The Amazing Spider-Man Does anyone else get an empty feeling from this movie?

roach, he webbed it once he saw the cranes coming together...

I'm confused, you seem to not remember a lot of things from the movie..

go back and read what I typed

I'll help you
Here's what I found implausible....that the guy who son was saved knew what Spider-man needed....that he worked for a contraction company that had a number of cranes on the same street that were lined up headed towards the Oscorp building....that he even needed their help in the first place...yes he was shot but he webbed it and it never bothered him again...
 
Fine, you should be more critical of the fact that all of a sudden he got better after the crane scene, rather than the crane scene itself if it bothers you in that way.

I highly doubt that webbing it up did anything to dull the pain.
 
Fine, you should be more critical of the fact that all of a sudden he got better after the crane scene, rather than the crane scene itself if it bothers you in that way.

I highly doubt that webbing it up did anything to dull the pain.

again my issue is why did he need the cranes?
he webbed his leg and now he is better
there are still buildings lining the way to Oscorp
why did he need the cranes?
 
Here's what I found implausible....that the guy who son was saved knew what Spider-man needed....that he worked for a contraction company that had a number of cranes on the same street that were lined up headed towards the Oscorp building...

All of that is true. I think a certain amount of implausibility is probably ok, but I also think that something else was needed to prepare the audience for this scene, given its importance to the climactic sequence of the movie. In fact, it basically *is* the climactic sequence of the movie.

A scene between the bridge and the crane sequences that established some of the relevant information would really have helped, I think. Spiderman swings by at some point prior to the finale, the guy from the bridge is working with the crane, he and his colleagues see Spiderman pass by. One guy thinks he's a menace because of news reports, but the bridge guy says, I don't know, he saved my kid. Another guy chimes in, saying that he heard another story like that from a friend, Spidey is getting a bad rap, etc.

It lets the audience know that word is getting around about Spiderman's heroic deeds despite police claims that he is a menace. And it sets up the crane scene at the end, so at least you already know that these people are there, it is their job, etc. Something like that, maybe.
 
And that's what they did. They re-did it. But this time Peter shopwed some emotion beyond two tears.

There is a big difference between Re-do and completely change

Okay, but what's the real need of this?

Umm, how about staying true to the actual story? The whole thing with the wrestling match was a major part of the guilt Peter felt over Ben's death. That whole scenario was what made Peter drop the idea of using his powers for his own gain and become a superhero. He lied to him and wasn't where he said he'd be. He wasn't being a 3 year old and storming out of the house in a temper tantrum. The fact that he let who he thought killed Ben go could have been accomplished in a million ways, but not the part about him accepting his responsibilty to do what's right. And, Peter found the guy in the comics and took care of him. He didn't even find the killer in this one. He just let it go.

You mean Uncle Ben was actually killed by Sand Man, not the muggler (so it didn't matter if Peter let him escape to begin with), he commited a lot of other crimes but peter let him off?

No. I mean the origin of Spidey's powers. True, the radioactive spider aspect of the original comic is now known to be pretty well debunked, but Raimi's spider origin was more, if not understandable, at least defined.

Why exactly?

It didn't help progress the story, for one. There was so much hype about Connors knowing Pete's father and maybe having some info on what really happened with his parents, then he falls off a building to his death. So, what was the point? Besides having a different villain than the original trilogy? Are they going to keep the Green Goblin out of this series just because he was in the Raimi movies (twice)?

So? This is an adaptation. In every adaptation of a comic book that has been out there for decades they choose elements from different eras.

Beacuse Peter Parker grew as a person and a hero in the comics, and even in Raimi's movies. As he learned to control his abilities, he got more and more cocky. This Peter instantly had the cockiness and swagger of a more adult version. He is supposed to be a nerdy kid that is used to getting his butt kicked daily, after all. There was no meekness to this Peter. He was a cocky prick right from the get-go. The shy, weak, awkward nerd that Peter starts out as is one thing that made Spider-Man such a successful story.

I don't remember web shooters being organic or spiders being genetically altered in the first comics either. Or any comics if I'm not mistaken.

Actually, after Spidey was turned into the Human Spider, he retained the ability to produce web in one story.

And acquired fantastic balance and strenght too.

