Do u think de media's desensitizing of prison has made it a less sucessful deterrent?

[November Rain]

Going to prison for some people is no longer a bad thing, heck in some walks of life having prison years actually helps with unerworld reputation.

Is this the way it has always been or has prison life been glamourised and softened by documentaries and also films.

can going to jail alone be used as a means of keeping people from doing commiting crimes, no matter how long the term is for?


This is one thing Religion i feel manages to achieve, the fear of the unknown (the afterlife or hel) has been used to keep people in check for centuries, lf a hell was tangible, i somehow feel the ability to use religion in order to keep order would be lose its edge.

The unknown that was prison has now become a regular experience being lived through others in media and i believe that we all may have acclimatized to it, some a lot more than others.

Thoughts?

 

[Hades]

Well, I know from my experience I'd never want to spend any time in jail.

I can't stand places controlled places like that. I value my freedom too much.

 

[LadyVader]

Yeah and there's that whole rape thing.

 

[November Rain]

which thing?

 

[Hades]

Why am I always the first one to reply to your threads?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

can going to jail alone be used as a means of keeping people from doing commiting crimes, no matter how long the term is for?

The shower scene in American History X has effectively deterred me from even jay-walking.

 

[X-Chick]

No, if they want something bad enough, they'll do it regardless, especially when they think they'll never get caught. Also, its sole purpose is not just to deter crime but also to get them off the streets so that they can't harm the general public.

 

[November Rain]

Why am I always the first one to reply to your threads?

love?

 

[Prognosticator]

No, if anything I think it would make it worse b/c if a person goes into jail thinking, "Man, I've seen all of these scenarios on TV before, so it won't be too bad"...

Then, after a couple of days of hearing language with more explitives than nouns or verbs, and a SERIOUS feeling of threat in the shower/mess hall/field yard/and anywhere else, the "TV delusion" is going to seem like a beautiful fantasy!

 

[Hades]

love?

:heart:

 

[jaguarr]

I think it's more the softness of the penal and judicial systems that's rendered the threat of prison less effective, to be honest. Rapists and murderers often get out without having to serve their full term for good behavior while on the inside. And, the legal system has become very easy for prisoners to exploit and garner damn near as many privileges on the inside as the do on the outside (cable TV, video games, magazine subscriptions, internet access, workout facilities, education programs, good food). Prison should be someplace NO ONE would ever want to go for any reason at all. It's turned into summer camp for most of these guys, many of whom have very few options in life on the outside. It's actually enriching to their lives to go to prison for some of them, because they have far more on the inside than they do on the outside. There's something seriously wrong with that. I like the concept of hard labor for prisoners, which a few states have even started to bring back. Those guys are there to pay a debt to society so make them work their asses off. Hard physical labor in a place like that would be a VERY strong deterrent for a lot of these guys to never want to go back to our already overcrowded prison system. If they knew they wouldn't be just screwing around for days on end, working out, playing X-Box and reading dirty magazines but instead busting their butts for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, they'd think twice about doing things that would put them there in the first place.

jag

 

[Darthphere]

You know sometimes I watch these shows and documentaries on prison and say "It doesnt look that bad" Then I think of Oz and come back to reality.

 

[November Rain]

No, if they want something bad enough, they'll do it regardless, especially when they think they'll never get caught. Also, its sole purpose is not just to deter crime but also to get them off the streets so that they can't harm the general public.

You see the thing is, back in the day in medeival times when dungeons and hardcore means of torturing and execution was around, I was always under the impression (whether right or wrong) that it managed to keep a lid on things.

This was due to the fact that either people didn't really know what would happen to them when they got busted (and tall tales would heighten this sensation of the unknowne) and generally what did happen to you wasn't pretty.

I understand the prisons also act as a form of keeping people in during their punishment times but you very rarely hear about prison breakouts, so in that respectm I feel that security is decent.

However I do have a friend who works with young offenders and the amount of times he's told me that he has told his young chappie...

'if you keep doing this, you'll end up in jail'

and the kid shrugs it off, it's fairly regular.

but i do get your 'regardless argument', it correlates with reasons as to why i still smoke even though it may cause my death (although i highly doubt it).

thanks for your opinion.

 

[November Rain]

The shower scene in American History X has effectively deterred me from even jay-walking.

I haven't seen it,

 

[Mr Sparkle]

The shower scene in American History X has effectively deterred me from even jay-walking.

yeah.....I don't get why people think getting raped on regular basis helps your cred.

 

[Prognosticator]

Jag, makes about 10 GREAT points, and I agree completely!

You know what, if inmates were working their respective asses off all day, they just might work off some of that angst that builds up. If a guy can swing a pic axe (just an example) for 5 hours, then maybe he's less likely to shank some crack addict for walking by his cell during open hours.

