The Dark Knight Do you wish to hear Elfman's Batman Theme in the sequel?

[Two-Face]

IF Nolan does it I will be happy but again no I don't want it to happen, like everyone said this is new franchise new Batman etc...

 

[Katsuro]

wow, an overwhelming number of you guys voted no. i thought you're all Batfans?

i'm not saying Zimmer/ Newton-Howard adapt a whole track from Elfman, heck no. as i said earlier i'm not looking for an Ottman-Williams type of adaptation (which was essentially the whole Superman March). that's too much. all i'm hoping for is a few memorable notes of Elfman's Batman Theme or maybe The Finale be weaved into the soundtrack for the BB sequel, but 98% of the tracks still has to be distinctively Zimmer/ Howard.

come on i bet most peope here can hum those 5-6 notes of that classic Batman Theme. only that, and weave it into whichever track that would be most appropriate. like The Shape they can make it slower, darker to fit the style of this current franchise. it can work guys.

Still. These are different franchises, and a similar theme would only serve to connect them. If you're gonna do that, you may as well put "na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!" in there too.

 

[lujho]

I would actualy prefer Walker's theme to be incorporated as a major theme, if not the major theme, of the films.

You know, you can actually hum Walker's theme over the Zimmer/Howard main theme? You could actually combine those two bits of music so that Walker's theme would be in the style of the Zimmer/Howard score. Once introduced it could be used in various styles (leitmotif).

I'd love a nod to Elfman's theme once or twice though - just the slow version of the fanfare - those 5 classic notes - rather than the full rousing march.

I'm quite disappointed the Superman Returns doesn't feature (that I know of - it's not on the soundtrack) the Fleischer/Radio Show theme (they both had the same theme) as Singer mentioned in an interview once. He never said they'd do it for sure but he definitly discussed the idea. Or the Reeves theme either. I think it'd have been nice that when Superman was doing something particularly Fleischery or Reeves-y you could hear those themes for a few seconds.

Same could be done with Batman.

 

[Steelsheen]

i see. so you guys (the ones who voted no) treats this and the Burton films as separate versions of the franchise?

for me, good or bad, these films are all part of the Batman institution, so i dont mind one version borrowing some concepts from other versions, specially if they've proven to be classics. the Batman elipse is now a classic, it doesnt belong to the one guy who drew it on, it belongs now to the whole franchise. to me that's how i regard Elfman's Batman theme, it has transcended beyond its association with the Burton's franchise and is now simply THE Batman Theme.

 

[Steelsheen]

Still. These are different franchises, and a similar theme would only serve to connect them. If you're gonna do that, you may as well put "na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!" in there too.

no that theme is nostalgic, not classic

 

[Steelsheen]

I would actualy prefer Walker's theme to be incorporated as a major theme, if not the major theme, of the films.

You know, you can actually hum Walker's theme over the Zimmer/Howard main theme? You could actually combine those two bits of music so that Walker's theme would be in the style of the Zimmer/Howard score. Once introduced it could be used in various styles (leitmotif).

I'd love a nod to Elfman's theme once or twice though - just the slow version of the fanfare - those 5 classic notes - rather than the full rousing march.

there! exactly what i mean

 

[mcflytrap]

It would actually be pretty cool if they could subtly throw that in their somewhere, not necessarily as any part of the theme, but maybe he's walking through the street and really quietly we hear the Elfman theme playing on a radio nearby or something, I think that would just be funny.

And then about 10,000,000 more people hear the theme and are instantly convinced that its a prequel/remake.

 

[mcflytrap]

wow, an overwhelming number of you guys voted no. i thought you're all Batfans?

i'm not saying Zimmer/ Newton-Howard adapt a whole track from Elfman, heck no. as i said earlier i'm not looking for an Ottman-Williams type of adaptation (which was essentially the whole Superman March). that's too much. all i'm hoping for is a few memorable notes of Elfman's Batman Theme or maybe The Finale be weaved into the soundtrack for the BB sequel, but 98% of the tracks still has to be distinctively Zimmer/ Howard.

come on i bet most peope here can hum those 5-6 notes of that classic Batman Theme. only that, and weave it into whichever track that would be most appropriate. like The Shape they can make it slower, darker to fit the style of this current franchise. it can work guys.

This is never going to happen as surely as Christopher Reeve will never play Superman again. Sorry for the analogy but it's the first thing that came to mind.

 

[BATFREDDIE]

honestly the zimmer/howard soundtrack was freaking amazing, i was sure before i saw the movie that it was gonna be pale in comparrison to the elfman score but it surpassed it IMO.

 

[The Shape]

I'd love a nod to Elfman's theme once or twice though - just the slow version of the fanfare - those 5 classic notes - rather than the full rousing march.

that's what i mean. instead of those few big notes that the Zimmer score has, incorporate the Elfman notes. not the whole march, that would be just silly. i would've loved to have heard a little Elfman in BB, but nothing over the top.

but like i said, too late now.

 

[Steelsheen]

there is always hope

 

[Scandalous]

i see. so you guys (the ones who voted no) treats this and the Burton films as separate versions of the franchise?

for me, good or bad, these films are all part of the Batman institution, so i dont mind one version borrowing some concepts from other versions, specially if they've proven to be classics. the Batman elipse is now a classic, it doesnt belong to the one guy who drew it on, it belongs now to the whole franchise. to me that's how i regard Elfman's Batman theme, it has transcended beyond its association with the Burton's franchise and is now simply THE Batman Theme.

