Doomsday Lives!

[gildea]

He was hardly tough though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He was fighting two Supermen. One of the bastards killed him already; two are bound to put him down pretty quickly. Plus, Doomsday's power level has been anything but consistent. I just assumed he was somehow down to below his Doomsday Wars power, more along the lines of his Death of Superman one.

 

[gildea]

He was fighting two Supermen. One of the bastards killed him already; two are bound to put him down pretty quickly. Plus, Doomsday's power level has been anything but consistent. I just assumed he was somehow down to below his Doomsday Wars power, more along the lines of his Death of Superman one.

Not claiming to know much about doomsday but doesn't his evolution thing mean it shouldn't have been possible.?

Regardless it should take more than 5 hits to stop him whenever he appears.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He had "evolved" to be weaker but have a higher intelligence, last I heard. That was reversed back to the mute beast back in Our Worlds at War, though, so it seems devolving is part of his bag as well. Trying to make sense of Doomsday is a lost cause, in my opinion. He existed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill Superman. Everything else he's ever done has been extraneous and doesn't really matter, which is evident in the fact that no one seems to know what to do with him whenever he appears these days.

 

[gildea]

He had "evolved" to be weaker but have a higher intelligence, last I heard. That was reversed back to the mute beast back in Our Worlds at War, though, so it seems devolving is part of his bag as well. Trying to make sense of Doomsday is a lost cause, in my opinion. He existed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill Superman. Everything else he's ever done has been extraneous and doesn't really matter, which is evident in the fact that no one seems to know what to do with him whenever he appears these days.

lol

Perhaps he should open up a chain of coffee shops?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Throw in a couple of funny (but ethnically diverse, of course) friends and some zany hijinks, and I think you're onto something.

 

[Pksoze]

Like I said if Doomsday is supposed to be a jobber now... then it would have been better if Superboy Prime killed him.

One it illustrates how powerful Sprime is, and two it at least finishes Doomsday once & for all.

I would have Sprime just freeze & shatter Doomsday & thus negate the healing factor.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The entire GL Corps' and speedsters' respective inability to stop Superboy Prime illustrated how powerful he was much better than Doomsday ever could, in my opinion.

 

[yenaled]

Doomsday's evolution means he cannot be killed but there is nothing saying that two Superman, one at Earth-2 levels couldn't beat the pulp out of him and knock him unconscious.

I, for one, am glad that he played a more symbolic role rather than a plot point, because the character has never appealed to me.

It was also sweet seeing Ollie and Roy standing up to Doomsday even though they stood so little chance.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Supermen were at the same level. "Superman, This Is Your Life" showed that.

I thought Ollie and Roy's scene might've been an homage to the "Patriot Act" episode of JLU, actually. They're left standing in the path of General Eiling with no meta backup in sight.

 

[Pksoze]

The entire GL Corps' and speedsters' respective inability to stop Superboy Prime illustrated how powerful he was much better than Doomsday ever could, in my opinion.

Yeah but why not both... I just guess if he wasn't going to be a tough fight I'd rather Superboy just killed him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Whatever. Doomsday's a waste of a character and has been for some time, so I was fine with it. Two Supermen is more than that *****e can handle anyway.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I thought Ollie and Roy's scene might've been an homage to the "Patriot Act" episode of JLU, actually. They're left standing in the path of General Eiling with no meta backup in sight.

Thats the first thing i thought about. I love the way that the non-powered heroes are shown with more determination than almost anyone

 

[Pksoze]

Whatever. Doomsday's a waste of a character and has been for some time, so I was fine with it. Two Supermen is more than that *****e can handle anyway.

I don't think he's the greatest of characters but he was a powerful villain.

 

[Pksoze]

Whatever. Doomsday's a waste of a character and has been for some time, so I was fine with it. Two Supermen is more than that *****e can handle anyway.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Powerful does not equal good. Darkseid was a powerful villain who's good. Doomsday is a powerful villain who has absolutely no depth and very few prospects for depth barring a total overhaul of the character, which they already tried with his evolution to a thinking being. That kind of fell flat.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

Yeah, but his whole alternate timeline character was pretty sad I thought. Especially once he took up the mantle of Superman and had to give it up to restore the past.

Doomsday- "Does this mean I have to be a monster again?"

Gog and Doomsday- "He saved us all, even us monsters..."

 

[Calendar Man]

That hurts my eyes...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure it's not really Darkseid. Someone mentioned in another thread that Darkseid's been allowing Desaad to impersonate him, simply because it amuses him to do so.

 

[yenaled]

I'm sure it's not really Darkseid. Someone mentioned in another thread that Darkseid's been allowing Desaad to impersonate him, simply because it amuses him to do so.

Really? He's pulling a little bit of a Thanos then.

Maybe they can just chalk up the last 20 years of Darkseid to him letting Desaad impersonate him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's what Whirlysplat said in the Marvel forums. I'd never heard of it before he mentioned it, but I'm not at all averse to that being the case. Unlike Thanos, Darkseid started out well beyond the likes of Superman and deserves to return to that.

 

[yenaled]

Completly agreed. Seeing Devilance in the 52 cover makes me believe DC are trying to revamp the New Gods, at least him being huge seems like the remember that the New Gods are meant to be massive and are only resized by the Boom Tubes.

There is a reason the Green Lantern Corps are forbidden to go to Apokolips (in Darkseid's current state it seems stupid that the entire Corps was nearly wiped out by Darkseid) and I'd love Darkseid to be the threat and the power he is meant to be.

I'd love to see in 52 the Corps going to try and get Raker again, trying to force their law on Apokolips - maybe taking advantage of it's seemingly weak state - only for Darkseid to actually show the power he really has. A Corps/Apokolips War is something which should be picked up again.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd love to see Raker again. Although he's cool, I wouldn't mind seeing him get killed off, forcing the newly militant Guardians to recruit no less than a New God to take over. Desperate times and all, 'cause really, who else could keep Apokolips in line?

Ooh, or maybe Raker could be retrieved and Mogo could be left in the same side dimension as Apokolips and New Genesis to keep them in line.

 

[yenaled]

Those would be good, be interesting to have a New God GL.

I've always wanted a Mogo story to introduce Ranx the Sentient City from Qull of the Five Inversions' prophecies. Setting up an actual arch-villain for Mogo.

Although I've always wanted to see more Empire of Tears and MadGod Sector 3600 stuff in the Green Lantern books really set up the massive universal threats that the Corps have delt with in the past.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

It's so stupid though to retcon a big villian into a "oh that wasn't me getting my ass kicked it was my servant impersonating me." That's as lame as this:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/218160

You just can't pull the plug on 20 years of a villians history just because you don't like the fact he got pwned a few times. You all seem to think Darkseid is absolutely invincible, and that's even more of a stupid character than Doomsday. Unbeatible characters are lame. Isn't that your argument with Doomsday? I don't hear the legion of fans crying for DC to reverse the fact that Superman killed Doomsday cause it made him look bad.