Discussion: The North American Union

[lars573]

Or worse, a guy with a gun stops you as you pass an alley, pulls you in and demands that you give him your NADs.

jag

My pants would be around my ankles faster than he could say, "I mean't money fool!"

 

[Mr Sparkle]

-Absolutely. I think it is constructive anytime a person debates on what they think is wrong in their country. What merit do those other subjects have over this one? There are other threads that have discussed these issues. If you would rather discuss those issues over this one, find a preexisting one or start a new thread.

I would never dream of interacting with someone so childish and condescending on any subject of importance.

don't be an idiot.
the union would be worth discussing sure, not the paranoid bull being thrown about.
but these posts had nothing of import, and merely transcribed the paranoid ramblings of some idiot that gets paid to write to cater to a very specific sector of the US populace.
saddest thing?
the guy that wrote it doesn't believe it, and since " news" these days, have all the reliability of " a current affair" ( back in the 90's) it's probably not even true.
I recently saw a program called " selling Iraq" or something like that, about the Media's role in the march to war after 9-11, brilliant stuff, if not for OBS would never see the light of day.
filled with actual sources and verification and clear lever-headed reporting.
so excuse me when I don't pay any mind to an article posted by Supermanbeyond about Mexico's implicit collaboration with terrorists ( through incompetence and all) when it merely says " sources say"
excuse me if any article by that website short of

" sun big ball of burning gas, sources say"

will now be met with nothing but derision and contempt by me.
again, I have a working brain and I like to use it, sorry if you can't join me.

oh, and you know what.
if you can't see it? that makes YOU dumb.

 

[jaguarr]

My pants would be around my ankles faster than he could say, "I mean't money fool!"

That sounds like a good way to get your pecker blown off. :multiplemeanings:



jag

 

[lars573]

That sounds like a good way to get your pecker blown off. :multiplemeanings:



jag

Well that certainly left me limp and drained.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I can imagine another secret reason for the 'Amero'..counterfitting.The American dollar is one of the most coutnerfitted notes in the world,mostly because America has not changed it's design.The British have redesigned their pound,and Austrailia makes their's out of plastic.So why doesn't America change their dollar,instead of adopting a Euro copy?

 

[jaguarr]

I can imagine another secret reason for the 'Amero'..counterfitting.The American dollar is one of the most coutnerfitted notes in the world,mostly because America has not changed it's design.The British have redesigned their pound,and Austrailia makes their's out of plastic.So why doesn't America change their dollar,instead of adopting a Euro copy?

The U.S. has continually evolved and tweaked the designs on paper currency, sometimes with some pretty major cosmetic changes. What the hell are you talking about?

jag

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I like how his location is "eastern promises"

 

[SuperMonkey]

I would be completely in favor of doing it. Europe has already done it. South America and Africa are doing it. And it would be very convienient for us to have a single currency with Mexico and Canada.

A currency union and forming a North American Union would not threaten our soverignty. We'd still be an independent nation with our own laws with our own traditions with our own government. What it would really do is make us more integrated in a more connected world, provide convienience for us with a common currency, and it's done wonders for Europe.

Since when has "Europe's done it" become an excuse for anything ******ed we wanna do?

If you care about your country surviving as a soverign nation, then you should be against this. wtf?

Reply to the bold section: Are you aware of what Europe's trying to do? Guess not.

 

[Denny67]

People who say they can’t see the connection between big business and this countries leader’s so blind they really need to invent a new word for it. Corruption is rampant. Paul is a strict constitutionalists and is a threat to all of that.

This from the transcript of the YouTube Republican presidential debate says a lot about where we are going and why many do not want to see a president who will stand in the way:

YouTube question: Good evening, candidates. This is (inaudible) from Arlington, Texas, and this question is for Ron Paul.
I've met a lot of your supporters online, but I've noticed that a good number of them seem to buy into this conspiracy theory regarding the Council of Foreign Relations, and some plan to make a North American union by merging the United States with Canada and Mexico.

