Transformers Does anyone else feel the way I do?

[Drizzle]

Okay, first off, I loved this movie. Probably one of my favorites that I've seen this year. However, I still think Michael Bay is a colossal *****ebag. He just seems like a sleazy kind of guy, the type of director who only hires actresses so he can sleep with them, a major coke-head. Not to mention he still can't pronounce Scorponok's name right (as seen in the DVD features). I find it so weird to love a movie so much, but hate its director. Does anyone else feel this way?

 

[Bumblebee1983]

Okay, first off, I loved this movie. Probably one of my favorites that I've seen this year. However, I still think Michael Bay is a colossal *****ebag. He just seems like a sleazy kind of guy, the type of director who only hires actresses so he can sleep with them, a major coke-head. Not to mention he still can't pronounce Scorponok's name right (as seen in the DVD features). I find it so weird to love a movie so much, but hate its director. Does anyone else feel this way?

I sorta, kinda feel the same way.

Bay is the guy to direct this franchise because he knows how to blow up things and all...but as for story-wise....meh. There could be better, which is why I enjoy Spielberg being on the team.

I didn't like Pearl Harbor....liked Armaggeddon....liked the Rock....didn't much care for the Island...ahh, what else has he done? (Brain freeze).

However, he did a great job on this movie.

 

[dark_b]

well thanks to bay TF made tons of money so this means that the budget will be higher which means more tranformers dialoge,more action and a bigger movie.

i agree with you guys but we will get a sequel with more action and more TF's.

 

[Superman45]

Why do people hate Bay so much. He hasn't done anything bad. He blows stuff up and points the camera at the sun a lot but hes not a bad director.

I wonder if Bay did a movie that wasn't action packed would people change their tune about him.

I understand how people think of him as being a guy that says. "Lets blow it up because guys and hollywood love stuff that blow up." So everyone thinks he doesn't care about story or whatev.

The island was good. We all complain about no idea being original. One comes along and we hate it. Not to say we should love every original idea.
But the Island wasn't to outa the box was it. Bay cared about the story.

I think Brett Ratner is more of a hack than Bay.

Why all the Bay haten

 

[Bumblebee1983]

Why do people hate Bay so much. He hasn't done anything bad. He blows stuff up and points the camera at the sun a lot but hes not a bad director.

I wonder if Bay did a movie that wasn't action packed would people change their tune about him.

I understand how people think of him as being a guy that says. "Lets blow it up because guys and hollywood love stuff that blow up." So everyone thinks he doesn't care about story or whatev.

The island was good. We all complain about no idea being original. One comes along and we hate it. Not to say we should love every original idea.
But the Island wasn't to outa the box was it. Bay cared about the story.

I think Brett Ratner is more of a hack than Bay.

Whay all the Bay haten

I totally agree with the Brett Ratner comment.

 

[dark_b]

Why do people hate Bay so much. He hasn't done anything bad. He blows stuff up and points the camera at the sun a lot but hes not a bad director.

I wonder if Bay did a movie that wasn't action packed would people change their tune about him.

I understand how people think of him as being a guy that says. "Lets blow it up because guys and hollywood love stuff that blow up." So everyone thinks he doesn't care about story or whatev.

The island was good. We all complain about no idea being original. One comes along and we hate it. Not to say we should love every original idea.
But the Island wasn't to outa the box was it. Bay cared about the story.

I think Brett Ratner is more of a hack than Bay.

Why all the Bay haten

i think you answered your questions. they dont like him because he only blows up. we get it that he likes action. but hes movies have zero acting.
i dont have a problem with that. but i feel sorry for a TF fan.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

I like Michael Bay myself; he seems like a regular guy, and the comment about him hiring actressess to sleep with is something stupid to say fyi.

Bad Boys was good, Armageddon was a great movie, even The Rock was semi-good(not a Nicholas Cage fan though, haha).

All I know is that, he might not be engulfed with Transformers knowledge, but he made a great movie about the big 'bots, and because of him, the budget for the next installments will be huge and I expect a lot of battles, explosions and what not.

Plus, if Spielberg hired him as a director, that means something, don't ya think?

