Do you think the sequel´s tone will be different?

[Duneboy]

The 1st one could've been way better. Hopefully from what the trailer shows, this'll make more than up for the 1st film. Hopefully.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I hate to say it, but the actors in Fantastic Four simply can't act. People ask why did they made Alba strip down to her bra/panties--because that's what she's good at (that's all that is expected of her), she's not known for her acting, but how hot she is. Even upon viewing the trailer, look at Reed and Johnny interaction (during the TUX moment) how goofy-faced their acting is just before he goes after the Surfer. I hope they don't act like that throughout the film when concerning the Surfer and Galactus.

I wouldn´t go as far as to say they can´t act, but i will say that are horrible for the parts they are playing.
They were in the 1st, and i´m sure they will in this one....with the exception of Evans, that guy really surprised me.

Here's why:

To me, it's impossible to have a movie with Silver Surfer and Galactus and not have serious/dramatic scenes. These characters are more powerful and more threatening than any Batman, Spider-Man, Superman or X-Men villains will ever be. It has to be taking serious or it will fail as a story. The goofier the actors are, the less threatening/dangerous the villains (Surfer/Galactus) will appear to be. FF are characters that are up against beings, that are about to kill every living thing on Earth, it can't be taking lightly. It can't be a popcorn, fun, light-hearted film you all are glamouring for during those scenes.

Thank you.
I´ve been saying this since day one, you can´t take lightly a movie that dwells on the End of the World.
But, then i´m looked as a troll....

 

[GhostPoet]

I hope the movie doesn't get much darker. The comic was almost never dark, even during the epic struggles. It's always been a light hearted series.

 

[HoratioRome]

I think there can also be confusion by what people mean when they say a "darker tone". this could mean many things to many people.

we should clarify a bit what each of us mean when we answer the question.

to me, a "darker tone" would be to take it the route of the crow for example. where the cinematography is literaly dark, the story is somber, and the subject matter as well as the acting is "dark" and depressing. Batman Begins is another example of a somewhat "dark" movie.

By this meaning let me say that the FF cannot, and must not be "dark". The FF are NOT nor have they EVER been "dark". to make them so is to ensure their failure.

however, I think that sometimes, when people say "dark" they mean serious. by which I mean that the acting tries to invoke real human emotions (even during fantastic moments), the story tries to be mature, sophisticated, and "real", even when the subject is fantastic. it tries to introduce a real element of danger with serious consequences for those involved. Spider-man did a terrific job of this. So has almost every great action movie. all action movies have fantastic and impossible scenarios. the good ones are the ones who make the unbelievable, believable.
They do this by treating the premise, however crazy it may be, with respect. Make Bruce Willis bleed and struggle in die hard, don't have him fall off the building and just walk away.
don't insult the audience's intelligence with blatant errors and mistakes. (like having a single man lift a continent/island). avoid by all means campiness. including campy plots and "campy" acting.

In that regard, I say THE FANTASTIC FOUR MUST be serious. It MUST not be some comedy, and the focus of it should not be the jokes, or the cute/stupid (let's take off our clothes so we could see how hot Alba is) moments. Should there be humor? yes, but that humor must be in contrast to some really serious **** going on.

Failure to make the FF serious is to ensure that it will not work. at least not as well as it could or should.

I have seen way too little to make any serious judgement as to how serious the FF movie will be. I've seen both good and bad.

The good- is that first and foremost, the Silver Surfer looks, moves, and so far acts as he should. fantastic job on that.

the Bad- the little acting we've seen so far strikes me as campy and light. and there were some technical (albeait not grave) mistakes in even this very short clip. for example did the SS stop inside the building? he would have had to in order for HT to circle to the front of the building in time to watch SS come out from inside the building when he was so far behind him.

Human torch was behind the SS. SS travelled the shorter distance (straight line through the building) while Torch went in a semy circle, yet still ended up ahead of SS.
SS would have had to stop inside the building, which makes very little sense.

 

[terry78]

^Points are well taken, but their books have always been the ones that had the most comedic moments, even moreso than Spider-Man and his sarcastic quips. The Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head sequence in the sequel was an example of sheer goofiness in an otherwise moody film.

 

[HoratioRome]

it's interesting but I really don't know where the idea that the FF is a comedy comes from.
I'm sorry but I've read almost every FF comic, and almost every Spider-man comic and I have to disagree. The FF were not anymore comedic or goofy than SM/.
quite the contrary in fact.
Now please don't get me wrong. Did the comics have many moments which made me laugh out loud? Yes it did.
Ben Grimm is hilarious at times.
but no more than Spider-man was (you may of course find one funnier than the other because of your taste but they bith offered equal parts humor).

the thing is though that it wasn't about the humor. The Humor in the FF would come in times of great peril, and some very serious, dangerous, and sometimes even sad story lines.

The FF is not by ajny means a "funny" book. You can find just as many moments of sadness or dread, or anger as you can humor.

There was nothing funny about Some of Reed and Ben's fights. Nothing funny about Torch's love stories, from Crystal to Frankie ray, to all his other loves.

I just don't get this notion that the FF was a comedy superhero team.

 

[Visionary]

^Points are well taken, but their books have always been the ones that had the most comedic moments, even moreso than Spider-Man and his sarcastic quips. The Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head sequence in the sequel was an example of sheer goofiness in an otherwise moody film.

