Discussion: The Second Amendment III

[mrvlknight21]

Yeah, you can't hunt with that much firepower here, and frankly, as someone who grew up hunting, you dont need THAT much firepower to hunt. We're not killing velociraptors. At a certain it becomes fishing with dynamite.

But you're a trained law enforcement official and you're using it in what can possibly be an unusually hostile situation entering someone else's property. Not John Q. Public who thinks he needs that to defend his house from the average thief.

Not sure I'd call any of those really practical. You listed over-powered hunting, police activity, shooting competitions, familiarity to what was used in military combat situations, and "it's fun." Those all seem pretty trivial at best or at least more useful to those in law enforcement/military than your average civilian gun owner.

How do you figure that a .223 round is over powered for hunting?

It is a very small round, and in fact, most other typical hunting rounds (.308, 30-06, etc) are a good bit larger and make much bigger holes in animals.

The .223 round is actually considered a "varmit" round. In other words, good for smaller game as well. The reason is because it is small.

You are at least the 2nd person that has described the .223 as overpowered or something that wouldnt leave anything of the prey when hunting. Have you ever seen a .223 round and compared it to a 7.62, .308, etc? Please Google the image comparisons and then you might change your mind about the round size.

Now, if you are saying that a 30 round magazine is unnecessary when hunting, then I would agree, but that has nothing to do with the ammunition, or even the firearm itself, really. There are 5 and 10 round magazines for Ar15s as well, those would be more likely used when hunting.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Here's the bullet comparisons that mrvlknight21 was talking about:

 

[SuBe]

Most people with opinions on firearms don't know anything about them, have never fired one and believe that Government is incorruptible.

 

[Spider-Who?]

I only just heard about this...

Body of Co-Creator of Youtube Series "FPSRussia" Found Shot in Home

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01...poken-assault-weapon-advocate-found-murdered/

 

[wiegeabo]

never heard of him

 

[mrvlknight21]

I only just heard about this...

Body of Co-Creator of Youtube Series "FPSRussia" Found Shot in Home

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/01...poken-assault-weapon-advocate-found-murdered/

Yeah, I have been reading about that. Crazy stuff.

never heard of him

FPS Russian is a you tube sensation who makes a bunch of gun videos. He was actually in the recent "live action" Call of Duty Black Ops 2 commercial too (the one with Robert Downey Jr). FPS Russia is at :38 in who says "surprise horse lady."


Just go to youtube, FPS Russia has tons of good videos. The one where he gets pepper sprayed and then tries to shoot his gun his hilarious.

 

[Spider-Who?]

edit - ah mrvlknight beat me to it.

 

[Grievous]

Well how would they come to take them? Kick down your door and steal your property? Yeah, you would get shot. Castle doctrine and all that.

Because that is what it comes down to if you start confiscating arms. Ask the redcoats. Retroactive gun legislature generally doesn't happen for that very reason.

Plus the redcoats mostly dealt with individual cities under martial law. You can't break down a 100 million+ doors.

Lets say the guard came for our guns for whatever reason. Would you rather open fire on your own military then submit to whatever the reason is?

 

[wiegeabo]

Lets say the guard came for our guns for whatever reason. Would you rather open fire on your own military then submit to whatever the reason is?

I think the point would be to force a standoff.

At which point the press gets involved, and people hopefully start taking notice. And start putting pressure on politicians.

 

[Destructus86]

So Obama has backed the ban on assault weapons and extended mags from what I just read

 

[Thundercrack85]

Apparently in New York they're going to ban every gun with more than 7 bullets.

Great news if you're in the revolver business.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Lets say the guard came for our guns for whatever reason. Would you rather open fire on your own military then submit to whatever the reason is?

So, it's like Soviet Russia? Well, I'm not packing anything particularly assault-ful, so if there's a bunch of heavily armed soldiers out there threatening to blow me away, I'd probably hand it over. Live to fight another day and all that.

 

[Kelly]

It is VERY INTERESTING how many of Fox News contributors live in the 2 counties where gun owners personal information and google map link was published by Journal News. This sucker is getting pretty crazy...

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Apparently in New York they're going to ban every gun with more than 7 bullets.

Great news if you're in the revolver business.

Or in the .45 cal 1911 pistol business as well.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Or in the .45 cal 1911 pistol business as well.

Not that you can own either in New York City.

 

[enterthemadness]

Congrats to the Kansas LP on their victory.


http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/victo...local-open-carry-laws-in-kansas-sues-holdouts


KANSAS LIBERTARIAN PARTY SUCCEEDS IN CHANGING LOCAL OPEN CARRY LAWS IN KANSAS, SUES HOLDOUT CITIES.

 

[dnno1]

That's historically inaccurate. The Colonists won the War for Independence. I just wanted to know why it would be considered morally right for Government to ban firearms.

Certainly they can (at least certain types) if it poses a public health hazard.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Certainly they can (at least certain types) if it poses a public health hazard.

It's done miracles for Chicago.

 

[enterthemadness]

It's done miracles for Chicago.

People are just upset the Bulls haven't won a Title since the 90's.

I'm making a joke people, calm doooooown.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have to say, there is something morally hypocritical, about politicians with armed guards who live in gated communities telling their constituents they can only have seven bullets to defend their homes and families (most handguns hold more than seven these days).

Or even worse when they don't give their constituents any right to defend themselves.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Just tack it onto the list of ways politicians are hypocritical ass hats.

 

[Marvolo]

Well, regardless of laws passed I have had it confirmed that my local law enforcement will do whatever they can to not enforce them. And knowing my area the locals are happy about it. These new laws arent going to do a thing for guns already owned. Heck my neighbor went out and bought an AR-15 because of the threat of new laws and shot rounds for five hours yesterday. If the goal was to curb these sells then announcing they were going to enact new gunlaws was incredibly stupid. It just increased sells on guns that will now be grandfathered in. It should have been a silent affair that was unannounced until it was enacted. As it stands any new laws will be practically pointless. In many areas, high capacity mags already owned will be traded and sold under the table and already owned and unregistered AR-15s will also be sold and traded under the table and local law enforcement wont do anything to stop it. The only law that will do much is universal registration on all new guns bought.

 

[enterthemadness]

19? Wow.

Biden ''Obama has 19 exec actions'' on gun control.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/biden-guns-executive-actions-86187.html

 

[Webfoot Hero]

19? Wow.

Biden ''Obama has 19 exec actions'' on gun control.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/biden-guns-executive-actions-86187.html

That seems a bit excessive but considering it's Obama, I'm surprised he's not trying to push more through.

 

[Phallic]

That seems a bit excessive but considering it's Obama, I'm surprised he's not trying to push more through.

The fact that he isn't is a good sign. It seems unlikely at this point that another AWB will be passed.

Still contacting my congressmen though - best not become complacent.