Discussion: Relations with Russia

Buying into their own hype, it's what superpowers are good at. The stench of desperation has been hanging over Russia for a while now. That said, don't drop your guard.

I'm just thoroughly impressed with how well the Ukrainians have been doing so far. Let's hope there is no next time, but if there is, that the west doesn't drag its feet again, this kind of support makes all the difference. Maybe the Russians having a rough time themselves is going to help end this in a way that's not...terrible for everybody. You never know.

Ideally Russia gets nothing and pays for everything to be rebuild. Fat chance on the latter, fingers crossed for at least the former, and I'll just keep donating money :shrug:
It is easy to understand this kind of baravdo -- Americans have been told (incorrectly) that Putin is responsible for Trump winning in 2016, and right now, other people (irrelevant Ukrainians) are doing the dying, and the high inflation from this war is predominantly impacting deplorables, ireedemables, young people, and minorities.

This will change if our sons and daughters are out dying in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan so that the military contractors can get rich, or if God forbid a nuke drops on us.
 
Buying into their own hype, it's what superpowers are good at. The stench of desperation has been hanging over Russia for a while now. That said, don't drop your guard.

I'm just thoroughly impressed with how well the Ukrainians have been doing so far. Let's hope there is no next time, but if there is, that the west doesn't drag its feet again, this kind of support makes all the difference. Maybe the Russians having a rough time themselves is going to help end this in a way that's not...terrible for everybody. You never know.

Ideally Russia gets nothing and pays for everything to be rebuild. Fat chance on the latter, fingers crossed for at least the former, and I'll just keep donating money :shrug:
Its about making your shadow bigger than you really are.
Russia were Pros for a long time and as you can see, their propaganda nonsense is still getting to gullible people.
But for the most part Russia made a fatal mistake with their attack on the Ukraine.
It exposed that what is behind the shadow...and that is not as big and dangerous, no matter who good their propaganda is.
For that, too much was revealed of Russias failure.

How this all ends, who knows at this stage.
I assume Russia will get the Minimum they set out to get, then there will be talks of peace.
At the moment its still a War of Endurance.
 
Its about making your shadow bigger than you really are.
Russia were Pros for a long time and as you can see, their propaganda nonsense is still getting to gullible people.
But for the most part Russia made a fatal mistake with their attack on the Ukraine.
It exposed that what is behind the shadow...and that is not as big and dangerous, no matter who good their propaganda is.
For that, too much was revealed of Russias failure.

How this all ends, who knows at this stage.
I assume Russia will get the Minimum they set out to get, then there will be talks of peace.
At the moment its still a War of Endurance.
Next time they want to start something and use the words “special military operation” to
describe their plans, Russians will know that could mean a multi-year conflict.
 

Russia Is Sending Young Africans to Die in Its War Against Ukraine​

  • The Kremlin threatens to deport Africans unless they sign up
  • Officials have adopted tactics first used by Wagner group

Nice. :dry: More Russian men will try to leave.
 

 

I'm sure Ukraine will be happy to get that money. :)
 

The leaders of the G7 have agreed to send Ukraine $50bn (£39bn) by the end of the year by using Russian assets frozen in Europe.

The countries came to an agreement on Wednesday after significant pressure from the US, which has argued the profits from Russian assets should be used to secure loans for Kyiv.

The deal will provide a major funding boost for Ukraine as it enters another summer of conflict with Russia, after making fewer territorial gains than expected this Spring.

The US separately said it would sign a security agreement with Kyiv to lock in American support for a decade, amid concerns about the impact a second Donald Trump presidency could have on Ukraine’s warfighting ability.

Jake Sullivan, the White House national security adviser, said the US would “be sending Russia a signal of our resolve” by making sure that support will “last long into the future”.

The agreement will include a commitment to working with the US Congress on funding Ukraine going forward but will not commit to using American forces on the ground.

The deal, which will also be signed by 15 other countries, will pledge continued weapon shipments and training programmes to build Kyiv’s armed forces, as well as commitments for greater intelligence sharing and joint defence industrial projects.

The two deals will come as a major boost to Ukraine ahead of the next Nato summit in July, where leaders are expected to outline further security commitments but refuse to move the country closer to joining the alliance.

The $50bn in loans will be secured against the profits from Russian assets frozen in Europe since Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Speaking ahead of the G7 summit in Italy tomorrow, the Elysee Palace in Paris said: “We have an agreement.”
 
The Russian federation has offered a peace deal to Ukraine. It stops further conquest of Ukraine and ends the bloodshed if Ukraine agrees to remain neutral.



What I suspect is actually happening is that this is being offered with the knowledge that it will be rejected by Washington, London, and Brussels. Their aim is to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian who is conscripted against their will. But offering this gives Russia the moral high ground when it comes to diplomatic dealings with Africa, East Asia, Latin America, the Muslim World, aka the global majority.

If Biden and Co are serious about wanting to undermine Putin, they'll take the deal.
 


Putin can keep crying with all the fake peace agreements he wants if he feels Russia is losing again now (after his ‘training exercise on the border’ turned into an extended ‘3 day special military operation’ that has run for years.) His words are worthless and he’d just use more time to build up for Russia’s next attacks like he did before. Ukraine isn’t going to give up its land to the terrorist invader so easily.
 
The Russian federation has offered a peace deal to Ukraine. It stops further conquest of Ukraine and ends the bloodshed if Ukraine agrees to remain neutral.



What I suspect is actually happening is that this is being offered with the knowledge that it will be rejected by Washington, London, and Brussels. Their aim is to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian who is conscripted against their will. But offering this gives Russia the moral high ground when it comes to diplomatic dealings with Africa, East Asia, Latin America, the Muslim World, aka the global majority.

If Biden and Co are serious about wanting to undermine Putin, they'll take the deal.

I don't like that it let's Russia keep the extra land they took. Ukraine loses. :(
 


Putin can keep crying with all the fake peace agreements he wants if he feels Russia is losing again now (after his ‘training exercise on the border’ turned into an extended ‘3 day special military operation’ that has run for years.) His words are worthless and he’d just use more time to build up for Russia’s next attacks like he did before. Ukraine isn’t going to give up its land to the terrorist invader so easily.

Exactly this. I don't trust Putin one bit.
 
I don't like that it let's Russia keep the extra land they took. Ukraine loses. :(
That a peace deal has to be reached, is clear...but one that Ukraine sets and Russia agrees...or at least one that is even.
Something like Ukraine agrees to not Join the NATO but Russia gives the land back they stole.

But thats again part of the propaganda.
Offer a deal that has ukraine lose everything, blame them when ukraine doesnt sign it...boom, the gullible think russia is the good guy.
That the bloodshed only exists because of Russia...is forgotten.

Russia could walk away any second, Ukraine probably would sign a "no nato" deal...as long as they get their country back...fully.
 

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