Do you accept the theory of evolution?

[Devil-In]

They believe in the 6 days of creation, 1 day of rest, and in most cases 6,000 year old earth. I know creationists who refuse to accept dinosaurs. They flat out reject them. I know some who ignore them. They say their faith cancels out the need for proof. Ive had creationists say that dinosaurs are an attempt by satan to lead us from the path and truth of God's word.

Oh and can i just say im tired of the question "Do you believe in evolution?" Evolution like any science doesnt need someone's belief. You examine the facts and data and accept the correct conclusion. Belief doesnt factor into the equation at all. People's beliefs dont change fact. It is a case of what you believe isnt the same as what is real. You can believe that evolution is false but it doesnt make it any less scientifically sound. Id really love people to stop asking peoples beliefs on scientific matters. Ask them whether they accept logic, reason, and evidence or whether they believe in magic. That is the only real question here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZcztxRquo

I think you, me, and this Genius by the name Bill Hicks have all the same conversation with the same people.

 

[KalMart]

I think a lot of theists wouldn't be as opposed to evolution if it was proposed not to apply to humans.

 

[Piper Maru]

PART 1: David Attenborough on Darwin - by Nature Video

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British broadcaster Sir David Attenborough presents his views on Charles Darwin, natural selection, and how the Bible has put the natural world in peril in an exclusive interview for Nature Video.

 

[Lighthouse]

No. Evolution hasn't been proven. It's still just a theory.



Com'on now, that was weak. You can actually see iron but you can't see evolution. Nobody has ever witnessed a species evolve into a completely different species. So that was a bad comparison.

Ok, you have to be trolling. There is no way you just ignored every refutation of this argument literally posted on the same page and post the "just a theory" point.

 

[Marvolo]

I think a lot of theists wouldn't be as opposed to evolution if it was proposed not to apply to humans.

Forget that human egocentric BS. To be blunt i dont care if science and nature hurts their pride we are all mammals, primates, and simians. People have got to get over this **** and stop trying to make fact and science fit into their comfort zone. In textbooks it should say first and formost "You are a mammal. You are a simian. You are a primate. You are not a special snowtflake. You are the same decaying matter as everything else.Let that sink in. Take a deep breath and a moment to recognize that your perfect illusion about yourself has ended but the world has not. Congratulations, you have now begun to think like an intelligent being. When ready, move on to the next point in the text like a logical and responsible human being."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZcztxRquo

I think you, me, and this Genius by the name Bill Hicks have all the same conversation with the same people.

Oh, Bill Hicks, to have a conversation and a glass of scotch with that man.

 

[Shemtov]

OH! Silly me. Sorry, my bad. No, I knew you folks existed, I grew up in the Bible Belt for God's Sake (no pun intended), I just thought you all, by now, would've crawled out from underneath YOUR rocks, that's all.

I mean no disrespect, really. Like I said, I grew up in the Bible belt, I'm used to this particular mode of thinking. I just don't, never have, and never will, understand why you folks choose to believe the exact opposite of what we know is true. If that's what you wanna believe, I am no one to judge you, so you go right ahead, knock yourself out.

Literally. Please. It'll make the world a happier place for us all.

I know what your trying too do. You're trying to post something to get me angry, cause your a troll, right? Well I ain't feeding yo. I am stayin' perfectly calm and from now on I'll just ignore you.

Here's the thing. Let's say you don't believe in evolution. You're one of those people who say "it's just a theory". Fine. Then what do you believe? And what science do you base it on?

The intelligent design movement (rather wisely) spends most of its time arguing about evolution, and spreading falsehoods about. They rarely if ever actually states what they believe.

So, let's hear it.

Well, intelligent design takes loads of forms, and what one may believe is different then the other. We share one common belief, so we band together and talk about that one belief.
Also, when I posted what at least some of us believe, the response was basically:' "that's off-topic and has nothing to do with evolution".

 

[Lighthouse]

Forget that human egocentric BS. To be blunt i dont care if science and nature hurts their pride we are all mammals, primates, and simians. People have got to get over this **** and stop trying to make fact and science fit into their comfort zone. In textbooks it should say first and formost "You are a mammal. You are a simian. You are a primate. You are not a special snowtflake. You are the same decaying matter as everything else.Let that sink in. Take a deep breath and a moment to recognize that your perfect illusion about yourself has ended but the world has not. Congratulations, you have now begun to think like an intelligent being. When ready, move on to the next point in the text like a logical and responsible human being."



Oh, Bill Hicks, to have a conversation and a glass of scotch with that man.

If I could have a glass of scotch with Bill Hicks and Christopher Hitchens, I think I would be okay with dying the next day.

 

[KalMart]

Forget that human egocentric BS. To be blunt i dont care if science and nature hurts their pride we are all mammals, primates, and simians. People have got to get over this **** and stop trying to make fact and science fit into their comfort zone. In textbooks it should say first and formost "You are a mammal. You are a simian. You are a primate. You are not a special snowtflake. You are the same decaying matter as everything else.Let that sink in. Take a deep breath and a moment to recognize that your perfect illusion about yourself has ended but the world has not. Congratulations, you have now begun to think like an intelligent being. When ready, move on to the next point in the text like a logical and responsible human being."

To be fair, it's much easier for someone not on that end to just say 'deal with it'. It's far different for the to rethink their teachings, traditions, and indoctrinations as easily as someone else looks past them. It should be as simple as getting over the flat-Earth and Earth-as-center-of-solar system misbeliefs, but this...although no less sensible, scientifically sound, or provable...strikes at the core of much of what religion bases its premise on - the idea of creation, the duty attached to that, and the hubris in believing that we are somehow specially 'chosen'. If religion truly does rely on this to legitimize its faith, it really must take people for fools.