But not a black belt in Judo. Peter had to learn to fight and how to control his strength, etc in the comics. This version had complete control of his powers 5 minutes after he was bitten. He instantly became a baddass. That's unrealistic, even for a movie or comic.

You mean subjective camera? How so? Because it made you look the swinging through Spider-man eyes? That is stupid?

The way it was put into the movie, yes. The scenes were just slapped in there. If they would have had a more defined cinematic blending into the scenes, they could have been wonderful. Say, panning the camera from a 3rd person view around to a 1st person view. There are about a hundred video games that have done that right, why not a multi-million dollar movie?

You mean like dozens of people in a train did in SM2, along with MJ and Dr. Octopus (because Peter decided to show his face to the villiain there)?

That was part 2. This is the first movie. And the mask was pulled off. He didn't just walk onto the train and take off his mask, yelling "Look! It's me!" Is that going to be a theme? Everyone in every movie will know Peter's identity by the end? And noone in that train knew who Peter was.

Basically everyone in the movie is people from the city. That said, what else needed to be shown. We saw one of those people being so grateful because Spider-man saved his son he later helped the hero back.

If you've ever read a Spider-Man comic, you know that there is a huge divide between the citizens of the city. Some believe Spidey is a real hero and others believe him to be a real menace. And that is related in how he is treated on a daily basis while doing his "job" in both the comics and (to a lesser degree) in the original trilogy. One guy helping out with some cranes doesnt really reflect that.

Again. Sam Raimi. Sand man. You know. Or do you have to wait untill the third movie to butcher the origin?

I know that Hollywood will change things in any story. Noone is ever going to make a movie 100% true to a book or comic or short story or whatever. But, to blatantly ignore aspects of the legend just so they can be so different from the originals just hurts the story. TDK changed some things in the original comic story, but they didnt shy away from redoing things that were in Michael Keaton's first Batman movie. They tweaked some stuff and made it even better. Bruce's parents were still murdered and he still became Batman to seek vengence on injustice.
All I'm saying is that they should have included some things that Raimi did so right in his first Spidey movie and made them better. Not change the original story around just to ty to be completely different.
It's my belief that if you're going to redo a well known story, you should make it 100% better than the original, or as close to that as possible. That didn't happen here.
 
Here's what I found implausible....that the guy who son was saved knew what Spider-man needed

Did you not see him watching the news? They reported that Spider-Man was injured and heading towards Oscorp.
 
not what I felt was impassible about the scene...but then again why would there be people on a bridge?????:whatever:

Exacvtly. All the people that precisely thought Spider-man wa s ahero in spite of papers talking against him and police considering him a fiugitive. And with things to throw at Green Goblin, and a great shot at that.

Here's what I found implausible....that the guy who son was saved knew what Spider-man needed....that he worked for a contraction company that had a number of cranes on the same street that were lined up headed towards the Oscorp building....that he even needed their help in the first place...yes he was shot but he webbed it and it never bothered him again...

That's 100% irrelevant. The crane guy didn't know Spider-man could make it anyways. And it's not the point anyways. The point - in both cases (ASM and SM1) - was not Spider-man's abilities but the fact that people realized he was a hero and was eager nto give him a hand.

Only this time people helping him didn't appear from nowhere for no reason but they had a reason and, thank God, didn't throw cramp-inducing lines such as "Leave Spider-Man alone! You're gonna pick on a guy trying to save a bunch of kids?" "Yeah, I got something for your ass! You mess with Spidey, you mess with New York!" "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us."



again my issue is why did he need the cranes?
he webbed his leg and now he is better
there are still buildings lining the way to Oscorp
why did he need the cranes?

The reason has been clearly explained in this thread over and over. You just read it.




All of that is true. I think a certain amount of implausibility is probably ok, but I also think that something else was needed to prepare the audience for this scene, given its importance to the climactic sequence of the movie. In fact, it basically *is* the climactic sequence of the movie.

A scene between the bridge and the crane sequences that established some of the relevant information would really have helped, I think.

What information or kind of information was needed exactly?

Spider-man saved his boy. The man gets he's a hero. He felt he needed to help him when he saw him on TV. No gaps there.

That's called karma. You help people and one of them will come with what you need sometime.