You seem to miss the point, you would never see the raindrop song scene, while Doc Ock is throwing people from the train. You can have humor in a film (that's part of life too), but when something serious is going down, it isn't going to work. This is why ARMAGEDDON and ID4 are crap, because the directors didn't know when to take serious moments seriously. In FF it was constant humor, pretty much no matter what was going on. This can't happen during what should be a serious scene with the Surfer/Galactus, nothing of what they do...or should I say come for is funny.

I wouldn´t go as far as to say they can´t act, but i will say that are horrible for the parts they are playing.
They were in the 1st, and i´m sure they will in this one....with the exception of Evans, that guy really surprised me.

Yeah, horrible for the parts they're playing, that's not their looks, but their acting for me. While you all are jumping up and down after seeing the pretty shiny trailer. I'm thinking about Reed Richards on the toilet reaching for toilet paper, and Sue's clothes coming off during a dangerous rescue scene from the first film. That's why I want a real trailer a la Ghost Rider/Spidey 3. I want to see interactions between Silver Surfer/FF/Dr. Doom/Galactus, in other words...the acting...because that to me is how you really sell Silver Surfer/Galactus.

 

[ultimatefan]

No, i do not believe for a second that this one will any more serious than the first one was.
First of all, Tim Story can not do a serious movie, so, if it tries, i do believe that it will fail even more than the first one.
Second, there are the fans of the first one that are expecting more of the same, then there are the kids, which were the main target of the 1st movie.

No, i don´t think it will be any more serious, and that´s why, IMO, it will fail, just the first one.
Sure, i haven´t seen it, so, i might be wrong about it, but don´t bet on it...
And, for the record, i don´t hate the 1st movie, it´s way better than Blade: Trinity, The Punisher and Elektra, and it´s a fun light popcorn movie...but, that is exactly the problem, the all "fun light popcorn movie".

It´s not unheard of that the same director tries a somewhat different tone in a sequel for the same franchise. Spider-Man 3 clearly looks like a darker film than the previous two. Burton clearly didn´t approach Returns the exact same way he did with Batman 89. Even X2 has some notable differences from one (faster pace, more action, more characters and subplots, etc.)

 

[ultimatefan]

You seem to miss the point, you would never see the raindrop song scene, while Doc Ock is throwing people from the train. You can have humor in a film (that's part of life too), but when something serious is going down, it isn't going to work. This is why ARMAGEDDON and ID4 are crap, because the directors didn't know when to take serious moments seriously. In FF it was constant humor, pretty much no matter what was going on. This can't happen during what should be a serious scene with the Surfer/Galactus, nothing of what they do...or should I say come for is funny.

Yeah, horrible for the parts they're playing, that's not their looks, but their acting for me. While you all are jumping up and down after seeing the pretty shiny trailer. I'm thinking about Reed Richards on the toilet reaching for toilet paper, and Sue's clothes coming off during a dangerous rescue scene from the first film. That's why I want a real trailer a la Ghost Rider/Spidey 3. I want to see interactions between Silver Surfer/FF/Dr. Doom/Galactus, in other words...the acting...because that to me is how you really sell Silver Surfer/Galactus.

I couldn´t have said it better myself. The problem with FF was not that it had a lot of humor or that it was in general lighthearted, problem is that it feels forced, they try to make everything funny and light, even what´s not supposed to be. When The Thing realizes what he has become, it´s a tragic moment. A man has just realized he was turned into a hideous monster. Yet even that is constantly played for jokes (the pigeon dropping, the "surprise" comment, etc.)

 

[Secret_Riddle]

There was no change in tone between Spider-Man and Spider-Man II, just like there wasn´t between X-Men and X-Men2.
The diference that existed between those movies was of story, not of tone.

Contrary of what many people believe, not many movies change tone, they only do when they change directors.

I meant they were darker then the originals. Perhaps tone was the wrong word to be used in the thread.

 

[Visionary]

I couldn´t have said it better myself. The problem with FF was not that it had a lot of humor or that it was in general lighthearted, problem is that it feels forced, they try to make everything funny and light, even what´s not supposed to be. When The Thing realizes what he has become, it´s a tragic moment. A man has just realized he was turned into a hideous monster. Yet even that is constantly played for jokes (the pigeon dropping, the "surprise" comment, etc.)

Exactly, not to mention Torch making fun of The Thing's ears, when that should have been a serious friend to friend interaction, the guy's flesh is made of rocks...I mean damn.

 

[SeverianB]

Johnny and Ben's interaction was perfect in the first movie, I thought. I though Sue should have slapped her little brother into line a little sooner, but It was handled well for the most part.

I liked the light humor in the first movie. It all worked for me and the people I watched it with. Such a departure from the other superhero movies lately. That's a good thing, IMHO.

That said, making Dr. Doom much more of a bad-ass, and giving the movie a more "epic" feel will fix any issues the first one had for me.

Just wanted to put my vote in as someone who was HAPPY with the tone of the first one. Reading this thread, you would think most folks didn't like it. That's obviously not true.

 

[Visionary]

There was good Ben and Johnny comedy moments, but still, there is a time when they have to be serious, depending on the situation.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Too many fanboy geeks are into the whole brooding thing for their comic movies, which seems to have spilled over into FF, mostly because they hated Story from the day he was announced as director. The comments over at AICN are already negative, even though the trailer looks damn good. He looks too CGI....how the **** is he supposed to look?

Yeah I know who's a silfer guy suppose to look real without CGI?

 

[Vartha]

I'm hoping that the humor between Ben and Johnny will continue, but, that's all the humor I'd like to see.
With Surfer around and the threat of Galactus at the end I hope this film is alittle more serious.