Do you think Super Villains will take advantage of this Civil War?

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, I should've said there hasn't been a good Sinister Six story since the early '90s. That Senator Ward story sucked and everything about MK Spider-Man sucked.

 

[Harlekin]

If anybody should be taking advantage of this it should be a new Masters of Evil.

Exactly. This would be the perfect time for a Under Siege II. But different, of course.

 

[Darthphere]

Exactly. This would be the perfect time for a Under Siege II. But different, of course.

Without Steven Seagal.


Id be disappointed if villains didnt take advantage of this.

 

[Harlekin]

Without Steven Seagal.


Id be disappointed if villains didnt take advantage of this.

No. With Steven Seagal. Seriously, how cool would that be? Steven Seagal with the ponytail whip of death fighting his way through the Avengers Tower.

 

[Darthphere]

No. With Steven Seagal. Seriously, how cool would that be? Steven Seagal with the ponytail whip of death fighting his way through the Avengers Tower.

Better than ninjas.

 

[Purple Man]

Nothing is better than Ninjas.

With Ninjas you don't have to listen to Stevan Seagal.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Better than ninjas.

Given how the ninjas fared, he'd probably take the entire team down, too.

 

[The Overlord]

All right, I should've said there hasn't been a good Sinister Six story since the early '90s. That Senator Ward story sucked and everything about MK Spider-Man sucked.

I disagree I like MK Spider-Man series (though the Ward thing sucked) it was better than a lot of those 90s Sinister Six stories (Gog as a member, that's stupid.)

But a new Sinister Six story can't hurt.

 

[Dread]

I mentioned this in another CIVIL WAR topic, and I agree that this "registration act" and the fallout is a godsend to villians, at least right now. Firstly, you have heroes fighting each other; those that register taking on those who don't. A villian's nemesis is now too occupied to bother interfering with whatever scheme. Secondly, if a villian's heroic foe registers, it suddenly becomes a lot easier to figure out their personal information; you either need a sufficient "godly hacker" like a convient techno-mage villian (like Black Box) to pay to look into things, or pressuring, with either bribes or threats, some government stooge/bureaucrat into accessing those files. Villians have raided government stuff unmolested a million times before; why not now? Thirdly, if a villian't heroic foe suddenly becomes a "vigilante to be hunted down" because they won't register, that villian can actually side with the government, beat their enemy, and be REWARDED. Sound strange? Its not; historically, while Marvel's U.S. Government has sided against superheroes for the flimsiest of reasons if the story demands it, it has also been VERY accomodating to villians who promise to "side with them" to become agents, no matter what's on their rap sheet. Freedom Force, originally made up of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, crooks all, enjoyed "agent" status for a while. Folks such as Puppet Master, Sabretooth, and even Venom have been embraced by the government if they were willing to coorperate (and that same government is always surprised when they turn evil again), and the last two are bonafide murderers.

True, this "civil war" won't effect anti-hero vigilantes who never pretended to play by the sorts of rules that Spider-Man, F4 or the Avengers played, but there aren't too many of them. Ghost Rider's still in HELL, and the Punisher can only handle so many "supervillians"; heck, most villians who are capable of beating a class 30 bruiser or a high level energy manipulater should be more than a match for whatever Castle has (unless you go with "The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe"-level baloney, which is just as silly when Batman does it over at DC).

And for the record, lots of villians are overexposed on both sides. That doesn't make it right. Using the overexposure of Magneto, Luthor (UGH, how I am sick of Lex Luthor), Ock, etc. to justify someone else is not the best defense. But that's just my opinion. The problem is that either a villian gets forgotten, overexposed, or well, becomes a Thunderbolt these days.

WIZARD #176 claimed that the "villian equation" will be factored into the CIVIL WAR series, and I'll be looking for it.

 

[The Overlord]

And for the record, lots of villians are overexposed on both sides. That doesn't make it right. Using the overexposure of Magneto, Luthor (UGH, how I am sick of Lex Luthor), Ock, etc. to justify someone else is not the best defense. But that's just my opinion. The problem is that either a villian gets forgotten, overexposed, or well, becomes a Thunderbolt these days.

WIZARD #176 claimed that the "villian equation" will be factored into the CIVIL WAR series, and I'll be looking for it.

It doesn't have to be the same villains who take advanatage of this Civil war stituation that are overexposed. The Chameleon is said to be organizing a super villain group on the street level and someone like the Mad Thinker can organize villains on the international level.

 

[Dread]

It doesn't have to be the same villains who take advanatage of this Civil war stituation that are overexposed. The Chameleon is said to be organizing a super villain group on the street level and someone like the Mad Thinker can organize villains on the international level.

Very true. Count Nefaria is also still lurking about.

But like I said, barring any developments, the villians have a real oppurtunity here. Heck, going by how Marvel's government has usually reacted to villians who "have an offer", I'm sure they'd sign Carnage up as a federal agent if he returned and promised to deliver Capt. America to them. It would be interesting if something like that happened, and someone pointed out the hypocrisy. "Hey, I've saved the world ten times over and now I'm on the lam, but he's been robbing banks for years and now he's Mr. Wheaties just because he bends over backwards for the Feds?"

 

[SpideyInATree]

One of the things, besides what happens to Spider-Man, I'm looking forward to is how the villains are going to react to what's going on.

If you ask me this is quite a situation for villains and criminals to step up and take full advantage.

