🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine


 

I'm sure Ukraine will be happy to get that money. :)
 

The leaders of the G7 have agreed to send Ukraine $50bn (£39bn) by the end of the year by using Russian assets frozen in Europe.

The countries came to an agreement on Wednesday after significant pressure from the US, which has argued the profits from Russian assets should be used to secure loans for Kyiv.

The deal will provide a major funding boost for Ukraine as it enters another summer of conflict with Russia, after making fewer territorial gains than expected this Spring.

The US separately said it would sign a security agreement with Kyiv to lock in American support for a decade, amid concerns about the impact a second Donald Trump presidency could have on Ukraine’s warfighting ability.

Jake Sullivan, the White House national security adviser, said the US would “be sending Russia a signal of our resolve” by making sure that support will “last long into the future”.

The agreement will include a commitment to working with the US Congress on funding Ukraine going forward but will not commit to using American forces on the ground.

The deal, which will also be signed by 15 other countries, will pledge continued weapon shipments and training programmes to build Kyiv’s armed forces, as well as commitments for greater intelligence sharing and joint defence industrial projects.

The two deals will come as a major boost to Ukraine ahead of the next Nato summit in July, where leaders are expected to outline further security commitments but refuse to move the country closer to joining the alliance.

The $50bn in loans will be secured against the profits from Russian assets frozen in Europe since Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Speaking ahead of the G7 summit in Italy tomorrow, the Elysee Palace in Paris said: “We have an agreement.”
 
The Russian federation has offered a peace deal to Ukraine. It stops further conquest of Ukraine and ends the bloodshed if Ukraine agrees to remain neutral.


What I suspect is actually happening is that this is being offered with the knowledge that it will be rejected by Washington, London, and Brussels. Their aim is to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian who is conscripted against their will. But offering this gives Russia the moral high ground when it comes to diplomatic dealings with Africa, East Asia, Latin America, the Muslim World, aka the global majority.

If Biden and Co are serious about wanting to undermine Putin, they'll take the deal.
 

Putin can keep crying with all the fake peace agreements he wants if he feels Russia is losing again now (after his ‘training exercise on the border’ turned into an extended ‘3 day special military operation’ that has run for years.) His words are worthless and he’d just use more time to build up for Russia’s next attacks like he did before. Ukraine isn’t going to give up its land to the terrorist invader so easily.
 
The Russian federation has offered a peace deal to Ukraine. It stops further conquest of Ukraine and ends the bloodshed if Ukraine agrees to remain neutral.


What I suspect is actually happening is that this is being offered with the knowledge that it will be rejected by Washington, London, and Brussels. Their aim is to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian who is conscripted against their will. But offering this gives Russia the moral high ground when it comes to diplomatic dealings with Africa, East Asia, Latin America, the Muslim World, aka the global majority.

If Biden and Co are serious about wanting to undermine Putin, they'll take the deal.
I don't like that it let's Russia keep the extra land they took. Ukraine loses. :(
 

Putin can keep crying with all the fake peace agreements he wants if he feels Russia is losing again now (after his ‘training exercise on the border’ turned into an extended ‘3 day special military operation’ that has run for years.) His words are worthless and he’d just use more time to build up for Russia’s next attacks like he did before. Ukraine isn’t going to give up its land to the terrorist invader so easily.
Exactly this. I don't trust Putin one bit.
 
I don't like that it let's Russia keep the extra land they took. Ukraine loses. :(
That a peace deal has to be reached, is clear...but one that Ukraine sets and Russia agrees...or at least one that is even.
Something like Ukraine agrees to not Join the NATO but Russia gives the land back they stole.

But thats again part of the propaganda.
Offer a deal that has ukraine lose everything, blame them when ukraine doesnt sign it...boom, the gullible think russia is the good guy.
That the bloodshed only exists because of Russia...is forgotten.

Russia could walk away any second, Ukraine probably would sign a "no nato" deal...as long as they get their country back...fully.
 
So, I have an idea. I don't like the way my neighbors behave, so I'm going to take over their backyard and maybe all of their property, BUT if they just give me their backyard and promise to change their ways, I'm willing to forego taking their house and front yard.

They don't seem to think that's fair.....
 
Something like Ukraine agrees to not Join the NATO but Russia gives the land back they stole.
The Ukrainian leadership rejected that peace deal in early 2022, which is even acknowledged by Western establishment media.

 

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