 

[Jack_Sparrow789]

Okay, first off, I loved this movie. Probably one of my favorites that I've seen this year. However, I still think Michael Bay is a colossal *****ebag. He just seems like a sleazy kind of guy, the type of director who only hires actresses so he can sleep with them, a major coke-head. Not to mention he still can't pronounce Scorponok's name right (as seen in the DVD features). I find it so weird to love a movie so much, but hate its director. Does anyone else feel this way?

While you are exaggerating it a bit, Bay is kinda of arrogant alot fo times. The thing is he's recieved alot of criticism, but he's extremely successful in the box office. Most of his movies have made their budget back twice over. In fact, if you look on a website called The Numbers, which lists basically every single box office recod, almost all his most recent stuff is listed as some kind of record holder. This results in him being able to back up his claims by basically saying that even if critics don't like him, audiences enjoy his films, which basically kind of shuts them up alot of times. Basically, he's takign the "I could care less what you think abotu my movies because more people like tham than don't and I just want to make movies for the love of film" argument to an arrogant extreme. I'm not sure he hires actresses to sleep with them, I've atually never heard anything like that. Unless of coure you're referring to Scarlett Johanssen, in which case she only got the part in The Island because she blew him and the casting directors, but that seems to be her main talent anyways.

 

[LostSon88]

I gots no problem with him.

I loved The Rock--though that probably has much to do with the fact that i'm from San Francisco.

Bad Boys, is okay...I mean, when its on cable, i'll watch.

The Island, was boring.

Transformers...loved it, favorite of the summer.

But on the level, I have no problem with him.

So no...I don't feel the way you do.

Sorry.

 

[Drizzle]

I like Michael Bay myself; he seems like a regular guy, and the comment about him hiring actressess to sleep with is something stupid to say fyi.

I never said he actually did that, only that he seems like the type of guy who'd do that. He just doesn't seem like a serious director. Also, there are numerous claims that he's difficult to deal with on set. I don't necessarily hate his work as much as I hate his attitude.

 

[Jack_Sparrow789]

I never said he actually did that, only that he seems like the type of guy who'd do that. He just doesn't seem like a serious director. Also, there are numerous claims that he's difficult to deal with on set. I don't necessarily hate his work as much as I hate his attitude.

Peter Cullen said the opposite. Said Bay had alot of great energy and a genuine love for film. I respect that, even if I don't particularily like msot of his films outside Transformers and The Rock.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

^^^ Shoot, if Peter Cullen says it, then Michael Bay is one of my fav. directors then.

I need someone to take the empty spot that Sam Raimi was in anyways, lol.

 

[Bumblebee1983]

Peter Cullen said the opposite. Said Bay had alot of great energy and a genuine love for film. I respect that, even if I don't particularily like msot of his films outside Transformers and The Rock.

Wow....I now have better respect, albeit a little better, for Bay now.

 

[Avangarde]

*looks for CFlash*

 

[shigsy2003]

The only Bay film I Iike is Transformers but I have no personal dislike of the director.

 

[KenK]

He's good for what he does, what's wrong with that? If he doesn't want to make some dramatic film or whatever, why should he? Do we have a shortage of those type of films that Bay should be forced to branch into other genres if he doesn't want to? And you never know, one day he might just do a 40 mill-budgeted romantic comedy, or a murder mystery. Who knows?

 

[Sugarculted]

Pfft, nonsense. Bay is s***. Why couldn't we get some director who actually admired the concept of Transformers?

Instead, we got a man who first commented that he wouldn't do a film about 'toys', then he proceeds to ruin it for me when he does get onto the project.

 

[Ventura]

Pfft, nonsense. Bay is s***. Why couldn't we get some director who actually admired the concept of Transformers?

I mention Transformers to older folk who haven't seen it, and they're still reluctant to do so because they think it's gonna be a kids movie.

Bay was hardly the only one not "admiring the concept of Transformers".

Instead, we got a man who first commented that he wouldn't do a film about 'toys', then he proceeds to ruin it for me when he does get onto the project.

Given that Transformers just eclipsed the $700 million mark at the box office, and the dvds are going to sell like hotcakes, I think it's fair to say the movie's a success.

Like him or not, and like Transformers or not, it's like KenK said. He's good at what he does. And for one, I'm happy to see him keep doing what it is he does so well.

