Does Halo Look Great?

[Joker]

And what games were those? EA ports that shifted resources from other graphical areas into ones more in focus and let's not forget, had an EXTRA YEAR of development time?

And by the way, the 360's GPU is the better GPU. But you already have to know that since you allegedy frequnt Beyond3D.

You know, I just never get sick of crazy ol' Zenien getting totally served here...just, never...aaahhhh

 

[Devil May Cry]

Let's end this. You insulted me first, so I returned fire. Sure, I used expletives, but I never felt the need to brag about having a damn bachelor's degree from an unspecified school. Are you serious? My point about Crysis is that you might have to pay MORE money to get a working rig up than you necessarily would have to for Alan Wake. 4 cores are preferred, but 4 cores is also preferred for Crysis. And it certainly costs less than a freaking grand to upgrade cores. WHen I say altruistic, I mean that it's good that they are willing to take a loss, so that the consumer can pay less for their products. That's something Sony is not willing to do.

To take it back to your grammar.

"It's not as bad as you are so ignorantly decrying it to be"

Since you're sensitive about your quotes, I made extra sure to quote it right. FYI The word decry does mean condemn or express strong disaproval of, but not to criticize. It is has a lot more strength than criticize. It is more akin to deprecate than to critique. So, to replace the word, you're saying..."bad as you're condemning it to be," which just doesn't make sense semantically. Moreover, it's just redundant. Once you use "bad as.." it's pretty much already implied that I am decrying something. lol You need to use a neutral word there, so it doesn't come off awkward. Then again, I'm just anal about grammar sometimes.

And I love how you completely bypass my comments about the $50 million dollars by stating that the money will be made elsewhere. Which is...if you look back..something that I said Microsoft will have to do.

To quote Farbot.com:
"...shows more than a pay-anything-just-do-it desperation on Microsoft's part to make their console brand be linked with the GTA franchise. This also shows Microsoft knows how to make a strategic investment in a very popular developer and publisher. Buying $50m of influence or paying that money to stabilize Take Two while they're reeling from management shakeups and low profitability ensures that when Microsoft calls Take Two, they will not go to voice mail."

Hitting intellectual rock bottom must be feeling real good to you right about now, doesn't it?

It's orgasmic.

And I hope you're not implying that you're an intellectual, especially considering as how you have to defend yourself with a background that no one is particularly impressed with.



By the way, where'd you graduate?

And lastly, would you say that you are biased towards Microsoft?

 

[Phaser]

Let's end this. You insulted me first, so I returned fire. Sure, I used expletives, but I never felt the need to brag about having a damn bachelor's degree from an unspecified school.

Do you really have that poor a memory? I 'bragged' about my bachelor's degree in response to you flaunting your knowledge of Freakonomics (whatever did that have to do with anything) and telling me to go read "any economics book you can find". Do try to keep up, skippy.

Are you serious? My point about Crysis is that you might have to pay MORE money to get a working rig up than you necessarily would have to for Alan Wake.

And where are you getting this information from? Remedy has yet to reveal the recommended specs for Alan Wake, and in all probability they can likely end up being higher than Crysis if you want to run the game on Xbox 360 levels. Of course, the recommended requirements also depend upon how scalable the game ultimately ends up being. So you have nothing but uneven speculation to go on.

4 cores is preferred, but 4 cores is also preferred for Crysis.

So where are you pulling that "Crysis will need a more expensive working rig than Alan Wake" crap from?

WHen I say altruistic, I mean that it's good that they are willing to take a loss, so that the consumer can pay less for their products. That's something Sony is not willing to do.

Again, there's nothing altruistic about it. Altruism does not exist in business. There is always an element of mutual (if not just self) benefit. MS definitely stands to gain in the long term by capturing the lion's share of the market after which they can set their own terms. Why is that so hard to understand?

To take it back to your grammar.

"It's not as bad as you are so ignorantly decrying it to be"

Since you're sensitive about your quotes, I made extra sure to quote it right. FYI The word decry means condemn or express strong disaproval of. It is has a lot more strength than criticize. It is more akin to deprecate than to critique.

It is also closer to the word "belittle", which you have been doing with your "OMG they spent a billion bucks!" tirade.