But all in all, if atheists and/or those who believe in religion hope for theists and creationists to accept it, it's important not to 'gloat' over it or make them feel ridiculed by it. I think we all have to understand that it's a truth worth knowing and accepting for the betterment of mankind, and that it doesn't make out existence meaningless or purposeless whether you're religious or not.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I can't imagine someone could look at Earth. The sheer vastness and complexity of it and say "oh yeah, this can't be more than 6,000 years old".

There are living trees older than that.

How can you look at the fossilized remains of a dinosaur and say "eh that was probably walking around a few thousand years ago."

 

[KingMob]

I have an idea for a new thread I thought I test out here..."Do you accept the theory of photosynthesis?" And its brother thread, "Do you accept that Earth is a sphere and not flat?"

 

[KalMart]

I can't imagine someone could look at Earth. The sheer vastness and complexity of it and say "oh yeah, this can't be more than 6,000 years old".

There are living trees older than that.

How can you look at the fossilized remains of a dinosaur and say "eh that was probably walking around a few thousand years ago."

Some may say that 'carbon dating is inaccurate'. Perhaps...but 6000 vs. 100Million inaccurate? Others will point to passages of the bible that could mean any of a thousand things and say it's referring to dinosaurs coexisting with people in ancient biblical times. It's almost laughable that its so desparate...but then it's not so funny because of how sad it is that there are still children who are being led to believe this from a young age. Never mind atheists, people of faith should have a responsibility to keep this from spreading. Stop letting fundamentalists and creationists give faith in general such a bad rap.

 

[Lighthouse]

Not to mention there are other methods besides carbon dating (lots of them)that confirm the Earth's age.

 

[Shemtov]

Some may say that 'carbon dating is inaccurate'. Perhaps...but 6000 vs. 100Million inaccurate? Others will point to passages of the bible that could mean any of a thousand things and say it's referring to dinosaurs coexisting with people in ancient biblical times. It's almost laughable that its so desparate...but then it's not so funny because of how sad it is that there are still children who are being led to believe this from a young age. Never mind atheists, people of faith should have a responsibility to keep this from spreading. Stop letting fundamentalists and creationists give faith in general such a bad rap.

So what?
Is that child abuse or something?
And if so, how?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yes, yes it is. Deliberately teaching your child falsehoods and miseducating them is definitely a form of child abuse.

 

[Shemtov]

Yes, yes it is. Deliberately teaching your child falsehoods and miseducating them is definitely a form of child abuse.

How would you like it if a creationist said that teaching atheism is child abuse?

Also, are you saying that creationists don't believe what they say they beleive in? If not, better check the dictionary entry for "Deliberately".

 

[Thundercrack85]

You don't teach atheism. You're born without a religion.

I would ask them what part of it is child abuse.

 

[Shemtov]

You don't teach atheism. You're born without a religion.

Sorry, teaching evolution.

I would ask them what part of it is child abuse.

See, from our perspective teaching evolution is teaching your child falsehoods and miseducating them. By your criteria, that's child abuse.

 

[Thundercrack85]

How would you like it if a creationist said that teaching atheism is child abuse?

Also, are you saying that creationists don't believe what they say they beleive in? If not, better check the dictionary entry for "Deliberately".

That's actually an interesting question. I suppose it's possible. But many creationists deliberately tell falsehoods about evolution (and in some cases even slandering Charles Darwin for good measure).

So, I guess it could be argued how aware they are that they're wrong. A lot of them are certainly in denial.

But at the end of the day they are still miseducating their children, and they should know better. They just refuse to.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Sorry, teaching evolution.

See, from our perspective teaching evolution is teaching your child falsehoods and miseducating them. By your criteria, that's child abuse.

But that's the thing. It's science. It's not just what people believe. All of it is backed up by a pile of evidence, compiled by our species' greatest minds.

It's not just evolution either. It's a number of other sciences. Geology, physics, biology, the list goes on.

 

[Shemtov]

That's actually an interesting question. I suppose it's possible. But many creationists deliberately tell falsehoods about evolution (and in some cases even slandering Charles Darwin for good measure).

So, I guess it could be argued how aware they are that they're wrong. A lot of them are certainly in denial.

But at the end of the day they are still miseducating their children, and they should know better. They just refuse to.

A lot of creationists would say the same things about atheists, thus bringing out the point that you have no right to force your views on others if you don't want them forcing their views on you.

 

[KalMart]

So what?
Is that child abuse or something?
And if so, how?

It's the spread of misinformation, flasehood and intentional ignorance. It's humanity abuse.

And again...evolution is not a view...it's fact and history, just as much of physics and astrology is, or plate tectonics or the formation of galaxies. What's wrong is when people try to force it as a disproof of religion as a whole.

 

[Shemtov]

But that's the thing. It's science. It's not just what people believe. All of it is backed up by a pile of evidence, compiled by our species' greatest minds.

It's not just evolution either. It's a number of other sciences. Geology, physics, biology, the list goes on.

So what you're saying is that everyone should belong too the cult science, trusting totally what the experts say without questioning it at all?
Isn't that why a lot of atheists think that religion is evil?

 

[Lighthouse]

A lot of creationists would say the same things about atheists, thus bringing out the point that you have no right to force your views on others if you don't want them forcing their views on you.

So you would consider teaching any form of science "forcing" views on children.

 

[Lighthouse]

So what you're saying is that everyone should belong too the cult science, trusting totally what the experts say without questioning it at all?
Isn't that why a lot of atheists think that religion is evil?

You have got to be kidding me.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Evolution is not a view. It's reality.

Accept it, or don't. And if you don't I can give you a list of things you should stop bothering with (like anti-biotics, and various other medications).