Spider-man probably helped dozens of people. One of them happened to have the help Spider-man needed later.

Spiderman swings by at some point prior to the finale, the guy from the bridge is working with the crane, he and his colleagues see Spiderman pass by. One guy thinks he's a menace because of news reports, but the bridge guy says, I don't know, he saved my kid. Another guy chimes in, saying that he heard another story like that from a friend, Spidey is getting a bad rap, etc.

You mean, the very same thing it was shown in the movie. Except he didn't see it on TV.

Your scene, although good, doesn't add any valuable information of any kind.

It lets the audience know that word is getting around about Spiderman's heroic deeds despite police claims that he is a menace. And it sets up the crane scene at the end, so at least you already know that these people are there, it is their job, etc. Something like that, maybe.

The scene as it is makes exactly that. Normal people are starting to realize he is a hero. It didn't need to be underlined.
 
You mean, the very same thing it was shown in the movie. Except he didn't see it on TV.

The hypothetical addition I outlined would be a new scene between the bridge sequence and the finale. It would have a double purpose: one, more general, would be to establish, prior to the finale, that some ordinary citizens have begun to see Spiderman as a hero (beyond that one individual on the bridge); second, to establish that the individual on the bridge and his colleagues operate these cranes.

This type of thing is important because it increases the plausibility of the crane scene once it happens and reduces the risk of comic effect (palpable in the scene as filmed, due to the series of implausible events the viewer is asked to accept all at once: the guy is watching Spidey on tv, the guy is a crane operator on that street, the guy can get all the cranes on the street to synchronize with one another at a moment's notice).

Spider-man probably helped dozens of people. One of them happened to have the help Spider-man needed later.

The "help" in this case is really elaborate (positioning all those cranes). It strains credulity, and probably would regardless, but an additional establishing scene a bit earlier in the film would probably have helped.

There are things I like about the scene, but the presentation is such that it will be immersion-breaking for some viewers (understandably, I think).
 
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I wonder if Marc Webb or Avi Arad or someone in the production team is looking at these complaints...

Heh, maybe even Emma Stone, she said that she browsed forums a lot as a teen.
 
well they already edited some stuff out the middle so i wouldnt be suprised if someone already did look at the forums to much
 
Erm... ok.. I think people automatically assume what was in the lizard-ratha scene without seeing it.. for all we know it had nothing to do with Peter's parents.
 
"if you want the truth about your parends peter, come and get it"

it does seem like there was questions being asked here, so its odd its not in final cut
 
yea.. I think that was a line for the commercials, not the movie..
 
again my issue is why did he need the cranes?
he webbed his leg and now he is better
there are still buildings lining the way to Oscorp
why did he need the cranes?

He didn't need the cranes. This movie didn't need the cranes.

That scene is so blatantly unneeded and shoe-horned in I'm kind of shocked people are attempting to defend it.
 
He didn't need the cranes. This movie didn't need the cranes.

That scene is so blatantly unneeded and shoe-horned in I'm kind of shocked people are attempting to defend it.
I liked it, before I even questioned the plausibility. When I was in the cinema I loved what was happening along with the soundtrack used. To me it makes sense a straight path was extra help for him, and plus some motivation. Getting bored of people going on and on about the not liking the same scene and asking questions that have been answered multiple times, if you don't like it just stop writing about it so much.
 
I liked it, before I even questioned the plausibility. When I was in the cinema I loved what was happening along with the soundtrack used. To me it makes sense a straight path was extra help for him, and plus some motivation. Getting bored of people going on and on about the not liking the same scene and asking questions that have been answered multiple times, if you don't like it just stop writing about it so much.

same here :up:
 
He didn't need the cranes. This movie didn't need the cranes.

That scene is so blatantly unneeded and shoe-horned in I'm kind of shocked people are attempting to defend it.

The general audience loved the crane scene, at least from what I gather on youtube and facebook.
 
He didn't need the cranes. This movie didn't need the cranes.

That scene is so blatantly unneeded and shoe-horned in I'm kind of shocked people are attempting to defend it.

From what I can tell you're firmly in the minority on that one.
And if you don't know why Spider-man needed the cranes to swing over to Oscorp then clearly you didn't pay an ounce of attention to the movie.
 
