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Some Link Economy With Spate Of Killings
In One Month, 57 Die In Eight Mass Murders


[SIZE=-1]By Philip Rucker[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Washington Post Staff Writer[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Wednesday, April 8, 2009; A03 [/SIZE]



In Binghamton, N.Y., a Vietnamese immigrant upset about losing his job burst into an immigration center and killed 13 people before killing himself. In Pittsburgh, police said a gun enthusiast recently discharged from the Marine Corps opened fire and killed three police officers. And in Graham, Wash., investigators said a man whose wife was leaving him shot and killed five of his children in their mobile home before taking his own life.
The carnage that occurred during less than 48 hours last week capped a recent string of unusually brazen mass killings, which crime experts say have touched more people and occurred in more public settings than in any time in recent memory. Comparative statistics are difficult to come by, but during the past month alone, at least eight mass homicides in this country have claimed the lives of 57 people. Just yesterday, four people were discovered shot to death in a modest wood-frame home in a remote Alabama town.

The factor underlying the violence, some experts think, is the dismal state of the nation's economy. Criminologists theorize that the epidemic of layoffs, the meltdown of storied American corporations and the uncertainty of recovery have stoked fear, anxiety and desperation across society and unnerved its most vulnerable and dangerous.

"I've never seen such a large number [of killings] over such a short period of time involving so many victims," said Jack Levin, a noted criminologist at Northeastern University who has authored or co-authored eight books on mass murder.

The simple fact, criminologist James Alan Fox said, is that more Americans are struggling.

"The American dream to them is a nightmare, and the land of opportunity is but a cruel joke," said Fox, also of Northeastern, who has been dubbed the "dean of death" for his analysis of mass murders. "The economic pie is shrinking to the point where it looks more like a Pop Tart and some feel all they're getting is the crumbs. There's a combination of feeling despair and hopelessness at the same time as a certain degree of anger and blame."

Other crime experts caution, however, against drawing such conclusions.
"Because homicides are fairly rare, it is hard to see patterns even when ones exist," said Shawn Bushway, a criminologist at the University of Albany. "It's like reading tea leaves. I don't make much of it. I don't think you can say anything definitively one way or another."

Predictably, the carnage has focused attention on the nation's gun laws. Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said it is too easy for dangerous people to acquire guns.

"The common denominator in all these is that they're all using a gun," Helmke said of the recent killings. "You don't see police officers in Pittsburgh being killed by people throwing knives at them. . . . We've always had violence, but in the old days you couldn't take out so many people so quickly. Now we make it very easy to do that."

The Rev. Jesse L. Jackson called the recent spate of killings "domestic terrorism" and said he hoped the slaughter would be a wake-up call for policymakers.

"You can't grow businesses in war zones," said Jackson, who recently visited cities beset by gun violence. "You can't go to school in war zones. You can't play in the park in war zones."

Experts agree that most mass murderers share one trait: a traumatic event such as a layoff, divorce or separation that sets off an internal rage and a desire for revenge.

"It could be the loss of a job, the loss of a lot of money in the stock market, the loss of a relationship as in a nasty separation or divorce, the loss of a child who is in a child custody battle," Levin said. "There are just simply more catastrophic losses than there were when the economy was in good shape."

Consider the case of Bruce Jeffrey Pardo, a 45-year-old electrical engineer whose life swiftly turned sour last fall. His wife divorced him and he lost his job and his beloved dog, Saki. On Christmas Eve, Pardo dressed as Santa Claus for a holiday party hosted by his ex-wife's parents at their home at the end of a quiet cul-de-sac in a Los Angeles suburb.

Pardo rang the bell, swung open the door and opened fire on the party guests with a semiautomatic handgun before dousing the home with gasoline and setting it ablaze, authorities said. He killed nine people, including his ex-wife, before taking his own life.

"He was looking for revenge, which is almost always the motive in these mass killings," Levin said. "It wasn't enough to get her, but he wanted to get everything associated with her, everything she loved, everything he identified with her."

Since then, mass shootings have plagued communities in all corners of the country. Late last month, a gunman barged into a nursing home in Carthage, N.C., looking for his estranged wife. Police say he killed seven elderly residents and a nurse who cared for them. His wife, a nurse's assistant, escaped by hiding in a bathroom.

Five days later in Binghamton, a man wearing body armor burst into a New York state immigration center where he had studied English and opened fire on immigrants taking an exam to become U.S. citizens, authorities said.

"The nursing home in North Carolina and the community center in Binghamton were not randomly chosen locations," Fox said. "It's not just some gunman walking down the street. They're very deliberate choices and reflect the anger and blame that the killer has."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/07/AR2009040703979_pf.html
 
The way it's looking...I might need to get one.

To protect myself from the crazies popping up right now. Tons of nutjobs with guns out there.
 
