The Amazing Spider-Man Does anyone else get an empty feeling from this movie?

[LegendaryCaleb]

You too?

BROTHER!!!

That makes three of us.

It is good to know that I am not alone

 

[spider-neil]

Peter's nice about going after Ben's killer in other forms of the origin? Peter is all about getting revenge when Ben's killed and is racked with guilt when he realizes it's the thief he let go. He's not shedding a couple tears, it changes his entire life, Peter is and always will be Spider-man due to guilt. Everytime he puts on the costume it's trying to redeem himself for Uncle Ben's death.

I really think redoing the origin was a very poor choice for this movie, it should've had Peter in the suit to begin with, the origin ate up time and left the movie feeling disjointed. It felt like many third parts of superhero movies, where there are just too many subplots everyone wants to include so things get lost in the shuffle. Among the many things Dr. Raffa, Peter's parents mystery, the people turning into Lizards, more of a manhunt for Spidey (it's cleared up way too quickly), Gwen and Peter's relationship (which wasn't believable to me in any way). I really think taking out the origin could've given the audience a much better movie, all the origin beats seem very shoehorned in and done not with joy and care, but more because it was studio mandated.

No origin - general audience;
'why is he running out of webbing, doesn't his body make the webs?'
'I thought he graduated already'
'I thought Uncle Ben was dead'
'where is MJ?'
'where is Harry?'
'How is norman alive again?'
etc
etc
etc

 

[Juicy J]

Yahoo did two polls last week asking who the public preferred as Peter Parker/ Spidey.

In both polls Tobey trounced Andrew. 61/39% and 77/23%. Now does this mean that Andrew isn't as good as Tobey? Nope. But it does mean that comic fans don't always get things from the real world perspective.

I think the reason why so many more people liked Tobey better is that- while comic fans can go on about how Tobey wasn't as much like the comics as Garfield (Which is an innaccuracy considering how many approaches and eras there have been in the Spider-Man mythos over 50 years) Tobey has what is at the core of Spider-Man's concept.

When Stan created the idea of a "Spider-Man" he meant for him to be the ultimate underdog. The guy who isn't supposed to win but does. And even while winning, he still loses. That's Tobey's Spidey all the way.

Garfield's Spidey such as he's written and performed in this film doesn't have that quality at all. He's too cool. It isn't believable at all that this guy can't get girls and isn't popular. He isn't a nerd/geek. He's what nerds/geeks wish they could be. Ultimately no one is supposed to wish they could be Peter Parker. We're supposed to root for the guy and respect him because he tries so hard to do the right thing. That's what the train sequence in Spidey 2 played out. When those folks are looking at Peter, unmasked, unconscious, they aren't envying him. They actually feel a little sorry for him. But they're also thankful that he's there. TASM didn't present that and it was a a gaping hole in the film.

I think to an extent there may be some truth to this for some people, but ultimately the reason that Tobey won by a landslide in that poll is simply because he came first.
Everyone, both fans and non fans alike, fell in love with the character after the first movie. It was the start of the superhero movie renaissance, when people saw how fun the genre could be. It was the first successful superhero movie of our time, and people still love it to this day.
For the most part, I think this movie's ultimate downfall with a lot of people is that it came out 10 years after the trilogy first started.
Whether you realize it or not you're constantly comparing it to the previous films because they're so fresh on your mind already. I personally think this is a more faithful adaption of the character and a more sleek, streamlined, enjoyable film, with a much more charming and likable lead man but I understand that a lot of people love the first Raimi movie to much to be able to see past that.
Granted I'm not saying everyone who doesn't like this movie is that way, but I think it has way more of an effect on people's view of the film than one may think. Regardless of your feelings on this movie or Raimi's films, I think there's no debate that this movie would have performed better both critically and financially and with fans had they waited a few more years.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

No origin - general audience;
'why is he running out of webbing, doesn't his body make the webs?'
'I thought he graduated already'
'I thought Uncle Ben was dead'
'where is MJ?'
'where is Harry?'
'How is norman alive again?'
etc
etc
etc

With all the reboots and remakes nowadays, I think the general audience would catch on. Better to let the audience play catch up than bastardize the origin.

 

[Jexx]

I liked this origin better, so I'm personally glad they did it.

 

[X Knight]

they could have just started the new series in college, with an older Peter ( which would have been more appropriate for Garfield ), and just told the origins through the opening credits, or else through some flashbacks.

 

[The Guard]

I don't even know what "empty" means in this context, and I don't know that the people using it do, either.

 

[Supa]

they could have just started the new series in college, with an older Peter ( which would have been more appropriate for Garfield ), and just told the origins through the opening credits, or else through some flashbacks.

I would've preferred this. While I do like the reboot, we didn't need the origin again.

 

[roach]

that may have worked

 

[El Payaso]

the crane scene made no sense what so ever

Like 3 times the sense random new yorkers suddenly helping people for no reason what so ever.