Dude, some fans gripe that Betty Brant isn't Peter's first love too. There are going to be fans who will complain that EVERYTHING isn't exactly the same (There were folks who wanted Spidey 1 to actually take place in the 60's). But there is a major difference to essential story elements.




It won't matter in another movie. And Capt. Stacy's conversation was extremely flawed.

1. Capt. Stacy was accusing Spider-Man of having a personal vendetta when he himself has a personal vendetta against Spider-Man.
2. If Spider-Man is interfering in police work by taking down criminal informants etc. Then that essentially makes Spider-Man obsolete from day one as far as street crime (An essential characteristic) since he'll never know who is and isn't working with the police.
3. The police themselves are pretty ineffectual if they need that many criminals helping them out.
4. Spider-Man didn't simply jump on guys who looked like Ben's killer. He attacked them while they were committing crimes. So Stacy's explanation makes no sense to begin with.

It was nothing other than Webb's way of excusing making things different. The sequence of events in the comics is the sequence reflecting Peter's growth. Convoluting his growth for no reason other than to make this series different isn't an improvement. They should have actually made the film different and told a new story. That's why so many people don't care about this movie.

It seems like you just love to argue with people for some reason.
So here we go.

1. It's not personal. He's the captain of the police force. His official opinion sometimes has to override his personal one.

2. At the time Spider-Man was unknown. So in the future, the police may work along side Spidey and warn him of placed moles in criminal organizations.

3. Police need warrants to arrest a lot of these criminals. So they use these moles to supply them with information and incriminating evidence, so they can legally bring these criminals into custody.

4. How do the police know if they committed crimes though? To them (the police) Spider-Man could be preying on guys that resemble each other. Spider-Man caught them in the act of committing a crime, the police didn't.

Lastly, this movie series doesn't exist to "improve" upon Raimi's trilogy.
It is supposed to be purposely different. People don't seem to understand that.
The tone, plot elements, those are all changed to seperate itself as much as possible from the previous movies. And if they made a new and "different" movie I bet a lot of you would look for other things to complain about. Other things that they didn't "get right".
 
A quick two cents, if I may. This movie was, if you ignore the comics and previous movies in general, a good cinematic experience. Im sure these forums were full of plenty of people outraged by SM1.
From a purist's standpoint, no comic-based movie is right. I've read SM comics since I was 6 (Im 33). There were things I loved about SM1 and, alot fewer, things I liked about TASM. I can tear apart Raimi's take on it, and I have torn apart this movie. But, as I've said, Hollywood doesn't care about staying true to the original content. Its all about filling seats and turning a profit. Purists aren't the target audience, the general public worldwide is. Capt America was a little different from the comics. Thor was different. The Avengers was different. Iron Man was different. The Dark Knight was different. Raimi's SM was different. The Hulk(s) were different. Ghost Rider was different. Even the original Superman from the 70s was different. But they all made money and that was the point. Honestly, if they made a comic book movie that was dead-on accurate, it would probably flop.
From a purist's standpoint, this wasn't as close to the original content as Raimi's. But, I can forgive the things they changed or "got wrong." I tried very hard to go in without thinking about Raimi's trilogy. I wasn't able to forget about the comics though. It ate at me when they changed this or that, but even after all that, I did enjoy the experience at least. Hopefully the sequel(s) will make this series a hit for everyone.
 
I didn't have a problem with the cranes , but then again I didn't have a problem with the New Yorkers wanting to come to Spiderman's aid or rally behind him in the Raimi films either. Its pretty much the same though , Raimi got flack for it as being cheesy , while Webb gets a pass for it...but whatever. It was an ok sequence.
 
whether it's cheesy or not, at least it actually helped Spidey. In Spider-Man 1 it bought Spidey like a few seconds but had no affect in the end
 
I didn't have a problem with the cranes but the American flag was a little 'too' on the nose.
 
The movie's set in 2012 too, you can see that when Peter looks at the copy of the Daily Bugle on the ground.

Well winter counts for January and February, so I'll call it there until some other little detail pops up.
 
Count me in as one of the people who despises the crane scene (but loves everything before and after it) and thinks it's the worst part of the movie. Truly cringe worthy.
 

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