and stealth attacks.

 

[BlackLantern]

but that's not the DoDs area...I believe Border Patrol is under the Department of Justice..I could be wrong though

 

[Kelly]

It falls under the Department of Homeland Security

 

[BlackLantern]

yay...I learned something new today..

 

[chaseter]

Department of Superhero Relations.

 

[Marx]

IT'S OFFICIAL: FED TO SUE ARIZONA OVER IMMIGRATION BILL
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/06/u-s-v-arizona-feds-sue-to-block-state-immigration-law/

 

[StorminNorman]

No one using logic can argue that the Constitution lists immigration as a Federal job, nor that the Constitution bans the states from handling immigration.

The Constitution allows the Federal government to handle issues of Nationalization, but it doesn't Prohibit states from handling nationalization, and no where does it mention immigration from either side.

It is worth noting that the Constitution explicitly states what rights the Federal government has that the States do not (taking away the argument that the mention of Nationalization as a Federal power prohibits States) as shown by the fact it says the Federal Government has the ability to mint money and forbids the States from doing so.

 

[Kelly]

What I find kind of strange is the one thing that the President, the Secretary of State, the President of Mexico, Shakira, and some dude off of Univision have all almost bled out their eyes over the fact that this law WILL lead to racial profiling, but that is not even mentioned in ANY FORM OR FASHION in this law suit. Strange....

 

[Schlosser85]

The only thing Arizona is doing is actually enforcing the laws the feds already have on the books.

Since the federal government has proven for decades that it is not willing to enforce the immigration laws, it falls to the states to defend themselves and their citizens.

I hope AZ flips the government the bird, personally. If they had done their job in the first place, this wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Marx]

The only thing Arizona is doing is actually enforcing the laws the feds already have on the books.

Since the federal government has proven for decades that it is not willing to enforce the immigration laws, it falls to the states to defend themselves and their citizens.

I hope AZ flips the government the bird, personally. If they had done their job in the first place, this wouldn't be necessary.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this case turns out...

 

[Kelly]

Well, if they find the Arizona law unconstitutional, hmmmmm, what will we do with the Federal Law, it actually has stronger language than the Arizona law....I guess it will have to be thrown out as well. sucks.....

 

[Schlosser85]

Arizona should just go ahead and enforce it anyway. Who cares.

 

[Marx]

Well, if they find the Arizona law unconstitutional, hmmmmm, what will we do with the Federal Law, it actually has stronger language than the Arizona law....I guess it will have to be thrown out as well. sucks.....

Exactly.

 

[Kelly]

Arizona should just go ahead and enforce it anyway. Who cares.

The DOJ is also working on getting an injunction to stop the law from taking effect.

 

[Schlosser85]

The feds are being total hypocrites, Arizona is doing nothing more than enforcing their own laws that they already have and ignore!

What is this, "if we don't enforce the law, then no one else can either!"?

 

[Marx]

All I can say is that if the Fed wins this lawsuit, serious action needs to follow on the federal immigration front.

 

[Schlosser85]

If they won't enforce the laws THEY already have on the books, they need to butt out of Arizona's business. This smacks of vote-grabbing.

 

[Kelly]

All I can say is that if the Fed wins this lawsuit, serious action needs to follow on the federal immigration front.

The Rule of Law is shot to hell if the Feds win this law suit....I don't like the law, I've made that pretty clear, I think it will end up hurting the police efforts rather than helping them.....but the reasoning behind this lawsuit is ridiculous.

 

[chaseter]

I am fine with the Feds taking Arizona to court as it technically is the Fed's power to control immigration. However, if after this the Feds do not step up and beef up the border or do stronger measures to pick up the slack...then I will be pissed.

My main beef with all of this still is that people completely overreacted and a good portion of those people were completely ignorant on the issue like Eric Holder. They didn't even read the damn thing. People that boycotted Arizona also got on my nerve. If they want to claim that every brown skinned person will be harassed, then I say that anybody who boycotted Arizona condones illegal immigration.

 

[Kelly]

Ya know Chase, I might would agree with you if Obama, Holder, Clinton, etc had not *****ed so much about it being a problem because it would lead to racial profiling, instead of taking their lumps and saying......yep, you're right, the Federal government isn't doing anything....but no, Obama makes a speech. And then says that the borders are safer than they ever have been....WTF? he is clueless, and doesn't seem to care enough to go and see for himself. Had he done some of that, I might would say ok....but they haven't, and it ends up looking like a little baby screaming because someone took their toy that they never play with....

 

[StorminNorman]

I am fine with the Feds taking Arizona to court as it technically is the Fed's power to control immigration.

Technically? Technically according to whom? Not the Constitution.

 

[Kelly]

True, immigration is not mentioned in the Constitution, but there is a pesky little amendment called the 10th Amendment that does state...

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

hmmmmmmmmm.....