Hopefully Marvel doesn't drop the ball on this aspect of it. They've got TONS of kick ass villains to play with. Don't mess up.

Remember...if Gail Simone can make Catman kick ass...anything is possible.

 

[Dread]

One of the things, besides what happens to Spider-Man, I'm looking forward to is how the villains are going to react to what's going on.

If you ask me this is quite a situation for villains and criminals to step up and take full advantage.

Hopefully Marvel doesn't drop the ball on this aspect of it. They've got TONS of kick ass villains to play with. Don't mess up.

Remember...if Gail Simone can make Catman kick ass...anything is possible.

Very true. Although to be fair, it has been a while since a Marvel writer, in all seriousness, has dusted off a crusty C-Lister, devoted the talent and time, and gotten that character to move up a rank into B-Lister. They're giving Moon Knight a good try, although decompression is going to make that process slower than it could be. The last one I can think of is Purple Man and Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman I), and both of those were due to Bendis. Hate on him all you want, when he wants to amp someone, he can do a serviceable job.

Oh, and of course, all of the Thunderbolts. But they don't count, because they're not villians anymore. That remains my one quibble about the franchise; good villians are hard to come by, and non-arch villians who either want to take over the world or are overexposed are a dime a dozen. The more faces that show up in Thunderbolts, the fewer villians there are. Sure, there are more, but frankly the fans can be a bit too harsh to accept too many new villians or to accept a name they haven't heard of in 30 years. I mean, believe it or not, I had a great idea for a Matador II who could be very vicious (basically imagine Vega from SF2; bull fighter by day, vicious killer by night). Matador is a Z-List DD jobber. But if someone tried that to sell a cover, would it be well acceptted? No. Marvel has been #1 for years, so expectations are set very high, higher than DC, frankly (who has generations of crap to live down). Not too many of their creative/editorial team can manage that. The rest are too busy being clever to actually try giving the fans what they want, without B.S., and seeing what happens.

Still, something needs to be done about the villians. Marvel's too stuck on "realism" to have their villians do something "simple" like gather en mass and attack a city, but something should be done. A reorganization or something.

 

[Tokyo Vigilante #1]

I can see MU villains taking advantage of the current situation. However, I can't really see them doing it on one united front. Since the early days of the MU it has been established that villains have too much ego to work together regularly.

I see every villain from Rhino to Doc Ock going at the heroes, riot style. Sure they'll be some fractions and groups formed here and there, but not really too much organizing and more chaos, IMHO.

Norman.... friggin' Osborn... ARGH!

He hasn't shown up in what? A year and I'm STILL sick of the bastard!

Same here.

 

[The Overlord]

Very true. Although to be fair, it has been a while since a Marvel writer, in all seriousness, has dusted off a crusty C-Lister, devoted the talent and time, and gotten that character to move up a rank into B-Lister. They're giving Moon Knight a good try, although decompression is going to make that process slower than it could be. The last one I can think of is Purple Man and Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman I), and both of those were due to Bendis. Hate on him all you want, when he wants to amp someone, he can do a serviceable job.

Oh, and of course, all of the Thunderbolts. But they don't count, because they're not villians anymore. That remains my one quibble about the franchise; good villians are hard to come by, and non-arch villians who either want to take over the world or are overexposed are a dime a dozen. The more faces that show up in Thunderbolts, the fewer villians there are. Sure, there are more, but frankly the fans can be a bit too harsh to accept too many new villians or to accept a name they haven't heard of in 30 years. I mean, believe it or not, I had a great idea for a Matador II who could be very vicious (basically imagine Vega from SF2; bull fighter by day, vicious killer by night). Matador is a Z-List DD jobber. But if someone tried that to sell a cover, would it be well acceptted? No. Marvel has been #1 for years, so expectations are set very high, higher than DC, frankly (who has generations of crap to live down). Not too many of their creative/editorial team can manage that. The rest are too busy being clever to actually try giving the fans what they want, without B.S., and seeing what happens.

Still, something needs to be done about the villians. Marvel's too stuck on "realism" to have their villians do something "simple" like gather en mass and attack a city, but something should be done. A reorganization or something.

To be fair I think the Thunderbolts are a great idea, a lot of the ex villains members there never really had a whole lot of prospects as villains and never had a good motive for their criminal behavior. Take ther Beetle for example, he has engineering skills to build that suit of armour and all he did was steal things. How many times can Beetle get beaten up by spidey, threatened by other villains and go to jail before eventually he realizes its not working out, why is why him becomming a hero makes sense.

To be a really good villain you need motive beyond mere money, because usually with any sort of power or technology you can make money liegitimately and it would be far easier. Some villains are stupid to realize that (Electro, Rhino, etc) and it makes sense for them to be villains because they just aren't that bright, some villains are just insane and money is secondary to causing people pain (Joker, Bullseye), some villains are motivated by tragic circumstances and could have been heroes otherwise (Doom, Magneto, Mr. Freeze) and some villains are criminals because they find it thrilling (most Flash rogues). Really money only works as motive if a your sucessful crime boss like the Kingpin, who makes a ton of money working in his office all day and has minions to deal with heroes, so they are never exposed to any real risks.

Now back to the subject on I don't see an organization as big as the society in DCU taking advantage of Civil War, but I can see a bunch of different factions taken advantage of the cvil war at once. Someone like Chameleon can organize some street level villains, while Mad Thinker or Count Nefaria can organize a international level group of villains.