These supporters of yours seem to think that you also believe in this theory. So my question to you is: Do you really believe in all this, or are people just putting words in your mouth?

Cooper: Congressman Paul, 90 seconds.


Paul: Well, it all depends on what you mean by "all of this." the CFR exists, the Trilateral Commission exists. And it's a, quote, "conspiracy of ideas." This is an ideological battle. Some people believe in globalism. Others of us believe in national sovereignty.

And there is a move on toward a North American Union, just like early on there was a move on for a European Union, and eventually ended up. So we had NAFTA and moving toward a NAFTA highway.

These are real things. It's not somebody made these up. It's not a conspiracy. They don't talk about it, and they might not admit about it, but there's been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the Texas legislature unanimously to put a halt on it. They're planning on millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem that much worse.
So it's not so much a secretive conspiracy, it's a contest between ideologies, whether we believe in our institutions here, our national sovereignty, our Constitution, or are we going to further move into the direction of international government, more U.N.

You know, this country goes to war under U.N. resolutions. I don't like big government in Washington, so I don't like this trend toward international government. We have a WTO that wants to control our drug industry, our nutritional products. So, I'm against all that.

But it's not so much as a sinister conspiracy. It's just knowledge is out there. If we look for it, you'll realize that our national sovereignty is under threat.

Cooper: Congressman Paul, thank you.

(Applause)

Source

 

[SuperMonkey]

prolly the ONLY thing I've ever agreed with Paul on

 

[hippie_hunter]

Since when has "Europe's done it" become an excuse for anything ******ed we wanna do?

If you care about your country surviving as a soverign nation, then you should be against this. wtf?

Reply to the bold section: Are you aware of what Europe's trying to do? Guess not.

The states of the European Union are in no danger of losing their sovereignty. They are responsible for their own affairs and their own people. The purpose of the European Union is to provide the freedoms of the movement of people, goods, services, and capital. It's designed to provide a currency union for Europe so that they can travel from country to country without having to worry about exchanging for a currency that is worth less or more than their nation's security. It's designed so that people can move freely without being inconvenienced of border controls if they want to visit a nearby neighboring country. It's designed to create a single market for Europe so it can compete better with economic powerhouses the United States, Russia, China, and Japan. It's designed to promote peace within Europe instead of the warfare that plagued it for hundreds of years.

And Europe is not moving into a single state. That is why the people of France and the Netherlands rejected the European Constitution. It's why the United Kingdom is a bit Europhobic. We are seeing a Europe that is still having brand new sovereign states created such as Montenegro and we will see someday an independent Kosovo, Scotland, the Basque countries, and others someday. Just because Europe wants to be integrated and work together doesn't mean that they want to be one single state.

A North American Union would never be as strong as the European Union in order for it to work. There would most likely be no North American Court of Justice, North American Parliament, North American Passport, etc. The states of North America is far too protective of their sovereignty and would be far too fearful certain states (the United States, Canada, and Latin America) taking control of it. Creating a currency union with the North American Dollar (not the cheesy sounding Amero) and loosening border controls to allow the freedom of movements of people, goods, services, and capital. That is an important aspect of capitalism and would pose no threat to our sovereignty.

We'd still be responsible to our own government. We'd still be our own independent sovereign nation without Canada, Mexico, and Central America controlling us. The economy, our currency, our regulations are not what makes us a nation. Our laws, our people, and our territory is what does it. Something that a North American Union would never have control over.

 

[SuperMonkey]

The states of the European Union are in no danger of losing their sovereignty. They are responsible for their own affairs and their own people. The purpose of the European Union is to provide the freedoms of the movement of people, goods, services, and capital. It's designed to provide a currency union for Europe so that they can travel from country to country without having to worry about exchanging for a currency that is worth less or more than their nation's security. It's designed so that people can move freely without being inconvenienced of border controls if they want to visit a nearby neighboring country. It's designed to create a single market for Europe so it can compete better with economic powerhouses the United States, Russia, China, and Japan. It's designed to promote peace within Europe instead of the warfare that plagued it for hundreds of years.