And I love how you completely bypass my comments about the $50 million dollars by stating that the money will be made elsewhere. Which is...if you look back..something that I said Microsoft will have to do.

To quote Farbot.com:
"...shows more than a pay-anything-just-do-it desperation on Microsoft's part to make their console brand be linked with the GTA franchise. This also shows Microsoft knows how to make a strategic investment in a very popular developer and publisher. Buying $50m of influence or paying that money to stabilize Take Two while they're reeling from management shakeups and low profitability ensures that when Microsoft calls Take Two, they will not go to voice mail."

Good heavens...did you even read the bolded paragraphs I posted in your link? MS invested $50 million for exclusive content not to make money elsewhere, but rather from the marketplace purchases of the downloadable content itself. They expect their cut of the revenue from the Marketplace downloads to be at least $70 million, which means they make back their investment with a hefty 40% margin. And that too with a clause stating Take Two would have to return some of the advance if the said exclusive content sales fall short of expectations.

The Farbot.com comments you posted only highlight the additional and NOT the immediate benefits of this investment.

 

[Phaser]

By the way, where'd you graduate?

King Abdul Aziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

And lastly, would you say that you are biased towards Microsoft?

Let's just say that as a gamer, I have preferred their offerings more than Sony's and infinitely more than Nintendo's.

 

[Phaser]

Oh and Devil May Cry, why don't you muster up some dignity and get those fingers cracking? You've got a whole post to reply to with your "concise responses".

 

[Devil May Cry]

King Abdul Aziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.



Let's just say that as a gamer, I have preferred their offerings more than Sony's and infinitely more than Nintendo's.

Didn't Osama bin Laden graduate there? I forget. Anyways lol that's a real nice way of saying that you are probably biased. Your "preference" for their products has led you to side with them at any chance you get.

About the DLC: That's a pretty sweet deal. But I think the main reason it was implemented was to steal sales from the PS3. Sure, they might have a way to recoup costs (and in this sense, it was smart) but the notion of paying that much money in order to offer that little extra something just seems absurd to me and to most of the websites I go to for gaming information. But, as long as they know what they're doing, right?

Moreover, belittle is closer to condemn. LOL I'm a phil major, so I use the terms all the time, but you still don't address how that was properly fitted into your statement. At least concede that it was redundant and not exactly the best choice logistically.

If you go to AlanWakefaq.com I believe, they release some specs about the CPU and how much power you'll need in relation to the 360 version. The 3 core system will easily have to be accounted for, so having a PC that has a 3 core CPU should suffice. Moreover, even a 2 core would work if you're willing to make sacrifices with framerate. DX9 and DX10 is a big deal because I don't want to have to unnecessarily go the Vista route. Now, that can get expensive. But as far as switching from say, a Dual-core CPU (Athlon X2/Pentium D) to a 3.2 GHZ quad core (edit, I meant 3 cores), that's not going to cost $1500. I could completely re-do my entire system, GPU and all, for that amount.

As far as my tirade about the billion dollar spending? LOL I was not belittling Microsoft in any way. You seem to think I have some vendetta against them as a corporation. I don't. I wish Sony had the money because they keep f***ing around with their prices. So, lol I certainly wasn't decrying Microsoft. I was simply stating that they committed a huge blunder. And I personally don't like the idea of putting my freaking Xbox into a shop for 4 months. Not cool

Edit: Sidebar question, is the Falcon model going to be released Christmas for a fact? Because I heard the price will go down in under 600 days, but necessarily Christmas?

Oh and just saw your last post. So, you equate sparring over toys with dignity? We're both wasting our day doing this. lol

 

[Phaser]

Didn't Osama bin Laden graduate there? I forget.

According to some reports, yes.

Anyways lol that's a real nice way of saying that you are probably biased. Your "preference" for their products has led you to side with them at any chance you get.

No, I am being honest. Preferring one thing over the other on the basis of individual merit does not imply bias or favoritism.

About the DLC: That's a pretty sweet deal. But I think the main reason it was implemented was to steal sales from the PS3. Sure, they might have a way to recoup costs (and in this sense, it was smart) but the notion of paying that much money in order to offer that little extra something just seems absurd to me and to most of the websites I go to for gaming information. But, as long as they know what they're doing, right?

