Discussion: The Second Amendment III

[Hotwire]

Every time people or the news brings up Alex Jones, my mind almost automatically pops up this video.

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That's beautiful!

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

It really depends on who you know and where you are. In my younger days, it was very easy to get harder stuff without the "solid" connections. Just one or two phone calls and later that day or the next, you'd have what you wanted. I saw it first hand all the time (I never did the hard stuff, but roomed with people in college that did). Of course, that was in the city, though one might be surprised at the ease one can get all manner of drugs in rural areas - I've got many friends in the police force in my town and heroine and meth have become a huge problem here.

Seeing it first hand and doing it are two completely different things.

I like how you admit "I've never done hard stuff". Yeah, then I'd stop talking about how to get it.

The main problem with coke and or heroine is most people will sell you basically baby powder for one hundred dollars. So coke ends up costing a lot of money because of all the bad stuff that's out there. Of the times I've done coke, most of its been weak. I ended up with a connection who supplied most of the lawyers in town and a few politicians, and that stuff was worth every penny. But that's a funny aside about hard drugs: so much of it is fake or really watered down. Unless you're a seasoned pro its hard to know. Lots of people are taken advantage of because they'll settle for any high and don't have standards. They'll spend the next day with diarrhea because of it.

 

[roach]

Apparently there was another school shooting today in California

 

[terry78]

You do know your coke.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

You do know your coke.

I really only did it for a few months. Then one day I just went "okay, tried that, I'm done".

I remember being downtown, and just doing a line in my house. Getting up and going straight into my bedroom. I just watched Family Guy or something and just didn't want to do anymore.

Coke is a horrible drug. It does horrible things to the brain, and prolonged use definitely turns people into childish, moody, arrogant morons.

 

[Spider - Man]

It was really the only part of the post I took issue with.

It is asinine. It's always used as a sarcastic excuse to draw a ridiculous parallel in an attempt to make the other person's stance look well, ridiculous. This type of statement is always done out of sarcasm. There are better ways to draw the parallel and make the point. It's not so much what's being said but rather, how it's being said.

Yes, it was done sarcastically because to try and use a girl getting hit in the head with a bullet falling out of the sky as a basis for not firing a warning shot to discourage an intruder is more ridiculous than using a freshly cut tree falling on someone as grounds for doing away with the lumberjack trade. Both are stupid insinuations. I still don't see what your issue is.

 

[Hotwire]

Yes, it was done sarcastically because to try and use a girl getting hit in the head with a bullet falling out of the sky as a basis for not firing a warning shot to discourage an intruder is more ridiculous than using a freshly cut tree falling on someone as grounds for doing away with the lumberjack trade. Both are stupid insinuations. I still don't see what your issue is.

Those kinds of statements are just nails on a chalkboard to me.

 

[Spider - Man]

Those kinds of statements are just nails on a chalkboard to me.

Let me put it another way. You say that I said what I did to make his statement look ridiculous. Do you think I even needed to say anything to make some girl getting hit in the head with a falling bullet at who-knows-what odds the basis for saying someone should never fire a warning shot to let a burglar know you have a gun sound ridiculous?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Apparently there was another school shooting today in California

Appears the shooter used a shotgun, not the much feared "assault rifle."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/student-shot-high-school-taft-calif-18181965

 

[Spider-Who?]

Seeing it first hand and doing it are two completely different things.

I like how you admit "I've never done hard stuff". Yeah, then I'd stop talking about how to get it.

We're talking about the ease of getting drugs. Just because I've not injected hard narcotics into my system does not negate my knowledge of ones ease of getting it, since, like I said, I was present from start to finish with those who were.

Coke is a horrible drug. It does horrible things to the brain, and prolonged use definitely turns people into childish, moody, arrogant morons.

Are you sure you only did it for a few months?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

We're talking about the ease of getting drugs. Just because I've not injected hard narcotics into my system does not negate my knowledge of ones ease of getting it, since, like I said, I was present from start to finish with those who were.

Again, it just sounds like you are talking out your a**, frankly.

