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Discussion: WikiLeaks

That's how you would explain it to a kid? That you listen to the criminal organizations that say what this guy did was wrong? Seriously, is it just me or does that sound crazy to anyone else? Manning is only "wrong" because they say so. Imagine that, a criminal that is exposed as such labeling the person who outed them was wrong, that he's the one who needs to be locked up.

The US Military is not the Legion of Doom.

Manning isn't wrong because they, the military, say he is. He's wrong because what he did is a criminal act according to federal law. You cannot have members of the armed forces leaking confidential information, regardless of what it is. He has to be punished strictly to show that this behavior won't be tolerated. Military transparency cannot exist.
 
The US Military is not the Legion of Doom.

Manning isn't wrong because they, the military, say he is. He's wrong because what he did is a criminal act according to federal law. You cannot have members of the armed forces leaking confidential information, regardless of what it is. He has to be punished strictly to show that this behavior won't be tolerated.

You also can't have members of the armed forces murdering innocent civilians. How come those murderers aren't being punished strictly? Their behavior shouldn't be tolerated.

Military transparency cannot exist.

Oh it can, it's just harder for the US because they have so much blood & dirt on their hands.
 
You also can't have members of the armed forces murdering innocent civilians. How come those murderers aren't being punished strictly? Their behavior shouldn't be tolerated.
Except it wasn't murder.

Oh it can, it's just harder for the US because they have so much blood & dirt on their hands.
No, it can't. Secrecy is a weapon in the military.
 
I agree that governement and military transparency can, and should exist, within boundaries. Things like military positioning and strategies, that if leaked could endanger military lives, or the success of an operation should be kept secret. Our want to know should never come before that. However criminal acts being committed and being kept quiet is entirely a different matter. Just because the crime is happening in some of the highest offices of our country doesn't mean they should be tolerated.

I do agree that Manning knew what he was doing, and he had to have known it was a crime. I think what most of us speaking out against it had a problem with is that no one should be able to freely commit whatever crimes they want and get away with it. It undermines what America's supposed to stand for, the world's view of us when they find out, and the morals we're supposed to stand for. When those who lead us can do whatever the hell they want and cover it up, and then enforce punishment on anyone who dares leak it.

I guess I'm saying that my problem isn't with him being in trouble for leaking top secret documents as he had to have know it was against the law. My problem is that we even have documents that expose horrible crimes in our databases, nothing is done about them, and that attempting to make these crimes public is illegal in and of itself.
 
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I wouldn't call the airstrikes murder because murder means it is done with intent and malice.
 
I wouldn't call the airstrikes murder because murder means it is done with intent and malice.

I would.

What about the US soldiers killing innocent civilians for sport and mutilating their bodies by cutting off fingers and ripping out teeth to keep as trophies?
 
Interesting. I tried to come up with a statement that sounded as outlandish as that one, yet I couldn't. Baseless allegations are that. Baseless.
 
if a soldier of for instance iran or libia were to expose the wrongdoings of his regime we would call him a hero and if he were put in jail the western community and the US would call it unjust. now that a US soldier exposes the wrongdoings of his country, then suddenly it's a different story.
 
Interesting. I tried to come up with a statement that sounded as outlandish as that one, yet I couldn't. Baseless allegations are that. Baseless.

Oh shut up, you have no idea what the **** you're talking about.

Some of the activities of the self-styled "kill team" are already public, with 12 men currently on trial in Seattle for their role in the killing of three civilians.

Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...afghanistan-posed-pictures-murdered-civilians
 
Ahh, I had not heard about this. Looks like they are on trial for their actions, as they should be. Thanks for posting your source.

It also looks as if their chain of command was unaware, and these guys were acting without their knowledge. If found guilty, they face the same penalties as the guy who leaked the information without his chain of command's knowledge: life in prison or the death penalty. See the common factor?
 
What exactly did Manning expose? I remember reading about the secretary of state authorizing to spy on foreign diplomats...thats about it.
 
Found my old post I made in November of last year:

Some new [now old] Revelations from Wikileaks:

  • Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles
  • Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip
  • Bargaining to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison camp - including Slovenian diplomats being told to take in a freed prisoner if they wanted to secure a meeting with President Barack Obama
  • Germany being warned in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for US Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in an operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was abducted and held in Afghanistan
  • US officials being instructed to spy on the UN's leadership by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
  • The very close relationship between Russian PM Vladimir Putin and his Italian counterpart Silvio Berlusconi
  • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime
  • Yemen's president talking to then US Mid-East commander General David Petraeus about attacks on Yemeni al-Qaeda bases and saying: "We'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours"
  • Faltering US attempts to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon
Source: BBC

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Which ones did Manning expose?
 
It's only a matter of time before that, what was it, 300-character code is released.
 
That interview was fantastic. His last quote was very intriguing:

"In relation to the United States, we'll have to wait for the revolution."
 
Seems like his normal narcissistic ranting to me.
 

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