And Europe is not moving into a single state. That is why the people of France and the Netherlands rejected the European Constitution. It's why the United Kingdom is a bit Europhobic. We are seeing a Europe that is still having brand new sovereign states created such as Montenegro and we will see someday an independent Kosovo, Scotland, the Basque countries, and others someday. Just because Europe wants to be integrated and work together doesn't mean that they want to be one single state.

A North American Union would never be as strong as the European Union in order for it to work. There would most likely be no North American Court of Justice, North American Parliament, North American Passport, etc. The states of North America is far too protective of their sovereignty and would be far too fearful certain states (the United States, Canada, and Latin America) taking control of it. Creating a currency union with the North American Dollar (not the cheesy sounding Amero) and loosening border controls to allow the freedom of movements of people, goods, services, and capital. That is an important aspect of capitalism and would pose no threat to our sovereignty.

We'd still be responsible to our own government. We'd still be our own independent sovereign nation without Canada, Mexico, and Central America controlling us. The economy, our currency, our regulations are not what makes us a nation. Our laws, our people, and our territory is what does it. Something that a North American Union would never have control over.

Yeah. You don't know what Europe's trying.

 

[Denny67]

prolly the ONLY thing I've ever agreed with Paul on

Well if you are going to agree with a candidate on any one issue… that is THE ONE.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

when people say "prolly" I have trouble taking them seriously.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah. You don't know what Europe's trying.

Whatever, please enlighten me then

 

[Mr Sparkle]

you don't fool us Hippie, you don't KNOW.....
you don't know what Europe is trying.

 

[hippie_hunter]

you don't fool us Hippie, you don't KNOW.....
you don't know what Europe is trying.

My God! Am I really that ignorant

 

[Mr Sparkle]

prolly

 

[ObakeTora]

Ive been browsing this thread for quite a while, and my only problem is Mexico's corrupt politicians, and the fact this was able to pass without my consent. I'm all for globalization. but not with a government thats controlled by the mafia.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Ive been browsing this thread for quite a while, and my only problem is Mexico's corrupt politicians, and the fact this was able to pass without my consent. I'm all for globalization. but not with a government thats controlled by the mafia.

do you know that "corrupt" doesn't mean "mafia owned" right?

 

[Addendum]

The states of the European Union are in no danger of losing their sovereignty. They are responsible for their own affairs and their own people. The purpose of the European Union is to provide the freedoms of the movement of people, goods, services, and capital. It's designed to provide a currency union for Europe so that they can travel from country to country without having to worry about exchanging for a currency that is worth less or more than their nation's security. It's designed so that people can move freely without being inconvenienced of border controls if they want to visit a nearby neighboring country. It's designed to create a single market for Europe so it can compete better with economic powerhouses the United States, Russia, China, and Japan. It's designed to promote peace within Europe instead of the warfare that plagued it for hundreds of years.

And Europe is not moving into a single state. That is why the people of France and the Netherlands rejected the European Constitution. It's why the United Kingdom is a bit Europhobic. We are seeing a Europe that is still having brand new sovereign states created such as Montenegro and we will see someday an independent Kosovo, Scotland, the Basque countries, and others someday. Just because Europe wants to be integrated and work together doesn't mean that they want to be one single state.

A North American Union would never be as strong as the European Union in order for it to work. There would most likely be no North American Court of Justice, North American Parliament, North American Passport, etc. The states of North America is far too protective of their sovereignty and would be far too fearful certain states (the United States, Canada, and Latin America) taking control of it. Creating a currency union with the North American Dollar (not the cheesy sounding Amero) and loosening border controls to allow the freedom of movements of people, goods, services, and capital. That is an important aspect of capitalism and would pose no threat to our sovereignty.

