Two things:2. The "missing link" has yet to be discovered to scientifically link all ape/humans together.
I have no doubt that its conceivably possible that in millions of years we came from another species. But I also believe there is a higher power who created existence.
Ever see Prometheus people? Jeeeeze.
As a Christian, I can comfortably accept the theory of evolution. Let me explain.
Many agree that the Big Bang was, in essence, the "let there be light!" moment, when the universe was given material form. This tells me that while God is all-powerful, He chooses to use the natural processes (ie "laws," be they of physics, motion, time, nature, etc.) in order to create.
In regards to evolution, one can conceive of it as though God is an artist, continually refining, correcting, perfecting, and yes, sometimes erasing His work. I'm not asking everyone to believe as I do, but I believe that God utilizes evolution as a means for us as humans to easily recognize and comprehend His work.
Does this imply that God can make a mistake?
No. As a writer I'm always finding things in my work to improve. It doesn't make what I changed or erased a mistake. It's an evolutionary process![]()
This is not accepting it...to understand it in its base innate concept, you cannot credit any sort of 'designer' to it. It is by nature the opposite of any supernatural involvement whatsoever. Otherwise you're fictionalizing it....which is what religion, by concept, does.As a Christian, I can comfortably accept the theory of evolution. Let me explain.
Many agree that the Big Bang was, in essence, the "let there be light!" moment, when the universe was given material form. This tells me that while God is all-powerful, He chooses to use the natural processes (ie "laws," be they of physics, motion, time, nature, etc.) in order to create.
In regards to evolution, one can conceive of it as though God is an artist, continually refining, correcting, perfecting, and yes, sometimes erasing His work. I'm not asking everyone to believe as I do, but I believe that God utilizes evolution as a means for us as humans to easily recognize and comprehend His work.
This is not accepting it...to understand it in its base innate concept, you cannot credit any sort of 'designer' to it. It is by nature the opposite of any supernatural involvement whatsoever. Otherwise you're fictionalizing it....which is what religion, by concept, does.
Not saying that you shouldn't believe in God...but you should know that if there is one, he's not involved with evolution or anything that has to do with how the universe and ourselves came about.
I have no doubt that its conceivably possible that in millions of years we came from another species. But I also believe there is a higher power who created existence.
Ever see Prometheus people? Jeeeeze.
God is responsible for creation of the universe and world, but he allows the laws that He put in place at its creation to act accordingly. Therefore, He does not directly involve Himself in evolution but He is responsible for it. At times He may add some divine intervention in the form of genetic mutation, but that's as far as it goes. It's a way for us to more easily understand God's creation.
I've got a lot of respect for you Kal, you're a good poster and an intelligent one. I hope we can have a civilized debate![]()
What makes you think there is a supernatural being behind any of these processes?
That's the part where this debate always falls apart.
Agreed. It requires a certain perspective that not everyone has. But the way I see it, there's so much beauty in the universe that it's impossible for me to not believe that someone is responsible for it. Just my perspective.
No he isn't, or anything else. That's a core error in religious belief that needs to change with the times because we know better now. No god or anything of the sort is involved with that, or anything connected to that, in any way.God is responsible for creation of the universe and world, but he allows the laws that He put in place at its creation to act accordingly. Therefore, He does not directly involve Himself in evolution but He is responsible for it. At times He may add some divine intervention in the form of genetic mutation, but that's as far as it goes. It's a way for us to more easily understand God's creation.
I've got a lot of respect for you Kal, you're a good poster and an intelligent one. I hope we can have a civilized debate![]()
Agreed. It requires a certain perspective that not everyone has. But the way I see it, there's so much beauty in the universe that it's impossible for me to not believe that someone is responsible for it. Just my perspective.
That's the part where this debate always falls apart.
I always felt it's the unfalsifiable position the religious assert from. It's a game of "winning" and God is the win button.
How can you possibly argue any subject with someone who can assert something beyond anyone's imagination is responsible for whatever it is you happen to be talking about? At the same time, depending on the person, they know it's divine plan and not know the divine plan?
The discussion is not honest to begin with
And really when it coms down to it, I don't want to tell you that you're wrong to find beauty or personal joy in something. And not that there's anything I find particularly harmful in your outlook, I just think it's not accurate and shouldn't be taught to children as fact. I think it could be known not to be real or actual, but still hold value as a way of thinking....as if through an artist's eye. But still important to distinguish it as art or representation, not actual.I've got a lot of respect for you Kal, you're a good poster and an intelligent one. I hope we can have a civilized debate![]()
There's no evidence for it.
In my opinion they very concept is rather childish.
It's become a little more sophisticated. It's no longer a bearded man, but a vague "higher power". But to me at least, it remains a childish notion.
There is no evidence for anything pre-big bang. Pure speculation.
I'm just tired of the "God of the gaps". It's like deists, even ones who acknowledge things like evolution and the modern cosmological model, just can't part with the ancient creator mythology.
Let it go. Unless there is evidence to the contrary, give it up.