Dr. Gordon Returns to Saw 7

[StevieNicks1988]

Saw this today with the wife. Easily the best entry since Saw III but the 3D was not necessary AT ALL! Really enjoyed the ending, great send-off for a long-drawn out series that's needed a true ending.

 

[bullets]

I can't wait , I'm finally off to see this in an hour .

 

[Warhammer]

At the end of the day, John Kramer is a dirty piece of s***. [blackout]The man makes Hoffman his successor. Then Kramer takes a precaution against Hoffman in case Hoffman tries to kill his wife. The funny thing is Jill tried to kill Hoffman FIRST, so she had it coming. If Jill hadn't tried to kill Hoffman, he wouldn't have killed all those people in an attempt to catch Jill. Essentially (unless I somehow confused some events), Kramer screws over Hoffman when it's all said and done for pretty much no reason.[/blackout]

 

[S.A.A.D.]

At the end of the day, John Kramer is a dirty piece of s***. [blackout]The man makes Hoffman his successor. Then Kramer takes a precaution against Hoffman in case Hoffman tries to kill his wife. The funny thing is Jill tried to kill Hoffman FIRST, so she had it coming. If Jill hadn't tried to kill Hoffman, he wouldn't have killed all those people in an attempt to catch Jill. Essentially (unless I somehow confused some events), Kramer screws over Hoffman when it's all said and done for pretty much no reason.[/blackout]

Exactly,Hoffman didn't deserve to die,it was a matter of kill or be killed. Kramer is an idiot,if he didn't get Jill to go after Hoffman she wouldn't have died. And he is clearly and mainly responsible for his wife's death.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Spoiler

Hoffman has slaughtered close to a dozen cops and others, in situations that had nothing to do with testing them, and set up John and Amanda to be killed...

 

[Gamma Ray]

I haven't seen any SAW movies past 2. Can someone fill me in on what happened between now and 7? Also, what is Gordon up to?

 

[DarkKnight88]

I haven't seen any SAW movies past 2. Can someone fill me in on what happened between now and 7? Also, what is Gordon up to?

You got 6 minutes and 66 seconds on your hands?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbXSpebpIo

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Spoiler

Hoffman has slaughtered close to a dozen cops and others, in situations that had nothing to do with testing them, and set up John and Amanda to be killed...

I don't remember Hoffman setting up John and Amanda to be killed.

 

[Warhammer]

Yeah, I don't remember that either. Also, other than Strahm (who he kinda had to kill anyway since he knew he was the new Jigsaw), [blackout]what officers did Hoffman kill? I already addressed Hoffman killing all those people in his search for Jill in my original post. They don't count because Kramer has been dead for 1897838 years by this point.[/blackout]

 

[bullets]

I don't remember Hoffman setting up John and Amanda to be killed.

In part six it flashbacks to Hoffman telling Amanda he knows she was there the night Jill was attacked at the clinic. He then hands her a note that tells her to shoot the wife or he will reveal her secret.

He essentially was a nail in the coffin that led to Amanda's demise and that chain of events led to Jeff's snapping and killing John.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't remember Hoffman setting up John and Amanda to be killed.

Spoiler

He set up Amanda to fail her game and ultimately get killed. It was revealed that he wrote the letter to Amanda that made her lose her mind and shoot Lynn.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Exactly,Hoffman didn't deserve to die,it was a matter of kill or be killed. Kramer is an idiot,if he didn't get Jill to go after Hoffman she wouldn't have died. And he is clearly and mainly responsible for his wife's death.

Spoiler

Well, it's not really Jill's fault. John told her to test Hoffman as a it was his last will and he told Hoffman he would be tested. So in honesty John wasn't an idiot or a liar. Perhaps he shouldn't have put Jill in that situation, however, he obviously didn't count on the possibility that Hoffman had a strong survival instinct.

 

[bullets]

I finally was able to see it. All I can say is I liked it and I'm satisfied with the ending. Some of the dialogue was terrible and the acting was really wooden but I'd say that was my biggest complaint. Alot of the kills got a good reaction in my theatre . The car scene lived up to the hype and it was awesome watching Dr Gordon crawl out of the room .

 

[nocomics]

Yeah, I don't remember that either. Also, other than Strahm (who he kinda had to kill anyway since he knew he was the new Jigsaw), [blackout]what officers did Hoffman kill? I already addressed Hoffman killing all those people in his search for Jill in my original post. They don't count because Kramer has been dead for 1897838 years by this point.[/blackout]

He killed Perez,and the two other FBI officers when they were doing the voice analysis in Saw VI. You can add in Strahm far as cops killed as well. Couple of other ppl already explained the Amanda frame by writing that letter about Amanda's involvment in Jill's baby's death. Hoffman [BLACKOUT]also killed some cops in Saw VII as well if u wanna add them as well,at least six;3 at the car trap,and 3 or so at the police station.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Spoiler

He set up Amanda to fail her game and ultimately get killed. It was revealed that he wrote the letter to Amanda that made her lose her mind and shoot Lynn.

I remember now that Hoffman is responsible for Amanda's death. As for Hoffman setting up John,it shouldn't count,John was the one who was responsible for his death in part 3. He gave what's her name's husband the chance to kill him if he didn't want to forgive him. Jeff had a insincere I forgive you moment before killing John. If there is a Saw VIII some how,Hoffman can then escape,hopefully. I mean in Saw III Eric Matthews escaped by using a toilet lid to break his foot before slipping his foot out of the cuff with the chain.

