Django Unchained - Part 2

[Rum Runner]

In regards to the mechs seeming a bit unimaginative for Del Toro's standards, I kinda agree. But I have no doubt that the monsters themselves will be brilliantly designed.

 

[Rum Runner]

In regards to all the controversy surrounding this film and Tarantino's films in general, I just don't get it. Yea the n-word is used a lot, not just in this film but his others. Yes there is always a lot of cursing. But look at the films Tarantino makes. Look at the characters in his films. Most of them are not very nice people, even the so called good guys. His films are usually about criminals and are set in not very nice parts of society. Tarantino himself isn't using the n-word, the characters he creates are.

 

[the last son]

Because Candie wouldn't have even bothered to see them for a $300 payday. The whole idea was to entertain Candie with the promise of $12,000 whèn they were really just gonna give him 300.

So why not just offer like 3,000 or something instead of risking your life on a plan?

 

[Rum Runner]

So why not just offer like 3,000 or something instead of risking your life on a plan?

If someone offered him 3000 dollars for a slave like Hildi, eyebrows would be raised.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

The funniest scene in the movie was when Candie says"Well hell I can't even imagine two weeks in Boston". That was pretty funny.

I think the point of that scene was to show how much Candie's ass was being kissed. It wasn't funny and it felt like everyone gave fake laughs except for Django, who was the only one being honest.

 

[Rum Runner]

I thought it was pretty funny. And it's probably something a southern gentlemen would say in that era, considering what was going on between the north and south at the time.

 

[the last son]

If someone offered him 3000 dollars for a slave like Hildi, eyebrows would be raised.

Who cares.

 

[the last son]

I think the point of that scene was to show how much Candie's ass was being kissed. It wasn't funny and it felt like everyone gave fake laughs except for Django, who was the only one being honest.

That's the point. Jackson performance and laughter made that scene the funniest in the movie

 

[Rum Runner]

Who cares.

What do you mean who cares? If Schultz offered Candie 3000 dollars for Hildi he'd immediately be suspicious. I mean if you was selling your car for say a thousand bucks, then someone offered you 10000, wouldn't you be a bit suspicious about the whole thing? Or at least interested to know why someone would pay that much over the odds?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think the point of that scene was to show how much Candie's ass was being kissed. It wasn't funny and it felt like everyone gave fake laughs except for Django, who was the only one being honest.

In context I remember it being pretty funny. Of course there was the overreaction, but the joke wasn't bad.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Who cares.

Ahh we've been over this so much here. It's all in schultz character to want to have the upper hand. Schultz didn't want to pay candie $5000 or $3000 certainly not $12,000 for broomhilda. He wanted to trick candie and get her for what her actual value was $350. By pretending to be interested in a high priced fighter he could simultaneously get his attention while misleading him on what their true intention was.

They or at least he had never any intention to fully compensate that man who they though was despicable. Scultz was just too confident in his scheme though.

 

[Rum Runner]

Yea. Their idea was to take Hildi for 350 that night, and not return 5 days later for the mandingo as promised. But in the end Schultz was prepared to pay 12000 for Hildi's freedom because he knew how much she meant to Django.

 

[the last son]

Just pay 1,000 and move on.

 

[Rum Runner]

But they wouldn't just move on. Candie and especially Stephen would be interested to know why they'd pay that much for a simple slave. And they probably wouldn't even be invited to Candyland if all they were after was a slave girl.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The plan is so easy. You have a German speaking slave? I am a German. Pay the 500 bucks and be happy. They would have had to pay over the odds, but not nearly that much.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

The funniest scene in the movie had to be the one with the mob and the "bag situation".

 

[Rum Runner]

The plan is so easy. You have a German speaking slave? I am a German. Pay the 500 bucks and be happy. They would have had to pay over the odds, but not nearly that much.

Would they have even got Candie's "attention" for 500 bucks? They wouldn't have been invited to Candyland i don't think.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Would they have even got Candie's "attention" for 500 bucks? They wouldn't have been invited to Candyland i don't think.

They wouldn't of had to go to Candyland. Offer him more, but not something crazy. Candie would of been happy with a nice little profit.

This entire plan works so much better if Django isn't there. There is the biggest problem with this whole thing. Hildy and Django couldn't stop reacting. It was infuriating.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Shultz would have been found out earlier if Django wasn't there with him. Shultz almost blew his cover a little before the dog scene where he offered to reimburse Calvin for that slave, but Django put them back on track.

 

[LostSon88]

Well he's been looking for his wife for months...it's been his main objective since he was freed.

When he finally sees her, you expect them to just ignore each other? Plus it's not like they did anything obvious.

Hell, Steven was the only one that picked up on it.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Again, then what's the point of performing a whole act, signing the paperwork? Why not just kill em once you get the money?

It's doesnt make sense. Well it does but, it's pointless.

Which is why I still say it was a business deal that Candie wanted to legitimately deal with a handshake/**** you.

Think about what happened earlier with Big Daddy. Sure, he let them walk away from the plantation earlier after they lied to him about why they were there... but eventually, he got his klan and went to kill both Shultz and Django. It was because Big Daddy was angry that they got the best of him, and Calvin most likely thought the same way.

 

[Bruce Malone]

They wouldn't of had to go to Candyland. Offer him more, but not something crazy. Candie would of been happy with a nice little profit.

This entire plan works so much better if Django isn't there. There is the biggest problem with this whole thing. Hildy and Django couldn't stop reacting. It was infuriating.

Here's the thing you are all thinking this through your own eyes but not schultz. Schultz like's grand plans. Schultz wants to be the guy scheming the other guy not the guy continually raising what he will pay to the other guy.

Again Scultz would rather die then shake a man hands that he can't respect. This is not a guy looking to give candie a nice little profit. He was there to scheme him plain and simple.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Here's the thing you are all thinking this through your own eyes but not schultz. Schultz like's grand plans. Schultz wants to be the guy scheming the other guy not the guy continually raising what he will pay to the other guy.

Again Scultz would rather die then shake a man hands that he can't respect. This is not a guy looking to give candie a nice little profit. He was there to scheme him plain and simple.

Oh, I agree, but that is also why the last half of the film is a bit flimsy. You have to leave common sense out of it completely.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Tarrantino always deals with flawed characters who make un-wise decisions/plans often. Look at IB where for some reason their super secret info sharing meeting ended up in the basement of a pub with only one way out and surrounded by nazi soldiers.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I avoided this whole argument because I find it to be a moot point. Django isn't a perfect character. He's not a perfect protagonist. Whether Candie's sister innocent or not is moot point because Django's not John Wayne, he's more like The Man With No Name who has some conscience, but is more an anti-hero than a pure hero.