Discussion: WikiLeaks

[BlackLantern]

but doesn't slavery go against the spirit of the Constitution?

All men are created equal and all that

 

[StorminNorman]

It does, but you have to understand that the slavery was based less on discrimination-for-the-sake-of-discrimination and more on bad biology. They didn't believe blacks were the same type of man as whites (or, for that matter, the same type of man as the Persians, Mongols and Asians that European countries had spent centuries interacting with.)

 

[BlackLantern]

hell we still have people that believe that today

we can all agree that slavery is bad

 

[Kelly]

but doesn't slavery go against the spirit of the Constitution?

All men are created equal and all that

They understood that, read the first draft of the Declaration of Independence....why it didn't carry on from there....only Jefferson knows...

 

[StorminNorman]

Absolutely. Slavery is even worse than Serfdom and the greatest stain on America. It is slavery that destroyed the Constitution by fundamentally destroying it's moral foundation.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Only 1% of Diplomatic Doc's Published: Wikileaks

Nearly two months after WikiLeaks outraged the U.S. government by launching the release of a massive compendium of diplomatic documents, the secret-spilling website has published 2,628 U.S. State Department cables — just over 1 percent of its trove of 251,287 documents.

Some of the leaks included:

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had ordered U.S. diplomats to gather the computer passwords, fingerprints and even DNA of their foreign counterparts.

Israeli officials, who have often insisted their controversial blockade of the Gaza Strip is targeted only at their arch-foe Hamas, as freely acknowledging that the restrictions were in fact an effort to keep the Gazan economy teetering on the brink of collapse.


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Even though his website is no longer accepting submissions, Assange said secrets were still making their way to him all the time. Assange has hinted, a massive trove of e-mails from Bank of America, and data which he claimed carried details of tax evasion by some 2,000 prominent people via the Swiss Bank.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110123/ap_on_re_us/wikileaks_one_percent

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Five arrested over 'Anonymous' web attacks

Five men have been arrested over a spate of recent web attacks carried out in support of Wikileaks. The "Anonymous" 4chan group used an online tool called LOIC to allow members to easily take part in the bombardments of websites. The site from which it could be downloaded reassured people that there was "next to zero" chance that anyone who used it would be caught.
But a study found that the tool makes no attempt to hide a user's net address which would lead any investigator almost straight to an attacker.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12299137

 

[BlackLantern]

oh...that sucks for them

 

[Marx]

According to the AP, WikiLeaks has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

 

[Paroxysm]

It should be, Assange isn't the only person working for WikiLeaks.

 

[Kelly]

lol...

 

[Gamma Ray]

According to the AP, WikiLeaks has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

That's funny, because Assange is doing all of this to further his political causes. But then again, I guess they gave one to Gore.

 

[enterthemadness]

Wikileaks...

http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-bombshell-points-to-911-stand-down/

Newly released Wikileaks documents concerning the activities of three Qatari men who conducted surveillance of the World Trade Center and boarded flights on the eve of the 9/11 attacks adds to the plethora of evidence that at the very least US authorities were aware of the plot and deliberately stood down.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/wikil...igated-911-scout-team-qatar/story?id=12817707

 

[Zar25]

That's funny, because Assange is doing all of this to further his political causes. But then again, I guess they gave one to Gore.

Assange wasn't nominated. Wikileaks is. Irregardless of what you may think of the man, his organisation has done amazing work in bringing real transparency and journalism back.

As the saying goes - Truth can be a bitter pill to swallow

 

[BlackLantern]

Wikileaks...

http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-bombshell-points-to-911-stand-down/



http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/wikil...igated-911-scout-team-qatar/story?id=12817707

that's a bit hyperbolic....there is a difference between 'standing down' and doubting the credibility of a specifc threat

the Secret Service gets hundreds of threats against the President daily, various threats are vetted throughout other federal agencies...so when intelligence comes in, you have to determine what is real, what isn't, and what is worth dedicating resources to

 

[Paroxysm]

A Nobel Nomination for WikiLeaks? What About Bradley Manning.

 

[Marx]

UPDATE: AMERICAN WIKILEAKS' SOURCE COULD FACE DEATH PENALTY
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/03/02/Manning_Could_Face_Death_Penalty/

 

[Kelly]

Holy crap....

 

[Fading]

Holy crap indeed. I'm not a conspiracy theory nut or anything, but this can't be good for him. If the right politicians were pissed about it, they could pressure for a harsher sentence. Which I know shouldn't happen, but let's face it...a celebrity can run someone over drunk and get a slap on the wrist (mainly due to fat bank accounts), and a normal citizen do the same and get manslaughter. If they wanted an example to be made to prevent further leaks, this guy could be it. Then of course on the other hand too harsh and he becomes a martyr, and ppl will get an even bigger desire to know what's so important to enforce such a harsh punishment over.


To play devil's advocate (with myself lol), he had to know what he was getting into as well. I doubt while leaking all of those documents that he didn't atleast somewhere in his subconcious have some lingering feeling that he could be caught, and that he would atleast be imprisoned down the line. No way they would leave something like top secret document leaks alone without exhausting all resources to track down who did it.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

He exposed crime at some of the highest levels and he could put to death for it or locked up. Not honored, not congratulated, but his life taken from him. Think about that for a second.

 

[8wid]

This ridiculous punishment needs to be thrown out of court and the entire process reformed and made not so vague and harsh in punishment. If Obama does not pardon him, I think he should resign.

 

[Fading]

He exposed crime at some of the highest levels and he could put to death for it or locked up. Not honored, not congratulated, but his life taken from him. Think about that for a second.

Which in general shows how corrupt the system can really be and goes back to my line of thought about unfairness. A president can send 10's of thousands of troops potentially to their death, and our country to war over very flimsy theories and documents. That this dictator MAY have this weapon, or that tyrant COULD have ties with that organization. Then when we find out that there never was a connection, or weapon, it's, "Whoops our bad." It really is ass backwards that the crimes themselves are ok, but that the revealing of those crimes deserves capital punishment or jail time.


The truth coming out should always be a good thing. However it just happens to be the truth about a very powerful group of ppl and organization. If this had been a private detective leaking photos of Bob's wife cheating on him, it definitely wouldn't be a death sentence. If those politicians hadn't had committed those crimes we wouldn't even have a Wikileaks to talk about. However it seems the line of thinking is that it's better to shut down those making all the noise rather than try to fix all the faults that are coming out.

Haha...even typing the above makes me a bit nervous when I think of all the talk of jail time and death sentences are flung around about this thing. I mean it would be different if this was during WW2 and an American soldier was leaking the plans for the atomic bomb to HItler or something, but most of the big things are about singular corrupt politicians. Which even tho it could hurt others trust in us as a country in the now, could be better in the long run as those doing underhanded things that weaken our country in the form of under the table deals, or overlooking of horrific things, are weeded out, or become afraid to do further crimes.

 

[kytrigger]

People need to realize that UCMJ has several very strict laws and consequences, especially regarding classified material. It's not surprising that a new charge would have death as the maximimum penalty, especially if the charge is during a time of war.

Besides, prosecutors have already stated that if he is convicted, they will not be seeking the death penalty. IMO, people are just blowing it out of proportion.

 

[Bob ROARman!]

It's not just that, its that he's even being treated as a criminal in the first place.

 

[LOBO3315a]

The real question is, did he use his chain of command, or just run straight to the press? That's what will determine if he is in trouble or not.