We'd still be responsible to our own government. We'd still be our own independent sovereign nation without Canada, Mexico, and Central America controlling us. The economy, our currency, our regulations are not what makes us a nation. Our laws, our people, and our territory is what does it. Something that a North American Union would never have control over.

I don't always agree with hippie hunter on some things, but I do here.

 

[SuBe]

don't be an idiot.
but these posts had nothing of import, and merely transcribed the paranoid ramblings of some idiot that gets paid to write to cater to a very specific sector of the US populace.
so excuse me when I don't pay any mind to an article posted by Supermanbeyond about Mexico's implicit collaboration with terrorists ( through incompetence and all) when it merely says " sources say"
excuse me if any article by that website short of
that makes YOU dumb.

Have you ever read anything about the Fort Dix Terror Attacks? Where did they come from? Mexico, a father of the two sons confirmed it. There is a lot more going on, and you think that I'm the "dumb" one. I just pay attention what happens on the news. Do a little research before you get all belegerent.

 

[chamber-music]

Hippe_Hunter Europe is not moving into a single state. That is why the people of France and the Netherlands rejected the European Constitution. It's why the United Kingdom is a bit Europhobic. We are seeing a Europe that is still having brand new sovereign states created such as Montenegro and we will see someday an independent Kosovo, Scotland, the Basque countries, and others someday. Just because Europe wants to be integrated and work together doesn't mean that they want to be one single state.

I hope we don't see an independent Scotland. It would break up the United Kingdom. After they leave the Welsh will want independence and then Cornwall.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I hope we don't see an independent Scotland. It would break up the United Kingdom. After they leave the Welsh will want independence and then Cornwall.

The way Wales is right now, I doubt that they will be independent anytime soon.

As for Scotland, I feel that it all comes down to how the people are going to like the Scottish National Party which are now the majority party in the Scottish Parliament. If they f**k up, well, independence isn't going to happen for a while, if ever. If they do well and the people support their policies, they'll most likely vote in more SNP members to Parliament and support for their pro-independence ideas might rise.

 

[justinlancaster]

The states of the European Union are in no danger of losing their sovereignty. They are responsible for their own affairs and their own people. The purpose of the European Union is to provide the freedoms of the movement of people, goods, services, and capital. It's designed to provide a currency union for Europe so that they can travel from country to country without having to worry about exchanging for a currency that is worth less or more than their nation's security. It's designed so that people can move freely without being inconvenienced of border controls if they want to visit a nearby neighboring country. It's designed to create a single market for Europe so it can compete better with economic powerhouses the United States, Russia, China, and Japan. It's designed to promote peace within Europe instead of the warfare that plagued it for hundreds of years.

And Europe is not moving into a single state. That is why the people of France and the Netherlands rejected the European Constitution. It's why the United Kingdom is a bit Europhobic. We are seeing a Europe that is still having brand new sovereign states created such as Montenegro and we will see someday an independent Kosovo, Scotland, the Basque countries, and others someday. Just because Europe wants to be integrated and work together doesn't mean that they want to be one single state.

A North American Union would never be as strong as the European Union in order for it to work. There would most likely be no North American Court of Justice, North American Parliament, North American Passport, etc. The states of North America is far too protective of their sovereignty and would be far too fearful certain states (the United States, Canada, and Latin America) taking control of it. Creating a currency union with the North American Dollar (not the cheesy sounding Amero) and loosening border controls to allow the freedom of movements of people, goods, services, and capital. That is an important aspect of capitalism and would pose no threat to our sovereignty.

We'd still be responsible to our own government. We'd still be our own independent sovereign nation without Canada, Mexico, and Central America controlling us. The economy, our currency, our regulations are not what makes us a nation. Our laws, our people, and our territory is what does it. Something that a North American Union would never have control over.

States?