But that's not how the filmmakers (nor the fans, if this thread is any accurate representation) regard it. Different cast. Different setting. Different origin. Different style. And already one successful movie with a different score.

Where is the logic in this? If you like Elfman's score that much, you can just pop a DVD in.

I like the Elfman theme too...in the film for which it was originally meant. Superman is different; Bryan Singer approached the film as a "spiritual successor" (in his words) to the Donner films. Nolan went as far from the Burton films as he possibly could. Just as he should have.

That train's already left the station.

 

[El Payaso]

No.

Elfman was great but this nolan bat-movies have so far its own style about things, like music and Begins had a great score so why Elfman again?

 

[batlovescatDC]

The only thing that I have a complaint about in this... it is not that the Danny Elfman wasn't used... but that it did not a create NEW defined theme for Batman. It was almost scored like a typical action movie would be, and that sincerely disappoints me. Having the two composers on the same film was a unique idea, but I think perhaps that it wasn't exactly the right call to make. I have heard some of Hans Zimmer's solo works, as well as some of James Newton Howard's, and I have come to the conclusion that Zimmer should be dropped and Howard kept on. James Newton Howard has composed some incredible scores and awesome themes. I realize this series is NEVER gonna be scored like the previous Batman franchise, and I like/appreciate the fact that EVERYTHING is going to be BRAND NEW... not just polished. But we, the fans, have waited for a definitive Batman franchise, which we have finally gotten, but it needs to come along with a great theme. That's all.

"Life's a *****... now, so am I!"

 

[xwolverine2]

WHAT!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!

batman begins should have gotten an oscar for their score!......

they will keep hanz and newton

 

[Doc Holliday]

They made a definitive theme, it just wasn't used very much in the movie.

It's "hummable" and all. Maybe they'll use it more in BB2.

 

[xwolverine2]

They made a definitive theme, it just wasn't used very much in the movie.

It's "hummable" and all. Maybe they'll use it more in BB2.

they played it enough for me to remember it......

batman forever however(hey that rhyms) played it during EVERY action scene and i got tired of it

 

[mcflytrap]

The only thing that I have a complaint about in this... it is not that the Danny Elfman wasn't used... but that it did not a create NEW defined theme for Batman. It was almost scored like a typical action movie would be, and that sincerely disappoints me. Having the two composers on the same film was a unique idea, but I think perhaps that it wasn't exactly the right call to make. I have heard some of Hans Zimmer's solo works, as well as some of James Newton Howard's, and I have come to the conclusion that Zimmer should be dropped and Howard kept on. James Newton Howard has composed some incredible scores and awesome themes. I realize this series is NEVER gonna be scored like the previous Batman franchise, and I like/appreciate the fact that EVERYTHING is going to be BRAND NEW... not just polished. But we, the fans, have waited for a definitive Batman franchise, which we have finally gotten, but it needs to come along with a great theme. That's all.

"Life's a *****... now, so am I!"

BB wasn't scored at all like a typical action movie. You really should take a real listen and open your mind a bit. Just because there's no over-the-top theme doesn't mean it's just like every other movie. That's an extremely ignorant thing to say.

 

[xwolverine2]

am i the only one here who likes this score alot?.....better than the original danny elfman one?....

 

[Shoemeister]

Personally, I think the Elfman score is a classic. I'm sure the majority of the fans agree. Dark, triumphant and very memorable.

However, the score for Batman Begins is BEAUTIFUL. Honestly, it should have won every film music award in the book. It characterized every possible aspect of Batman's psyche in quite a broad yet nuanced fashion. I listen to that score a ton. Overall, I favor it more than Elfman's.

This franchise has a theme, it's there, but not obnoxiously or blatantly rubbed in your face. Sure, the blazing horns, cranked up strings and thunderous percussion are all there at times, but like Batman himself, the score is somewhat subdued in nature--- as though it's lurking in the shadows. It's doesn't need to announce itself, you just know it's there.

I look forward to hearing MUCH more in the sequels from Newton-Howard and Zimmer both. Remarkable stuff!

 

[mcflytrap]

am i the only one here who likes this score alot?.....better than the original danny elfman one?....

Nope. I prefer the BB one to anything Elfman has done. It's one of my favorite soundtracks.

 

[Borat]

Personally, I think the Elfman score is a classic. I'm sure the majority of the fans agree. Dark, triumphant and very memorable.

However, the score for Batman Begins is BEAUTIFUL. Honestly, it should have won every film music award in the book. It characterized every possible aspect of Batman's psyche in quite a broad yet nuanced fashion. I listen to that score a ton. Overall, I favor it more than Elfman's.

This franchise has a theme, it's there, but not obnoxiously or blatantly rubbed in your face. Sure, the blazing horns, cranked up strings and thunderous percussion are all there at times, but like Batman himself, the score is somewhat subdued in nature--- as though it's lurking in the shadows. It's doesn't need to announce itself, you just know it's there.

I look forward to hearing MUCH more in the sequels from Newton-Howard and Zimmer both. Remarkable stuff!

Very well put man.

 

[xwolverine2]

Nope. I prefer the BB one to anything Elfman has done. It's one of my favorite soundtracks.

thank you..

though i dont know about elfmans OTHER movies

 

[Saint]

The Begins score was fantastic. I particularly enjoyed how is was comprised of several themes that were bound by a unified tone. If Zimmer and JNH do not return, I will be extremely dissapointed. However, I would be acceptable--though unfortunate--if only JNH returned. Newton-Howard is my favourite composer.

 

[Savior]

I loved it. So much so that I dLed the entire score.