Discussion: Illegal Immigration and Other Citizenship Issues

[Schlosser85]

If the government is going to sue Arizona to stop it from enforcing the government's own immigration laws, then they damn well better have some kind of solution of their own.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Anonymous group sends list of 1,300 alleged "illegal immigrants" to government agencies and law enforcement in Utah

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...of-1300-identified-as-illegal-immigrants.html

Utah has Hispanics? Somehow, Utah doesn't strike me as "hotbed for Hispanics."

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

The Supreme Court doesn't make law.

The law in this country comes from the CONSTITUTION. The CONSTITUTION does not explicitly state that the States have no control over immigration policy. The Constitution DOES explicitly state what rights they give up to the Federal government. So the lack of such language forbids ANY Federal body - be it judicial, legislative or executive - from taking those rights away from the state. THAT IS HOW AMERICA'S GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSE TO WORK.

For example, Florida should be able to decide how they handle Cuban's showing up on their shores, or how to handle Hattian refugees. I see no reason why the opinion of the Federal Government (or, more specifically, the opinion of a Senator from Massachusetts or a Congressman from California) is superior to that of the Florida house.

I agree with you, but I have to ask a question as legal knowledge is not my forte. But couldn't Arizona's senators and congressman get a coalition together to change the laws of the federal government if it became a legal issue?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Utah has Hispanics? Somehow, Utah doesn't strike me as "hotbed for Hispanics."

Well Utah was a part of Mexico up until 1848 and it already was inhabited by 20,000 Native Americans. Not sure how many Mexicans and Native Americans actually lived there now though.

 

[StorminNorman]

I agree with you, but I have to ask a question as legal knowledge is not my forte. But couldn't Arizona's senators and congressman get a coalition together to change the laws of the federal government if it became a legal issue?

Yes, but that would just be immigration reform legislation - wouldn't it?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Well Utah was a part of Mexico up until 1848 and it already was inhabited by 20,000 Native Americans. Not sure how many Mexicans and Native Americans actually lived there now though.

I know it was a part of Mexico until 1848, but Utah strikes me more as "hotbed of Samoans" than a place where a ton of Latinos live. Utah cannot deport Native Americans or Samoans, because well....Native Americans were here first and the Samoans are from American Samoa, which is basically an American territory and I believe all of those who live in the American territories (A. Samoa, Puerto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands) are automatically American citizens.

8 States and one American territory support the Arizona law:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_states

Umm.....Northern Mariana Islands is not a state.

 

[Darthphere]

I was waiting for the Northern Mariana Islands to weigh in on this debate. Thank God they have answered my call.

 

[Marx]

If the government is going to sue Arizona to stop it from enforcing the government's own immigration laws, then they damn well better have some kind of solution of their own.

My thoughts exactly man.

 

[Tao43]

Well, if they are going to use the excuse that immigration is the US's jurisdiction because a state law infringes on their law, then they need to go after all these cities with so-called sanctuary laws. Because, guess what kids, that violates and inhibits Federal law as well.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I wonder how a National immigration law affects the American territories of Guam, Puerto Rico, The US Virgin Islands, American Samoa and the Northern Mariana Islands.

 

[Kelly]

My question is, why isn't the Federal government suing the 50 sanctuary cities, since they too are going against Federal Law by passing laws that do not coincide with Federal Law, but actually go against it, FAR MORE than the Arizona Law?

Since Clinton passed the Illegal Immigrant Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 sanctuary cities are not following Federal Law.

 

[BlackLantern]

5 other states introducing legislation similar to AZs new law

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...law_copied_by_five_states_mi_sc_mn_pa_ri.html

 

[Schlosser85]

Are the feds going to sue all them too?

 

[Dr. Evil]

5 other states introducing legislation similar to AZs new law

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...law_copied_by_five_states_mi_sc_mn_pa_ri.html

So Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island are going to regulate against illegal immigrants from Canada? I bet the people in those states are furious at Canadians taking jobs away from hard working Americans.

 

[StorminNorman]

Illegal immigration isn't limited to Mexico boarder states. Alabama and Georgia, for example, have been major hubs for illegal immigrants.

 

[BlackLantern]

and its not just Mexico....CT and Mass have seen influxes of Brazilian and Guatemalan illegal immigrants

 

[Dr. Evil]

Illegal immigration isn't limited to Mexico boarder states. Alabama and Georgia, for example, have been major hubs for illegal immigrants.

Of course it isn't limited to Southern Border States, my deal is that laws combating illegal immigration shouldn't be limited to just Hispanics. Asians, Europeans, Canadians, Australians, Africans and Arabs who are here illegally should have the same fate as Hispanics who are here illegally, especially if said Illegal was here in the United States escaping a criminal conviction in their home country and they get arrested for a crime here. The media makes it feel like Hispanics are the only illegal immigrants in the United States, when that's not true and therefore the media portrays immigration laws as geared towards Latinos and Latinos only.

If a group of Illegals from Western Europe, Latin America, Asia and Africa were in Utah selling illegal street drugs, they all should be arrested and stopped as illegal immigrants, not just the Latinos.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Where does the law say it only applies to illegal immigrants of Hispanic origin?

They make up 71% of the illegal immigration population according to some stats from 2004. My guess is it's probably gone up since then.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/44.pdf

 

[Schlosser85]

The laws aren't limited to Latinos. You incessantly make it sound this way, when it's simply not the case.

 

[BlackLantern]

Australia has an issue with illegals from NZ

 

[Kingfish]

The media makes it feel like Hispanics are the only illegal immigrants in the United States, when that's not true and therefore the media portrays immigration laws as geared towards Latinos and Latinos only.

The law was never limited to Latinos and no one ever said it should be. But, when they make up such a large percentage of said group, then obviously the majority of cases and reporting are going to be about that group.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Texas Governor Rick Perry favors increased border control, but opposes similar law to Arizona:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599200446100

Not like it matters, since he'll probably be re-elected anyways.

 

[kane9321]

*sighs*... if the people are making a living and not causing any problems, leave them alone. Hell I have illegal immigrants living all around me. The only problem I have is they have great parties and they don't invite me.

NO.. if you are illegal..you shouldnt be here

 

[chaseter]

Texas Governor Rick Perry favors increased border control, but opposes similar law to Arizona:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599200446100

Not like it matters, since he'll probably be re-elected anyways.

Sadly, he probably will. I guarantee you he isn't favoring doing a similar law so that he can secure some of Texas' latino vote. If he did a similar law right now or said that he was going to, his office would be barraged with angry calls and protesters and he would lose a lot of votes.

 

[Kelly]

Don't count White out, right now they are both at around 41%, they are virtually tied. White can very easily get the Houston and surrounding area. The commercial blitz has not hit yet, and White has more money set aside for that than Perry does.

So I wouldn't count White out by a long shot.

As far as Perry opposing a similar law. He is fine with Arizona having this law, he just doesn't think it would work in Texas. If he is re-elected, you will see something fairly similar, but not exactly like the Arizona law. If White is re-elected, he will push to make Texas a sanctuary state.