Django Unchained - Part 2

[ThePowerCosmic]

That was a good scene. While watching the movie I was disappointed Django was not the one to take out Candie

Candie was Shultz's enemy, while Stephen was Django's. It felt right to me.

 

[the last son]

Eh, when they had that scene with the dogs and Django and Candie were having that intense scene he was officially Django enemy. Then he was terrorizing Django wife. He only became Shultz enemy after their plan was foiled.

 

[gkokujin]

The whole movie was basically a blaxploitation revenge flick. As Foxx said in an interview, if you want to learn about slavery from a movie, watch a documentary, not this one. Ultimately it did just come down to Django taking issue with white people, aside from Schultz. Politically incorrect it may be, she was guilty because she was white, point blank.

man look. I heard all the hubbub, then went and saw the movie.
I was like people were pissed about THIS???

This **** was AWESOME. Political correctness has turned the United states into a bunch of whining *****es.

1. Its a MOVIE
2. its not a documentary
3. see 1 and 2

the ONLY inaccuracy that is even viable is "The Cleopatra Club". While i think the idea of it is "interesting", Egyptians weren't recognized as black back then. And even today...she isn't.

but meh, it was a great movie and i'd actually see it again.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Cleopatra wasn't even Egyptian. She was Greek.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Eh, when they had that scene with the dogs and Django and Candie were having that intense scene he was officially Django enemy. Then he was terrorizing Django wife. He only became Shultz enemy after their plan was foiled.

Nah, Candie was just feeling Django out and Django didn't give in. Shultz was the most affected by the dog scene, suffering from flashbacks of it when that woman was playing the harp. Django's enemy was Stephen, who was the true mastermind of the operation and saw through Django, Shultz, and Hildy from the beginning. If it weren't for Stephen, Calvin wouldn't have been any the wiser and King's plan would have gone off without a hitch.

 

[Holiday]

Of course Schultz shot Candie. Do you honestly think that Calvin would have just let them walk out of there after they made him out to be a fool? Schultz knew that a simple handshake wasn't going to ensure their survival, so he just said f*** it and shot Candie before Candie could do anything to him or order Butch to shoot Django and Broomhilda. The plan was going to fail regardless of a handshake or not, because Calvin had already found them out at that point and no one was safe.

I don't know that Candie would've bothered killing Django and company due to him taking the time to write up the document for Broomhilda's freedom. He was made out to be a fool yes, but was also $12,000 richer. He could've killed them right away if he really wanted too.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I don't know that Candie would've bothered killing Django and company due to him taking the time to write up the document for Broomhilda's freedom. He was made out to be a fool yes, but was also $12,000 richer. He could've killed them right away if he really wanted too.

A man with an ego like Calvin was not going to let them walk out alive. He was going to take the money and kill them after the handshake.

 

[Holiday]

A man with an ego like Calvin was not going to let them walk out alive. He was going to take the money and kill them after the handshake.

Then what was the point of writing up the doc for Broomhilda? We are shown he took his time to do it right. Why go through the trouble?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Then what was the point of writing up the doc for Broomhilda? We are shown he took his time to do it right. Why go through the trouble?

Just to play the game. Calvin was attempting to play them like they played him. Plus, I don't think it would have been final without the paperwork being written up. Candie wanted to get paid.

 

[Holiday]

Why bother? He had the twelve thousand, a "ridiculous sum", and gave up what in his mind was nothing to get it. He had already won.

 

[LostSon88]

Exactly. I don't think it was a show at all.

They tried to play him, they failed. Not only did he outsmart them, he also got paid anyway. In the end, after all the games he still got what he wanted and they got played.

The handshake was simply one last way to shine Schultz on.

A final **** you. Hence, why Schultz ended up putting one in his chest.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Why bother? He had the twelve thousand, a "ridiculous sum", and gave up what in his mind was nothing to get it. He had already won.

Calvin felt he hadn't won until he got that handshake with Shultz. Shultz knew this, causing them both to have a clash of egos. In the end, Shultz was not going to be the one to give in and shake Candie's hand and Candie was not going to let them out alive regardless of what Shultz did.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Exactly. I don't think it was a show at all.

They tried to play him, they failed. Not only did he outsmart them, he also got paid anyway. In the end, after all the games he still got what he wanted and they got played.