Maybe all that hard work out in the heat would take away some of the sexual frustration as well!

And while I'm thinking about it, why the hell don't prisons give prisoners salt-peter in their drinking water, the way the military does?!??!?

...It'd sure cut down on the sexual assults, maybe by 40% or 50%

 

[November Rain]

I think it's more the softness of the penal and judicial systems that's rendered the threat of prison less effective, to be honest. Rapists and murderers often get out without having to serve their full term for good behavior while on the inside. And, the legal system has become very easy for prisoners to exploit and garner damn near as many privileges on the inside as the do on the outside (cable TV, video games, magazine subscriptions, internet access, workout facilities, education programs, good food). Prison should be someplace NO ONE would ever want to go for any reason at all. It's turned into summer camp for most of these guys, many of whom have very few options in life on the outside. It's actually enriching to their lives to go to prison for some of them, because they have far more on the inside than they do on the outside. There's something seriously wrong with that. I like the concept of hard labor for prisoners, which a few states have even started to bring back. Those guys are there to pay a debt to society so make them work their asses off. Hard physical labor in a place like that would be a VERY strong deterrent for a lot of these guys to never want to go back to our already overcrowded prison system. If they knew they wouldn't be just screwing around for days on end, working out, playing X-Box and reading dirty magazines but instead busting their butts for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, they'd think twice about doing things that would put them there in the first place.

jag

These points i've highlighted got me wondering

Your opinion of this, Have you gotten them from media (non-fiction or fiction) or perhaps in knowing people that have spent time in prison.

also for potential prisoners, do they get this idea through actually going to prison or by media representations.

I feel the ideas and viewpoints need to come from somewhere and i'm wondering who holds a piece of that blame.

 

[jaguarr]

^^^

Most of the sexual assault in prison is largely about control and domination, rather than sexual desire, so I don't know how much salt peter would do to curb that.

I can guarantee that if these guys were tired and sore from working their asses off all day long they wouldn't have the energy to be raping asses after lights out, though.

jag

 

[Darthphere]

^^^

Most of the sexual assault in prison is largely about control and domination, rather than sexual desire, so I don't know how much salt peter would do to curb that.

I can guarantee that if these guys were tired and sore from working their asses off all day long they wouldn't have the energy to be raping asses after lights out, though.

jag

Wanna bet....

 

[jaguarr]

These points i've highlighted got me wondering

Your opinion of this, Have you gotten them from media (non-fiction or fiction) or perhaps in knowing people that have spent time in prison.

also for potential prisoners, do they get this idea through actually going to prison or by media representations.

I feel the ideas and viewpoints need to come from somewhere and i'm wondering who holds a piece of that blame.

I used to work in the court system, handling appellate cases. My opinion is not formed from the media but from what I saw first hand with my own eyes.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

Wanna bet....

I think it was Georgia I read about that brought back the concept of hard labor programs, but I might be mistaken about the state. They work those guys 12 hours a day, 6 days a week doing hard, hard labor like digging ditches, clearing fields by hand and breaking rocks. The instance of inter-prisoner sexual assault dropped DRAMATICALLY. All those guys wanted to do was take a hot shower, eat something and collapse because they knew they'd have to get up in six or seven hours and do it all over again. The return rate of prisoners exiting that program was also very low from what I remember. Once they got a taste of that, they didn't want any more.

jag

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I can guarantee that if these guys were tired and sore from working their asses off all day long they wouldn't have the energy to be raping asses after lights out, though.

jag

but what if the spent the whole day looking at that guy they like bending over to shovel dirt and such....and he was all sweaty.
Love would abound:heart::heart::heart::heart:

 

[Hades]

I think it was Georgia I read about that brought back the concept of hard labor programs, but I might be mistaken about the state. They work those guys 12 hours a day, 6 days a week doing hard, hard labor like digging ditches, clearing fields by hand and breaking rocks. The instance of inter-prisoner sexual assault dropped DRAMATICALLY. All those guys wanted to do was take a hot shower, eat something and collapse because they knew they'd have to get up in six or seven hours and do it all over again. The return rate of prisoners exiting that program was also very low from what I remember. Once they got a taste of that, they didn't want any more.

jag

Like in Cool hand Luke?

 

[Prognosticator]

the fact that prisoners are allowed to play the same video games that some circles would deem detrimental to their psychological perspective on society shows how screwed up things are...

...how can rehabilitation of any form be expected when they're continuing to live a life of crime in a perpetual fantasy world?

 

[November Rain]

I used to work in the court system, handling appellate cases. My opinion is not formed from the media but from what I saw first hand with my own eyes.

jag

Cool, i was merely speculating, sorry if it came across as rude.

as for the people you worked with, how did they form their opions on the subject matter about how prison would be like?

Having never been to prison myself or worked in the law system, all my opinions on the subject matter is based on information provided by media.