Unless you were the one who bought them, you're just relaying second hand, anecdotal information which I guarantee you know next to nothing about.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Appears the shooter used a shotgun, not the much feared "assault rifle."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/student-shot-high-school-taft-calif-18181965

That's terrible. Glad they got him and that no more were hurt.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Again, it just sounds like you are talking out your a**, frankly.

Unless you were the one who bought them, you're just relaying second hand, anecdotal information which I guarantee you know next to nothing about.

Hahaha. No, I don't talk out of my ass, but thanks for thinking of my bum. For four years I lived with several people who did drugs (it was a college in the middle of a city, hard not to know people like that), as well as having friends before and after college who do. For better or worse, I'v been with plenty of them for all manner of instances, for the good and the bad including the dealings, cop scares, OD scares. Not to mention the friends I have who are cops and/or work in the law enforcement field. I might not be able to tell you what it's like to shoot heroine, but I have enough experience with the topic to not need to talk out of my ass, as you so eloquently put it. So please, stop with your arrogance.

It's seems you have a VERY big issue with anyone who states anything that goes against your own comments, however trivial they may be, and that you go out of your way to start fights. It's old. Grow up.

 

[Victarion]

I'd like to point at that Ms. Feinstein bought a rather unweidly gun of her own prior to her comments. I'm fine with strict background checks and psych evals, but if there were a "gun roundup" as people seem to fear, it would be interesting to see the guards/security for the upper class have their guns taken as well.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I'm highly doubtful that there ever will be a "gun round up" (though people like Fienstein admit to wanting that). Unlike most countries, America and it's citizens not only grew up along side guns, we helped their evolution and in turn guns helped evolve our society for better or worse. Guns are way too engrained in us for the country to allow a removal of all guns, like Japan or China.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Hahaha. No, I don't talk out of my ass, but thanks for thinking of my bum. For four years I lived with several people who did drugs (it was a college in the middle of a city, hard not to know people like that), as well as having friends before and after college who do. For better or worse, I'v been with plenty of them for all manner of instances, for the good and the bad including the dealings, cop scares, OD scares. Not to mention the friends I have who are cops and/or work in the law enforcement field. I know plenty about this topic. So please, stop with your arrogance.

"Here's a ton of stuff I witness but have no idea about, let me put up more things without actual references or experiences."

That's great, until you actually do it yourself, you still get second hand information. You know only what's been told to you, and if you are on the outside, I promise, it's different. I used to not do drugs, but was around them a lot in college...so what? I didn't know the stuff I knew about them until actually trying them and buying them myself.

I can already tell from your posts how much misinformation has been fed to you. You reek of the classic "I've never done it, but I knew about it!" kind of response.

It's seems you have a VERY big issue with anyone who states anything that goes against your own comments, however trivial they may be, and that you go out of your way to start fights. It's old. Grow up.

Actually that would be you. You argue in fantasies you make up in your head, and draw a lot of false equivalencies. That's pretty standard from people with minimal experience.

It'd be like talking about sex and then saying "I'm a virgin, but I lived with people who had sex".

Buying one drug is different from buying another. Pot, cocaine, heroine, are all entirely different ballgames.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

"Here's a ton of stuff I witness but have no idea about, let me put up more things without actual references or experiences."

That's great, until you actually do it yourself, you still get second hand information. You know only what's been told to you, and if you are on the outside, I promise, it's different. I used to not do drugs, but was around them a lot in college...so what? I didn't know the stuff I knew about them until actually trying them and buying them myself.

I can already tell from your posts how much misinformation has been fed to you. You reek of the classic "I've never done it, but I knew about it!" kind of response.
Actually that would be you. You argue in fantasies you make up in your head, and draw a lot of false equivalencies. That's pretty standard from people with minimal experience.

It'd be like talking about sex and then saying "I'm a virgin, but I lived with people who had sex".

Buying one drug is different from buying another. Pot, cocaine, heroine, are all entirely different ballgames.