Again, for the love of God please read your own next-gen.biz link. It clearly lays everything out in layman's terms that it's a pretty sensible deal. Of course, that is not to say the deal has far reaching strategic implications which were more than likely kept into considering when signing, but even then it still doesn't disprove the fact that MS investing $50 million to take it's cut of $70 million in revenues when they content does go on sale in the marketplace is financially a smart move. Plus they've even got a kind of safety clause in place with Take Two just in case it feels to meet expectations. I don't understand just how in heaven's name are people still unable to grasp how much Microsoft is benefiting from this. Really, it's just mind-boggling.

Moreover, belittle is closer to condemn. LOL I'm a phil major, so I use the terms all the time, but you still don't address how that was properly fitted into your statement. At least concede that it was redundant and not exactly the best choice logistically.

Uhh, no. You are hell bent on extracting the meaning of my words on how you interpreted them instead of what I meant by it. I am not the one who has to concede here.

If you go to AlanWakefaq.com I believe, they release some specs about the CPU and how much power you'll need in relation to the 360 version. The 3 core system will easily have to be accounted for, so having a PC that has a 3 core CPU should suffice. Moreover, even a 2 core would work if you're willing to make sacrifices with framerate. DX9 and DX10 is a big deal because I don't want to have to unnecessarily go the Vista route. Now, that can get expensive. But as far as switching from say, a Dual-core CPU (Athlon X2/Pentium D) to a 3.2 GHZ quad core, that's not going to cost $1500. I could completely re-do my entire system, GPU and all, for that amount.

A new processor means a new motherboard - meaning the whole motherboard+quad core CPU combo could easily cost you at least $600. Add in the cost of a beefed up video card and/or additional RAM and you'll understand the point I made earlier about Alan Wake costing at least $700+ in upgrades or over grand for a brand new PC.

 

[Phaser]

Edit: Sidebar question, is the Falcon model going to be released Christmas for a fact? Because I heard the price will go down in under 600 days, but necessarily Christmas?

It will most likely go down with Halo 3 along with the special edition console.

Oh and just saw your last post. So, you equate sparring over toys with dignity? We're both wasting our day doing this. lol

I don't recall sparring over toys. My side of the debate at least, was concerned mostly with elaboration of the financial and strategic aspects of Microsoft's console gaming business. It wasn't some dumb "my console is better than yours" argument. At some point, the debate became a lot more personal due to which it was dragged to this length.

 

[Devil May Cry]

According to some reports, yes.



No, I am being honest. Preferring one thing over the other on the basis of individual merit does not imply bias or favoritism.



Again, for the love of God please read your own next-gen.biz link. It clearly lays everything out in layman's terms that it's a pretty sensible deal. Of course, that is not to say the deal has far reaching strategic implications which were more than likely kept into considering when signing, but even then it still doesn't disprove the fact that MS investing $50 million to take it's cut of $70 million in revenues when they content does go on sale in the marketplace is financially a smart move. Plus they've even got a kind of safety clause in place with Take Two just in case it feels to meet expectations. I don't understand just how in heaven's name are people still unable to grasp how much Microsoft is benefiting from this. Really, it's just mind-boggling.



Uhh, no. You are hell bent on extracting the meaning of my words on how you interpreted them instead of what I meant by it. I am not the one who has to concede here.



A new processor means a new motherboard - meaning the whole motherboard+quad core CPU combo could easily cost you at least $600. Add in the cost of a beefed up video card and/or additional RAM and you'll understand the point I made earlier about Alan Wake costing at least $700+ in upgrades or over grand for a brand new PC.

Then how do prove bias?


Upgrading RAM costs about $250. Moreover, you can always sell your old memory and get $100 upwards to $300. It's also easier to buy RDRAM. Those are like $100 buckaroos. Then, you have your motherboard. Motherboards can be free or cost upwards to around $1400. It really depends. Those Intel Desktop DG/DQ models are hella expensive, but you can also get a great one for around $250-$400 if you are frugal. With the amount of stuff you can sell, it will easily be less than $700 dollars in upgrades.

And LOL I already said the DLC was a "sweet deal" but just said I hope they know what they're doing. What more do you want me to say?