 

[Warhammer]

He killed Perez,and the two other FBI officers when they were doing the voice analysis in Saw VI. You can add in Strahm far as cops killed as well. Couple of other ppl already explained the Amanda frame by writing that letter about Amanda's involvment in Jill's baby's death. Hoffman [BLACKOUT]also killed some cops in Saw VII as well if u wanna add them as well,at least six;3 at the car trap,and 3 or so at the police station.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

Well, it's not really Jill's fault. John told her to test Hoffman as a it was his last will and he told Hoffman he would be tested. So in honesty John wasn't an idiot or a liar. Perhaps he shouldn't have put Jill in that situation, however, he obviously didn't count on the possibility that Hoffman had a strong survival instinct.

I'll take back my statement from earlier about Kramer being a piece of s***, etc. At first, I thought he pretty much toyed with Hoffman the whole entire time but that's not the case. However, [blackout]I'd say that Jill ultimately screws Hoffman over. And LastSunrise, it's definitely Jill's fault. Jill was supposed to test Hoffman like John asked her to. Then she decided to attempt to kill him instead. Hoffman was obviously going to kill her since she tried to kill him (and rightfully so). Since John had appointed Gordon to take care of whoever killed Jill, Hoffman got inadvertently screwed over by John in the end. I still think he didn't deserve that.[/blackout]

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Spoiler

Well, it's not really Jill's fault. John told her to test Hoffman as a it was his last will and he told Hoffman he would be tested. So in honesty John wasn't an idiot or a liar. Perhaps he shouldn't have put Jill in that situation, however, he obviously didn't count on the possibility that Hoffman had a strong survival instinct.

Even though Jill was forced,on the other hand she had the option to not go through with it. I don't think she is too stupid,considering the fact that she knows how Hoffman is an apprentice.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

I'll take back my statement from earlier about Kramer being a piece of s***, etc. At first, I thought he pretty much toyed with Hoffman the whole entire time but that's not the case. However, [blackout]I'd say that Jill ultimately screws Hoffman over. And LastSunrise, it's definitely Jill's fault. Jill was supposed to test Hoffman like John asked her to. Then she decided to attempt to kill him instead. Hoffman was obviously going to kill her since she tried to kill him (and rightfully so). Since John had appointed Gordon to take care of whoever killed Jill, Hoffman got inadvertently screwed over by John in the end. I still think he didn't deserve that.[/blackout]

I agree,John inadvertently managed to get Hoffman killed. Geesh,so he unintentionally got three people killed.

And I am starting to think that Dr.Gordon screwed up too,I mean John was vague about telling him to take care of Jill if something happened to her.

 

[Warhammer]

^I took it as John telling Gordon if somebody screws with his wife, that person is done for.

Just to be completely clear so my last post is 100% correct, is the consensus of the ending of Saw VI:

a). John meant for Jill to give Hoffman an inescapable trap to kill him?
b). John only meant to test Hoffman, but Jill decided to try to kill him instead?

I'm pretty sure it's the second answer, right?

 

[S.A.A.D.]

^I took it as John telling Gordon if somebody screws with his wife, that person is done for.

Just to be completely clear so my last post is 100% correct, is the consensus of the ending of Saw VI:

a). John meant for Jill to give Hoffman an inescapable trap to kill him?
b). John only meant to test Hoffman, but Jill decided to try to kill him instead?

I'm pretty sure it's the second answer, right?

It's the second option,John knew that Amanda wasn't mimicking his certain set of methods. He talked about it at some point,Amanda did also deliberately kill Eric Matthews and Adam Faulkner.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

^I took it as John telling Gordon if somebody screws with his wife, that person is done for.

Just to be completely clear so my last post is 100% correct, is the consensus of the ending of Saw VI:

a). John meant for Jill to give Hoffman an inescapable trap to kill him?
b). John only meant to test Hoffman, but Jill decided to try to kill him instead?

I'm pretty sure it's the second answer, right?

Seriously,just what the heck did he think was going to happen? He deliberately got Jill to go after Hoffman,full well knowing what Hoffman is capable of.

 

[bullets]

Seriously,just what the heck did he think was going to happen? He deliberately got Jill to go after Hoffman,full well knowing what Hoffman is capable of.

Which is why he had a backup apprentice as an insurance policy.

 

[Legion]

^I took it as John telling Gordon if somebody screws with his wife, that person is done for.

Just to be completely clear so my last post is 100% correct, is the consensus of the ending of Saw VI:

a). John meant for Jill to give Hoffman an inescapable trap to kill him?
b). John only meant to test Hoffman, but Jill decided to try to kill him instead?

I'm pretty sure it's the second answer, right?

Well I don't think John or Jill were trying to murder Hoffman, it was a test. In saw VI in flash back I think Amanda even called him out, that he had never been tested.

If the trap was inescapable Hoffman wouldn't have survived. Thing is that Hoffman took it personal. Probably because of is ego as Jigsaw he didnt obtain any kind of enlightenment.

Also I always that that Jill was a character that needed to be tested. John had warned her about working with dangerous people at the clinic. She was committed to her work and eventually lost the baby because of her devotion.

John didnt have it in him to test her or leave detailed instructions but he did arrange a scenario where she may or may not survive.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Ohhh,it just dawned on me that Dr.Gordon was only able to prevent Hoffman's perfect getaway because Jill passed on information to him regarding his hideout and his name,Gordon didn't know what Hoffman looked like so he required his name to find out what he looks like.

Doe's anyone know how Dr.Gordon found out that Jill died? Nothing at all indicated that he had a way to realize that.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Now that the series is completely let me just say what a waste of time and ''story.", these movies could never make up their mind. ''AMANDA IS THE APPRENTINCE! NO HOFFMAN! NO JILL! NO HOFFMAN! NO GORDON!"

Glad this mess of a series is over.