The handshake was simply one last way to shine Schultz on.

A final **** you. Hence, why Schultz ended up putting one in his chest.

Candie didn't outsmart them. They outsmarted Candie, and it was Stephen who outsmarted them and informed Candie of the situation. Candie knew this, and that's why he wanted to stage a charade of his own.

 

[Rum Runner]

i don't think Candie was going to kill them. Like others have said, Candie was just revelling in the fact that he had them by the balls. The handshake was a final insult.

Thinking about the film more, I think Django's character arc was brilliant. Loved at the end how it showed all the things he learnt from Schultz. Him thinking up a plan by himself and smooth talking the miners. Then when he finds Schultz's body and reads the bill of payment. Then making a slick entrance dressed up in a sharp suit and cracking wise as he took out everyone at Candyland. I think Foxx did a really good job. I personally can't see someone like Will Smith, great actor as he is, pulling it off. Foxx just has this quiet intensity about him, especially in the earlier parts of the film where he doesn't speak much, but says a lot with his eyes. The way he evolved from this quietly seething guy to the smooth operator and quickest gun in the south who can make his horse dance at the end was fantastic in my opinion.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Maybe, maybe not. That's just how I interpreted the situation.

 

[LostSon88]

At the end of it all Candie was and is a businessman. Everything he did was about business. The slave mauled to death by dogs because he couldn't reimburse Candies investment? Business.

He got played, got pissed, but was promised $12,000 and expected $12,000. In the end, he got it regardless of the means.

Why continue to go through the charade? He got his money. It's a business transaction.

The handshake was his final way to show them up.

Why go through all that, fill out the paperwork then kill them after? Seems like a waste of time...

He got what he wanted, came out the 'winner' and proved his point. Killing them would've been overkill.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Because Calvin had been humiliated by them. At that point, it wasn't just business. It was personal. If it weren't, Calvin wouldn't have showed so much anger at the dinner table.

 

[the last son]

The funniest scene in the movie was when Candie says"Well hell I can't even imagine two weeks in Boston". That was pretty funny.

 

[the last son]

Why couldn't Schultz just go up to Candie in the beginning and just ask to buy Hildie and forget all the schemes and plans?

 

[LostSon88]

Again, then what's the point of performing a whole act, signing the paperwork? Why not just kill em once you get the money?

It's doesnt make sense. Well it does but, it's pointless.

Which is why I still say it was a business deal that Candie wanted to legitimately deal with a handshake/**** you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nah, Candie was just feeling Django out and Django didn't give in. Shultz was the most affected by the dog scene, suffering from flashbacks of it when that woman was playing the harp. Django's enemy was Stephen, who was the true mastermind of the operation and saw through Django, Shultz, and Hildy from the beginning. If it weren't for Stephen, Calvin wouldn't have been any the wiser and King's plan would have gone off without a hitch.

I think they setup Django/Stephen when he mentioned earlier in the film the hatred for head house slaves. I think they even said it was worse then that for the black slaver.

 

[Rum Runner]

Because like he said to Django, if he asked Candie to just buy a 200 dollar slave he would have been laughed at. He had to get his attention and an invitation to Candyland, that's why they did the whole mandingo expert charade.

 

[LostSon88]

Why couldn't Schultz just go up to Candie in the beginning and just ask to buy Hildie and forget all the schemes and plans?

Because Candie wouldn't have even bothered to see them for a $300 payday. The whole idea was to entertain Candie with the promise of $12,000 whèn they were really just gonna give him 300.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It definitely sucked and throughout the ensuing shootout I couldnt help but think about Schultz dead on the floor. Gone just like that.

That is exactly what happened to me. I felt a little hollow, a little distracted for the rest of the film.

Because Candie wouldn't have even bothered to see them for a $300 payday. The whole idea was to entertain Candie with the promise of $12,000 whèn they were really just gonna give him 300.

They should of just paid the $12,000 for Hildy.

 

[Rum Runner]

I thought that was great. I loved Schultz, and I totally didn't expect him to die. Then he did. It didn't distract me, it just made me root for Django even more and want him to settle the score. Thought it was a nice touch how he found his body and said auf wiedersehen. Schultz's explanation of what it really means to Candie, until i see you again, made it even more poignant.