And lastly, lol it's irrelevant to point out the way you "meant" anything. From an objective standpoint, your use of the word "decrying" was inappropriate. We all knew what you "meant," but you were redundant so it made your words less clear. It was like a double negative in declarative form.

Edit: Just read your last post. Yeah, I agree it became personal. For that, I apologize. However, out of the two of us, is there really anything you believe Microsoft has done wrong? So, I'm biased towards Sony. Fine. If you say so. But you still haven't spelt out the criteria for biased behavior? It is favoring one system over another? Is it decrying one system over the other?

 

[Phaser]

Then how do prove bias?

Bias can be proven when you unconditionally prefer someone or something regardless of the respective merits and demerits.

Upgrading RAM costs about $250. Moreover, you can always sell your old memory and get $100 upwards to $300. It's also easier to buy RDRAM. Those are like $100 buckaroos.

RDRAM has also been discontinued and as far as I recall, there are no multi-core CPU motherboards that support it anymore.

Then, you have your motherboard. Motherboards can be free or cost upwards to around $1400. It really depends. Those Intel Desktop DG/DQ models are hella expensive, but you can also get a great one for around $250-$400 if you are frugal.

Add in the cost of the CPU and depending on your choice of motherboard, a quad-core + mobo alone could cost you $700.

With the amount of stuff you can sell, it will easily be less than $700 dollars in upgrades.

No, it won't. Just take the current Crysis recommended specs, go to Newegg or Compusa and do the math yourself. When you factor in a quad-core+mobo+graphics card+RAM in upgrades, no way are you going to be getting a deal less than $700, no way.

And LOL I already said the DLC was a "sweet deal" but just said I hope they know what they're doing. What more do you want me to say?

Umm...nothing and to just drop the subject altogether?

And lastly, lol it's irrelevant to point out the way you "meant" anything. From an objective standpoint, your use of the word "decrying" was inappropriate. We all knew what you "meant," but you were redundant so it made your words less clear. It was like a double negative in declarative form.

Please, there is no redundancy and there is no double negative. You're really reaching here.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

There's no arguing with Phaser. Nowadays when I disagree with something he says, I just voice my opinion and get the hell out. After a 15-page discussion on whether Dolby 7.1 audio is really necessary or not (Xbox360 only supports 5.1 so the topic came up), I had an emotinal breakdown. Fortunately we agree most of the time. I think the server manager told us we're not allowed to talk about Riddick vs. Half-Life 2 anymore.

30 gigs of text... gone forever...

 

[Devil May Cry]

Bias can be proven when you unconditionally prefer someone or something regardless of the respective merits and demerits.



RDRAM has also been discontinued and as far as I recall, there are no multi-core CPU motherboards that support it anymore.



Add in the cost of the CPU and depending on your choice of motherboard, a quad-core + mobo alone could cost you $700.



No, it won't. Just take the current Crysis recommended specs, go to Newegg or Compusa and do the math yourself. When you factor in a quad-core+mobo+graphics card+RAM in upgrades, no way are you going to be getting a deal less than $700, no way.



Umm...nothing and to just drop the subject altogether?



Please, there is no redundancy and there is no double negative. You're really reaching here.

I'll spell it out again. WHen you say "as bad as," you are implying that I said something that was bad. For instance, "it's not as bad as when you said Halo is better than Mass Effect." That already implies that you believe that I said something that was bad or negative. So, by further stating that I "decried" something you are re-emphasizing my negativity on the subject, which is redundant. It's not a double negative per se as with "no" or "not," but you re-emphasized something that was already implied. Come on. I don't want to call you illiterate, so I'll just say that you're stubborn.


As far as you wanting me to drop the subject....I affirmed some of your points and disagreed with the entire premise of the "$50 million doesn't show desperation" argument. I just don't buy it and a majority of other gaming critics don't either. The move to include the content seems superfluous because A. I don't think episodic DLC will increase the GTA install base on the 360 because GTA series has gone on splendidly without the need for online. Plus, how many users use online? Like 20%? So, it kinda seems like reaching here.