 

[November Rain]

I quite like bay sometimes,

Or at least have some respect for him...

when all the bashing started when info was leaked, he kept his cool and kept to his guns. He didn't buckle under the pressure of everyone telling him stuff

and in the end results, a lot of the same people who bashed earlier are praising him now.

To be fair, he put out a much better movie than spidey 3 and fantastic four with less money and those special effects were far superior.

He took off prime's face mask and made it work

He didn't make megatron have an alt form and made it work

He didn't give bumblee a proper voice and that worked

He gave optimus prime the worst paint job ever and made that work.

the only thing he did do slightly wrong was emphasise on too much of the human quarter but that's not the world's biggest crime considering he's pretty much set up the second part to be as robot orientated as he desires. That and killing jazz without him doing something pretty cool. I hope he brings him back.

This film could have been absolutel TERRIBLE but it was very very good...

 

[KenK]

To be fair, he put out a much better movie than spidey 3 and fantastic four with less money and those special effects were far superior.

This is very true. I mean, this is easily the best thing ILM has done since Jurassic Park, and I'd say on some levels even surpasses their work on that film.

He took off prime's face mask and made it work

Definitely. Looking at the film now, I can't imagine the face mask being up the whole time. And the effects people put a lot of thought into how to make that work and not have it look silly.

He didn't make megatron have an alt form and made it work

I thought it was great just from a narrative standpoint. The whole film, we have these beings that are disguised as earth vehicles the whole time, and when you get to the big bad, he's not even bothering with an alt form, because he's too focused on his goal to care. It made him that much more menacing. A lot more so than him transforming into a gun that someone else would have to shoot!!

He didn't give bumblee a proper voice and that worked

Oh, this was the big thing, 'cause a lot of fans were pissed at the idea, but seeing it in practice changed a lot of people's minds. They had to rely a lot more on body language, and you had these great moments of Bumblebee being this cute, exuberant character, but still fiercely loyal and protective, and you're definitely reminded of the bond between him and Spike from the cartoon. I loved when Optimus introduces him, and he's shadowboxing! Bumblebee's always been like the little brother of the Autobots, always out to prove he can roll with his older siblings, and it comes off so well in the movie. You forget that he doesn't have an actual voice. The downside of couse was, once they decided to give him a voice, it was kind of weak. Certainly didn't have the emotion or humanity of the others.

He gave optimus prime the worst paint job ever and made that work.

Well, they did try to explain it, and I suppose it makes sense, as red is apparently a tough color to film depending on the circumstances, and this point was actually brought up again when I was watching specail features from the Nightmare on Elm Street DVD. So in addition to Bay just thinking it was a cool look, there was a practical justification for the flames when it came to Prime's transformation.

the only thing he did do slightly wrong was emphasise on too much of the human quarter but that's not the world's biggest crime considering he's pretty much set up the second part to be as robot orientated as he desires.

I would have preferred they merged Rachel Taylor and Anthony Anderson's characters, 'cause that could have cut at least fifteen minutes of exposition from the film.

That and killing jazz without him doing something pretty cool. I hope he brings him back.

Yeah, it would have been nice if they had just built up to it more, and had the autobots be a little more reactionary when it happened. Have Ironhide scream out "NOOOO!!!" or something, and just start shooting off his cannons at Megatron. I did like the dialogue exchange between Megatron and Jazz, though:

"You wanna piece of me?!?"

"No, I want two!!"

 

[Sugarculted]

I mention Transformers to older folk who haven't seen it, and they're still reluctant to do so because they think it's gonna be a kids movie.

Bay was hardly the only one not "admiring the concept of Transformers".

Given that Transformers just eclipsed the $700 million mark at the box office, and the dvds are going to sell like hotcakes, I think it's fair to say the movie's a success.

Like him or not, and like Transformers or not, it's like KenK said. He's good at what he does. And for one, I'm happy to see him keep doing what it is he does so well.

Good at what he does? Ugh. Yes, the movie made money...and you could relate that to being a successful film. But, a successful Transformers film?

No, not in my eyes.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Who said he doesn't care about acting? Ed Harris was ****ing awesome in 'The Rock'.