It is good to know that I am not alone

 

[roach]

Like 3 times the sense random new yorkers suddenly helping people for no reason what so ever.

um...isnt that the same thing...but then again it make more sense for random NY'ers to try to stop someone trying to hurt children a year after 9/11 than ransom NY'ers helping a guy the police say is a criminal

however my problem with the scene doesn't have anything to do with the people helping and everything to do with why did he need the cranes?

 

[AF3619]

um...isnt that the same thing...but then again it make more sense for random NY'ers to try to stop someone trying to hurt children a year after 9/11 than ransom NY'ers helping a guy the police say is a criminal

however my problem with the scene doesn't have anything to do with the people helping and everything to do with why did he need the cranes?

he was shot in the leg,it seems he sometimes needs to run on buildings to keep swinging long distances and he was pretty much a rookie at webswinging long distances or like when the webbing didn´t reach the crane, the web can´t reach long distances here

 

[El Payaso]

um...isnt that the same thing...but then again it make more sense for random NY'ers to try to stop someone trying to hurt children a year after 9/11 than ransom NY'ers helping a guy the police say is a criminal

Excuse me but the 9/11 was not part of SM1. And police was also looking for Spider-man in SM1 (scene of the fire: "Hold it right here, you're under arrest! I'm taking you in!"). So new yorkers there had no reason to help a fugitive. The crane guy, on the other hand, had the hell of a reason to help Spider-man no matter what they could say of him.

But yes, other than new yorkers appearing from absolutely no where for no reason at all, it's quite similar.

however my problem with the scene doesn't have anything to do with the people helping and everything to do with why did he need the cranes?

It's in the movie. Cranes made easier for Spider-man to reach the tower.

 

[NinjaCarm]

i felt the new responsiblity line in TASM was more believable anyway and it was a good speech from ben

when you think about it the great power line from SM1 is out of place, but its accaptable for fans because its well known line from the spidey history

This.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Too many hater threads dominating the ASM forums.

The movie deserves far better.

 

[Jexx]

There are a large amount of topics that cover the same exact topic..

 

[AF3619]

Too many hater threads dominating the ASM forums.

The movie deserves far better.

is sad because is true well i liked the movie a lott: even the unfamous crane scene just the music and the webslinging

 

[Flemm]

The significance of the crane scene would be something like: even though law enforcement sees Spiderman as a vigilante and therefore a criminal, the people have begun to see him as a hero due to his exploits.

A bit cheesy, but not (imo) a bad idea. However, it doesn't really work, I think, because the movie is pretty jumbled thematically. We don't get a sense of the stages of Spiderman's career, which are: (1) he is just out for revenge, (2) he starts to use his powers for the benefit of others/non-selfish reasons, (3) the powers that be see him as a threat, but he has become a hero of the people.

There are bits and pieces of all those things in the movie, but it's too jumbled for something like the crane scene to not feel forced.

 

[Jexx]

Spider-Man*

 

[Tony Stark]

um...isnt that the same thing...but then again it make more sense for random NY'ers to try to stop someone trying to hurt children a year after 9/11 than ransom NY'ers helping a guy the police say is a criminal

however my problem with the scene doesn't have anything to do with the people helping and everything to do with why did he need the cranes?

Yeah it was stupid, Spider-man would not have needed the cranes to begin with, he could have navigated the buildings on his own.

 

[Jexx]

Yes, he could of, but he wouldn't of saved the city. The Lizard would of won.

 

[AF3619]

Yeah it was stupid, Spider-man would not have needed the cranes to begin with, he could have navigated the buildings on his own.

he was shot in the leg,it seems he sometimes needs to run on buildings to keep swinging long distances and he was pretty much a rookie at webswinging long distances or like when the webbing didn´t reach the crane, it looks like the web can´t reach long distances here

just speculation though

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah it was stupid, Spider-man would not have needed the cranes to begin with, he could have navigated the buildings on his own.

That's 100% irrelevant. I could say Spider-man should be able to handle Green Goblin on his own. But the point - in both cases - was not Spider-man's abilities but the fact that people realized he was a hero and was eager nto give him a hand.

Only this time people helping him didn't appear from nowhere for no reason but they had a reason and, thank God, didn't throw cramp-inducing lines such as "Leave Spider-Man alone! You're gonna pick on a guy trying to save a bunch of kids?" "Yeah, I got something for your ass! You mess with Spidey, you mess with New York!" "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us."

 

[Jexx]

They showed Spider-Man stumbling before the crane scene. He was injured, and would of never got to Oscorp on time.

Do people need to be told everything that happens in a movie? >.<

 

[El Payaso]

They showed Spider-Man stumbling before the crane scene. He was injured, and would of never got to Oscorp on time.

Do people need to be told everything that happens in a movie? >.<

Man, the scene was well-explained and all and it beat Raimi's cheese version of new yorkers helping Spider-man in every possible way. Goes without saying.