Discussion: The Second Amendment

[Kelly]

That's cool, I didn't know much people considered Jefferson a Democrat. The meaning of liberal then is completely different for what is used for now. I think that is what confuses people.

Yes Republicans and Democrats were pretty much opposite of what you see today.

 

[Marx]

POLICY SHIFT EXPANDS GUN RIGHTS IN PARKS
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/06/new-policy-oks-concealed-guns-in-national-parks/

The Bush administration Friday announced a new policy allowing people to carry concealed firearms in nearly every national park and wildlife refuge.

The move changes a nearly 25-year-old policy that only permitted firearms to be carried in areas of parks that are specifically designated for hunting and target practice.

According to the Department of Interior, the new rules apply to national parks and refuges located in states that allow people to carry concealed weapons, and a person carrying a concealed weapon must have proper authorization from the state where the park or refuge is located.

Forty-eight states allow people to carry concealed firearms; only Illinois and Wisconsin do not.

 

[Kelly]

POLICY SHIFT EXPANDS GUN RIGHTS IN PARKS
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/06/new-policy-oks-concealed-guns-in-national-parks/

Well, for me this is good. I travel to Tennessee alot, and spend an enormous amount of time in the national parks in that region......so it will be nice to not have to hide my gun in the hotel when I go hiking.

 

[Handsome Rob]

Well, for me this is good. I travel to Tennessee alot, and spend an enormous amount of time in the national parks in that region......so it will be nice to not have to hide my gun in the hotel when I go hiking.

People hiking in the Smokies now have a little more protection against black bears.

 

[The Senator]

This is such a stupid decision. Violent crimes against park rangers have been escalating in recent years, so what does the Bush administration do? They make it easier for (prospective) criminals to carry weapons in our national parks and make the jobs of every single park ranger all the more difficult. It is bad enough having to deal with violent offenders who physically want to harm park rangers; it's even worse when those same rangers have to worry about being shot by some ass legally hiding a weapon.

Moreover, 77% of employees for the Fish and Wildlife Service disagree with this decision on the basis of 1) the crime scenario I just outlined, and 2) the fact that it makes it easier for people to hunt endangered or threatened species in parks across the country. Our national parks are not automatic hunting grounds, but that is essentially what the Bush administration just made them.

Oh, and one more reason why Bush is no Ronald Reagan: Reagan supported the concealed weapons ban which the Bush administration reversed. Reagan may not know a damn thing about economics, but he was at least intelligent enough to realize the potential for harm which exists by allowing people to carry concealed weapons in our national parks.

 

[Kelly]

People hiking in the Smokies now have a little more protection against black bears.

lol, well to be honest, it would stay in the glove box. t:

 

[BlackLantern]

I support the right to bear arms....but I don't think a person needs a grenade launcher and an AK-47 to go hunting

 

[Marx]

I support the right to bear arms....but I don't think a person needs a grenade launcher and an AK-47 to go hunting

If you're 'hunting from helicopter'...you would!

Spoiler

I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself!

 

[jaguarr]

I support the right to bear arms....

What about the right to arm bears?

jag

 

[jaguarr]

If you're 'hunting from helicopter'...you would!

Spoiler

I'm sorry, I just couldn't help myself!

I think we need to put a time window on Palin jokes, where there comes a time that they are no longer considered poignant or acceptable. Sayyyyy.....the next ten years and then after that it has to stop?

jag

 

[Addendum]

I support the right to bear arms....

 

[Paradyme]

I support the right to bear arms....but I don't think a person needs a grenade launcher and an AK-47 to go hunting

I know you said you weren't against guns but I'd like to make a generalized statement.

People against guns/gun rights don't understand that all you're effectively doing is removing the right for people to protect themselves. They also believe that this will immediately stop all crime. No, in fact, I would be willing to bet that there would be a dramatic rise in murders, robberies, etc.

 

[Addendum]

A person saying they don't see a reason why a person needs a AK-47, or a grenade launcher, or an RPG doesn't mean that that person can not defend themselves. There's a multitude of handguns, shotguns, and rifles that a law-abiding citizen can purchase for home protection.

I own a 12 gauge with double ought buckshot. Fortunately I've never had to fire it at any one breaking in. I've had a couple close calls, but the distinctive sound made by a pump shotgun when it loads a cartridge in a chamber scared them off.

 

[The Senator]

I know you said you weren't against guns but I'd like to make a generalized statement.

People against guns/gun rights don't understand that all you're effectively doing is removing the right for people to protect themselves. They also believe that this will immediately stop all crime. No, in fact, I would be willing to bet that there would be a dramatic rise in murders, robberies, etc.

But why do people need assault rifles to defend themselves when there are more reasonable weapons out there which would accomplish the same goal?

 

[SuBe]

God love the shot gun. I have a Mossberg 500, no need for anything else!

 

[BlackLantern]

who is going to stop the people buying guns illegally? all overlegislation does is hinder the law abiding folks....I own a small handgun I keep in my apartment, but that's it....I'm not that guy with 4 assault rifles and a shotgun

 

[jaguarr]

If you break into my house, I will napalm you and shoot you with a L.A.W. Rocket while tazing you and dousing you with Agent Orange just before you step on a land mine.

jag

 

[SuBe]

But why do people need assault rifles to defend themselves when there are more reasonable weapons out there which would accomplish the same goal?

I would say that when, and this is going to happen eventually, because it always does, that there is a Revolution in this country, the people will need weapons to defend themselves from Government. If we ban all guns, we can only revolt with forks and spoons. This was the reason this was written into the constitution, so people can defend themselves against a tyrranical Government.

 

[The Senator]

I would say that when, and this is going to happen eventually, because it always does, that there is a Revolution in this country, the people will need weopens to defend themselves from Government. If we ban all guns, we can only revolt with forks and spoons. This was the reason this was written into the constitution, so people can defend themselves agains a tyrranical Government.

Well I'm sure an AK-47 will do wonders against a tank...

 

[BlackLantern]

If you break into my house, I will napalm you and shoot you with a L.A.W. Rocket while tazing you and dousing you with Agent Orange just before you step on a land mine.

jag

Dude..I just wanted to borrow a cup of sugar....

 

[The Lizard]

I've always found it ironic that Hollywood is predominantly liberal, which you would think would mean strict gun-control support.

I have yet to own a gun, but I always feel most inclined to go buy one after seeing any typical Hollywood movie where people are threatened by psychos or home-invaded or raped or kidnapped, etc etc...

 

[hammerhedd11]

What are your guys thoughts on gun control?

 

[hammerhedd11]

Can a mod change the title please? I wrote "of" instead of "or".

 

[The Senator]

I believe that anything which fires more than one bullet per shot has no place in our society other than as an ammunition-less display piece.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I'm for reasonable gun control. Background checks, certain types of restrictions, and whatnot are necessary, but over all I'm a firm supporter of the Second Amendment and the efforts of the NRA.