Who gives a rat's behind about your drug using history. Has almost no bearing on the topic at-hand.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Who gives a rat's behind about your drug using history. Has almost no bearing on the topic at-hand.

It actually doesn't. We've gotten sidetracked.

It spurned out of my point that when people say "drugs are easy to get" it's kind of a thoughtless remark. Which came out of the "it would be easy to get guns on a black market" discussion, and merely making a point of difference between drugs and guns.

They're easier to get than certain other illegal things yes, but I wouldn't throw that "easy" terminology around loosely.

It's also a pet peeve of mine when people pontificate about something and then admit in the same post "I've never done it but...". But, nothing, that's the end of the discussion, stop talking about it.

 

[Kable24]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/First-ever-...727?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f20dca8ef

first ever assault weapon on ebay.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

15-year old protects himself and 12-year old sister with AR-15 from 2 burglars.

http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html

 

[Spider - Man]

"Here's a ton of stuff I witness but have no idea about, let me put up more things without actual references or experiences."

That's great, until you actually do it yourself, you still get second hand information. You know only what's been told to you, and if you are on the outside, I promise, it's different. I used to not do drugs, but was around them a lot in college...so what? I didn't know the stuff I knew about them until actually trying them and buying them myself.

I can already tell from your posts how much misinformation has been fed to you. You reek of the classic "I've never done it, but I knew about it!" kind of response.
Actually that would be you. You argue in fantasies you make up in your head, and draw a lot of false equivalencies. That's pretty standard from people with minimal experience.

It'd be like talking about sex and then saying "I'm a virgin, but I lived with people who had sex".

Buying one drug is different from buying another. Pot, cocaine, heroine, are all entirely different ballgames.

Prime, you just said buying one drug is different from another and you said you did coke for a few months. So why you trying to act like you know all about smack and other drugs while insisting SW don't know what he;s talkin about.

I lived with a guy who did coke for a while before I ever started. I used for about 4 years from start o finish. There ain't no big revelation about the secret in and out of obtaining it once you actually try it personally. I knew how to obtain it long before I ever tried it so dont act like you possess some secret inside info that SW just canlt be privvy to just because he's been smaert enough to stay clean.

Yes, it get stepped on. Big secret there. My problem wasn't baby powder, it was speed. Damn **** kept me laying awake loooong after the fun was over. But like you, when I had had enough, I quit cold turkey and never looked back.

 

[Spider - Man]

It actually doesn't. We've gotten sidetracked.

It spurned out of my point that when people say "drugs are easy to get" it's kind of a thoughtless remark. Which came out of the "it would be easy to get guns on a black market" discussion, and merely making a point of difference between drugs and guns.

They're easier to get than certain other illegal things yes, but I wouldn't throw that "easy" terminology around loosely.

It's also a pet peeve of mine when people pontificate about something and then admit in the same post "I've never done it but...". But, nothing, that's the end of the discussion, stop talking about it.

Should people who've never owned guns be talking about them?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Should people who've never owned guns be talking about them?

In what context? If we're having a discussion about what it's like to fire a gun, and someone who never fired a gun describes what it's like for his friend to shoot, I'd be a little peeved by that person's point.

 

[Matt Mortem]

If the government passed a bill getting rid of guns, they'd never get them all. Besides, you'd need the national guard to go collect them from citizens because no standard government employee is going to be cool with going door to door asking for peoples guns. There would be bloodshed. As much as I think there should be some sort of stricter gun control, anytime someone mentions outlawing them I have to shake my head. Besides, they'd never be able to repeal the second amendment.

 

[roach]

The government isn't going to take anyone's guns away or repeal the 2nd amendment. This is the fear of people who think we are one Executive Order away from being Nazi Germany or the Galactic Empire.
The government right now is doing the right thing. They are sitting down with the NRA, Hollywood, Wal-mart (they are the biggest seller of guns in the US) and various other people to get answers to what they think will prevent these shootings.


Biden said that all groups were in favor of an across the board stricter background check to buy weapons. I think this is what we'll see happen.