 

[Marvin]

Okay, first off, I loved this movie. Probably one of my favorites that I've seen this year. However, I still think Michael Bay is a colossal *****ebag. He just seems like a sleazy kind of guy, the type of director who only hires actresses so he can sleep with them, a major coke-head. Not to mention he still can't pronounce Scorponok's name right (as seen in the DVD features). I find it so weird to love a movie so much, but hate its director. Does anyone else feel this way?

pretty much sums up the hidden personal agenda of most reviewers that give him films a bad rap...

funny how rotten a tomato it got yet it was the summer movie of the summer!


a few things need be said here

one
what is it he does so bad?
acting, and drama and pacing and all that...

when u watch a comedy...what are u looking for?

ask yourself, did u give Superbad a good review? Did u refer it to your friends? did it get great reviews and a fresh tomato?
NOW
ask yourself did it have classically good acting? Strong well directed Drama? or Pacing?

i'll answer that for you, NO it infact didn't, it was a great comedy

so why o why can't Bay make the best damn Action movie out and be applauded for it?

Two

What is it a Director does exactly? especially on a big summer film that's heavily produced and budgeted?

I'll tell you what...He doesn't write the story....if you thought the story was weak, that's great. Take it out on whomever wrote it, and on whomever paid them to write it (ahem Speilber....)

Think of it this way

This movie was a cinematic experience, enough have every review saying atleast one thing...slick look and great action(expecially on the highway)

now take a visually weak director who has "told" (someone elses) good stories and have them helm this hollywood summer movie...

it would have the same poor ass story elements...but ontop of that it wouldn't have the strong visual flare that won it 700million of our dollars this year(so far)

if anything...it's bay that saved this movie (and the berg knows it)

Three

if anyone is to blame for most bay movies being made and their lack of any real substance...
look no further than the producer of all of them...

that red haired man wants a movie done and he get's the one man who can shoot it in a selling way...

Four

someone said bay made a movie about selling toys and ruined the concept?

um?

yes, the original concept was an art film that had nothing to do with selling toys..

sorry but the original movie was an extended "new toy" commercial!

peace

 

[Bumblebee1983]

pretty much sums up the hidden personal agenda of most reviewers that give him films a bad rap...

funny how rotten a tomato it got yet it was the summer movie of the summer!


a few things need be said here

one
what is it he does so bad?
acting, and drama and pacing and all that...

when u watch a comedy...what are u looking for?

ask yourself, did u give Superbad a good review? Did u refer it to your friends? did it get great reviews and a fresh tomato?
NOW
ask yourself did it have classically good acting? Strong well directed Drama? or Pacing?

i'll answer that for you, NO it infact didn't, it was a great comedy

so why o why can't Bay make the best damn Action movie out and be applauded for it?

Two

What is it a Director does exactly? especially on a big summer film that's heavily produced and budgeted?

I'll tell you what...He doesn't write the story....if you thought the story was weak, that's great. Take it out on whomever wrote it, and on whomever paid them to write it (ahem Speilber....)

Think of it this way

This movie was a cinematic experience, enough have every review saying atleast one thing...slick look and great action(expecially on the highway)

now take a visually weak director who has "told" (someone elses) good stories and have them helm this hollywood summer movie...

it would have the same poor ass story elements...but ontop of that it wouldn't have the strong visual flare that won it 700million of our dollars this year(so far)

if anything...it's bay that saved this movie (and the berg knows it)

Three

if anyone is to blame for most bay movies being made and their lack of any real substance...
look no further than the producer of all of them...

that red haired man wants a movie done and he get's the one man who can shoot it in a selling way...

Four

someone said bay made a movie about selling toys and ruined the concept?

um?

yes, the original concept was an art film that had nothing to do with selling toys..

sorry but the original movie was an extended "new toy" commercial!

peace

*leerily looks your way*

Are you on drugs?

Just kidding.

Are you Michael Bay?

Just kidding again.

You certainly had a lot to say...all good points though!

 

[Ventura]

But, a successful Transformers film?

No, not in my eyes.

What's your point of reference though? This is the first Transformers live-action movie. If Bay had made a crap sequel to a great live-action flick directed by someone else, you'd be onto something.

I'm the biggest fan of the cartoon movie there is, but you can't really compare the two.