Moreover, you don't NEED a quad core to run Alan Wake for the 1000th time. The 360 has 3 cores, so it has to be able to run splendidly on that. Even a Dual Core will work if you're willing to make some sacrifices. Like, with Crysis, you can run that on a Dual Core if you accept the fact that it might run at 30 FPS. Also, like I said, a lot of the items you need to buy...RAM, etc....can also be sold for quite a price. If you're in college, selling those things is practically as easy as doing a garage sale. On ebay you can see how people over price those things, so I suggest doing it either through people you know or just going to like a computer hardware store and asking them how much they're willing to pay for it.

 

[Phaser]

There's no arguing with Phaser. Nowadays when I disagree with something he says, I just voice my opinion and get the hell out. After a 15-page discussion on whether Dolby 7.1 audio is really necessary or not (Xbox360 only supports 5.1 so the topic came up), I had an emotinal breakdown. Fortunately we agree most of the time. I think the server manager told us we're not allowed to talk about Riddick vs. Half-Life 2 anymore.

30 gigs of text... gone forever...

LMAO. up:

 

[DorkyFresh]

Blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah. You didn't prove a thing with that pointless block of text. Good job. Way to strive to win. Uneducated? You've made yourself look like an idiot without my help throughout this thread. You can't stop running your mouth even though you've lost, and any intelligent person can see this.

lol...someone warned me about your uncanny ability to repeat the same crap and somehow think that the more you repeat it the more it makes it true. sorry kiddo...i haven't lost anything because this isn't a game. it's a discussion board...we're not competing, we're arguing. maybe if you stepped out of your la-la-land long enough to breath some fresh air you wouldn't have that kind of a mindset.

anywho, seeing as how you've managed to repeat your same tired, uneducated arguments for the umpteenth time i'll just take that person's advice and just let you keep repeating those until you think they're true.

 

[WhatsHisFace]

What are you and Xtro talking about anyway?

 

[DorkyFresh]

i don't mean to reopen the can of worms but he basically thinks the blurs in Killzone make the game look unrealistic and the animations look sloppy while i'm trying to tell him that they make the game look MORE realistic/cinematic and the animations look fine.

if you look back a couple of pages you'll see our posts.

 

[XtromaniaK]

lol...someone warned me about your uncanny ability to repeat the same crap and somehow think that the more you repeat it the more it makes it true. sorry kiddo...i haven't lost anything because this isn't a game. it's a discussion board...we're not competing, we're arguing. maybe if you got out of your la-la-land long enough to breath some fresh air you wouldn't have that kind of a mindset.

I feel privileged, I really do. Someone warning you of me beforehand? I see my reputation precedes me. You can lose an argument, by the way, my misguided little friend. There are such things known as debate clubs and professional debates set up for this exact purpose. Because it is a well known fact to all of us here in the outside world, those of us who walk around during the daylight, that you can lose an argument. I don't blame you, though, I blame video games for giving you an overactive imagination. It'll all be okay, buddy.

anywho, seeing as how you've managed to repeat your same tired, uneducated arguments for the umpteenth time i'll just take that person's advice and just let you keep repeating those until you think they're true.

It's okay everyone, I have a degree in Bull**** linguistics.

Bull**** translation: I lost the "debate". I'm going to try and miserably fail at providing some witty, possibly clever, response to cover this fact while I back right out of the thread and pretend that I never said any of the stupid, misinformed things that I did just this day.

 

[DorkyFresh]

and that's you putting words in my mouth and assuming that i'm backing down because once again...you THINK i lost. when really i'm backing away because i know you'll never see anything that your narrow mind doesn't want you to see. i've come across your kind before and i know when to realize that i'm just wasting my time arguing with someone who doesn't even want TRY to understand...and you're one of them...


...so maybe you should keep your assumptions about what you THINK you know to yourself.

 

[XtromaniaK]

What are you and Xtro talking about anyway?

He somehow thinks that this:

..reflects real life. Yes, the world in which blur is everywhere! Not even the things straight in front of you are sharp. They're blurry, just like.. wait.. that's nothing like real life!

 

[XtromaniaK]

and that's you putting words in my mouth and assuming that i'm backing down because once again...you THINK i lost. when the reality is that you'll never see anything that your narrow mind doesn't want you to see. i've come across your kind before and i know when to realize that i'm just wasting my time arguing with someone who doesn't even try to understand...and you're one of them...