The way it's looking...I might need to get one.

To protect myself from the crazies popping up right now. Tons of nutjobs with guns out there.

Yeah, but I think the regular gun owners outweigh the crazies.
 
Maybe.

But all you need is one crazy to take out several people.

Plus, too much talk of civil war is starting to erk me.
 
Maybe.

But all you need is one crazy to take out several people.

Plus, too much talk of civil war is starting to erk me.
Its not Civil War, it's Viral Marketing for the new Terminator Movie. :o
 
I don't get it.


What don't you ****ing get?


I don't get why we need another Terminator movie?



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Why can't you stick to the subject? We're not talking about cars.


We're talking about guns.



You're comparisons to cars are irrelevant.



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Let's stick to the topic guys. How 'bout those gun rights?
 
Why can't you stick to the subject? We're not talking about cars.


We're talking about guns.



You're comparisons to cars are irrelevant.



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Not entirely. The idea of "well since crazy people have used guns to kill people, guns are bad" has been mentioned in this thread. It's also a piece of flawed logic. Bad people don't need guns to kill people.
 
Bad people have used Nukes to kill people too. You can't just pick those up.


Hell, if you even think about getting one, our country will invade you.



Now. Are we going to play the analogy game or are we going to discuss the merits of having or not having a gun?



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Bad people have used Nukes to kill people too. You can't just pick those up.


Hell, if you even think about getting one, our country will invade you.



Now. Are we going to play the analogy game or are we going to discuss the merits of having or not having a gun?



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Except that the comparison of Nuke to Gun isn't nearly as credible as car to gun. If you would like for me to explain why, I would be more than glad to - but I don't think I need to waste time explaining the obvious.

I have debated to death the merits of owning a gun, as well as (in my opinion, persuasively) stated that gun control isn't logical in reality.

After all, our last exchange ended up with you taking pride in your admitted delusion that a ban on guns does not actually remove guns from the streets.
 
I'm pretty sure that people thought going to the Moon was delusional but that didn't stop us.


What about RPG's? Grenades? Is there a "cutoff" point?


And let's not make this about me OR nukes OR cars.



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I'm pretty sure that people thought going to the Moon was delusional but that didn't stop us.


What about RPG's? Grenades? Is there a "cutoff" point?


And let's not make this about me OR nukes OR cars.



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You are talking about technology. I am talking about human nature and economics. These are actually more invalid comparisons than the nuke. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Demonstrate any point in American history where a ban on something has removed it.
 
If a government can make a machine that, once activated, can eliminate all guns in the world, indiscriminately, instantly - I would probably have no problem turning that switch.
 
Slavery still exists? As a national contant? Well, damn I better head down to the corner and pick myself up one?


Who knew?




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Slavery still exists? As a national contant? Well, damn I better head down to the corner and pick myself up one?


Who knew?




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:lmao: You are being intentionally thick.

Slavery today is different than Slavery in the 1800's - due to evolutions in agriculture technology, as well as the extinction of the plantation, slavery is no longer about manuel labor. Slavery in the 21st Century is about Sex. Sex Slavery is very much a real issue.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28161210/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27098993/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/10/MNGN9LFHRO1.DTL
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0302200...sts/sex_slavery__america_in_denial_157637.htm
 
Its not Civil War, it's Viral Marketing for the new Terminator Movie. :o

WB...get on THIS. Now.

It'd be quite funny, if we were all packing heat, and met on "Judgment Day" to fight in the resistence...

...only to discover on that day, is the release of Terminator Salvation.

It'd be genuis.

Too genuis for WB.

But, I digress.

I think there's a brewing sense of that right there.

There's some inciting talk happening out there right now, making it seem like "Judgment Day" is near, and that we need to prepare ourselves to fight some kind of resistence against the government.

This is coming from people who would call any of us "unAmerican" and "Anti-American" just for saying the governemtn MIGHT be crossing the line when they're guy was in power.

If liberals had pulled this stuff, we probably would have been hung infront of the Wasington Monument to prove a point.

There probably would have been arrests made, for all the revolution talk.

And telling them to pack heat, while you'r convincing people that the **** is hitting the fan and that we need to "rise up"...not a good mix.

There's going to be another Terminator movie? oh joy:dry:

Looks...quite good...actually.

I know. Shocking.
 
Slavery today is different than Slavery in the 1800's - due to evolutions in agriculture technology, as well as the extinction of the plantation, slavery is no longer about manuel labor. Slavery in the 21st Century is about Sex. Sex Slavery is very much a real issue.

Sadly, yes.

And very much thriving I hear. It's heartbreaking to see some of the stories on it. It goes on in other countries as well, but also here in the USA.

My understanding is that it onvolves importing illegal immigrants for the sex slavery.
 
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