...so maybe you should keep your assumptions about what you THINK you know to yourself.

Nah, it's what I know. It's okay. I see this alot. Some person who doesn't know when to stop running his mouth finds out that he's been backed into a corner so he decides to take the "high road" and, in his disarray, **** on another person's credibility to save face. I've seen it all before bub, you don't need to say anything more.

 

[DorkyFresh]

yup, that's right...you know everything about the universe that ever happened. we all do...

 

[Phaser]

I'll spell it out again. WHen you say "as bad as," you are implying that I said something that was bad.

No, I am questioning the extent to which you think something is bad. There's a huge difference.

For instance, "it's not as bad as when you said Halo is better than Mass Effect." That already implies that you believe that I said something that was bad or negative.

That would depend on the context of the conversation and you've chosen a pretty poor example either way.

So, by further stating that I "decried" something you are re-emphasizing my negativity on the subject, which is redundant. It's not a double negative per se as with "no" or "not," but you re-emphasized something that was already implied. Come on. I don't want to call you illiterate, so I'll just say that you're stubborn.

Good Lord. Just throw the phrase in an editorial software like Style Writer or any online editor and see for yourself if any redundancies, double negatives or any other grammatical error comes up. Go ahead. I dare ya. Because you're really acting like a thickhead here.

There is only ONE. NEGATIVE. IN. THE. SENTENCE.

The verb "decrying" was never and is never considered as a form of negation in the English language. Go brush up on your reading comprehension and stop eating my brain. Dumbass.

As far as you wanting me to drop the subject....I affirmed some of your points and disagreed with the entire premise of the "$50 million doesn't show desperation" argument. I just don't buy it and a majority of other gaming critics don't either.

Even after company execs clearly laid it out in layman's terms? Then it's not my problem you want to keep your heads buried in the sand.

The move to include the content seems superfluous because A. I don't think episodic DLC will increase the GTA install base on the 360 because GTA series has gone on splendidly without the need for online.

Are you...deliberately acting dumb? The episodic content can be considered as a kind of mini-expansion packs which MS will sell through the Live Marketplace. I really can't believe how you're constantly baffled by the idea.

JUST GO AND READ YOUR OWN GODDAMN NEXT-GEN.BIZ LINK!

Plus, how many users use online? Like 20%? So, it kinda seems like reaching here.

Microsoft announced in the E3 press conference that Xbox Live had reached the 7 million mark as of July 2007 (which will most definitely increase significantly with the release of Halo 3). That is almost 65% of the total user base. You are the one who is reaching here. Why don't you do your homework before babbling nonsense like a clueless baby that needs to be spoonfed every bit of information?

Moreover, you don't NEED a quad core to run Alan Wake for the 1000th time. The 360 has 3 cores, so it has to be able to run splendidly on that. Even a Dual Core will work if you're willing to make some sacrifices. Like, with Crysis, you can run that on a Dual Core if you accept the fact that it might run at 30 FPS. Also, like I said, a lot of the items you need to buy...RAM, etc....can also be sold for quite a price. If you're in college, selling those things is practically as easy as doing a garage sale. On ebay you can see how people over price those things, so I suggest doing it either through people you know or just going to like a computer hardware store and asking them how much they're willing to pay for it.

I'd love to post actual prices of components from online retail stores but I'm starting to lose patience with your bull**** already and knowing you, you'd simply act like an incorrigible moron yet again not reading my posts and post even more gibberish. You want to play Alan Wake on the PC? Fine. Knock yourself out.

 

[DorkyFresh]

He somehow thinks that this:

..reflects real life. Yes, the world in which blur is everywhere! Not even the things straight in front of you are sharp. They're blurry, just like.. wait.. that's nothing like real life!

how typical of a biased person...picking a screenshot that supports his opinion. why not post something that goes against it? like this for instance...

i dare you to tell me that everything in that image is blurry.

 

[XtromaniaK]

yup, that's right...you know everything about the universe that ever happened. we all do...

You're only proving my point. I can quite easily see that I'm touching a nerve and your only response is to frantically try to discredit what I'm saying. Don't worry, I'll lay off of you. I don't have anything against you personally anyhow.

 

[DorkyFresh]

lol. is there no end to your ego?