Draft resolution demands Israel quit Gaza

[Danger Mouse]

I understand your position that Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself, no matter what, but I disagree.

If the Palestineans don't want Israel incursions, don't give Israel a reason to do one. It's very simple. You don't see Israel attacking Palestineans for no reason.

And you are of the opinion that the Palestinians attack the Israel military forces just for giggles?

 

[War Lord]

Okay, I apologise. That was juvenile of me.

Now, the recent invasion of Gaza by the military forces of Israel in a bid to recover a single military personnel. Justified?

Israel cannot ever afford to show weakness, that's the way of the Middle East. You show weakness and you're giving your enemy a reason to attack you again and again.

 

[War Lord]

And you are of the opinion that the Palestinians attack the Israel military forces just for giggles?

No, they attack the Israelies in hopes of driving them out of Israel.

Israel has a history of not attacking unless attacked.

 

[Danger Mouse]

Israel cannot ever afford to show weakness, that's the way of the Middle East. You show weakness and you're giving your enemy a reason to attack you again and again.

Palestinians kidnap a soldier, Israel invades Gaza. Does the Israel government think that the Palestinians will cower at the might of the Israel military and won't reciprocate?

 

[Cyma]

Of course the Israeli government was totally justified in nuking the entire coastal area, killing Palestinians civilians over one military personnel!

*Shakes head* Maybe you're being sarcastic DM, but it's tragic the others justify this action People are turning into monsters.......

 

[War Lord]

Palestinians kidnap a soldier, Israel invades Gaza. Does the Israel government think that the Palestinians will cower at the might of the Israel military and won't reciprocate?

What should Irael do, aside from not getting the soldier back?

If Israel chose to do nothing, that would have only guarenteed that more soldiers and civilians would be kidnapped. Part of the reason for the Gaza invasion is to show them that it's not worth kidnapping Israelis.

The Palestineans would not have sent the soldier back alive and in one piece by themselves and the Palestineans gave impossible demands for Israel to meet to get him back.

 

[Danger Mouse]

Now, about the issue of the US' opinion that the demand of the Gaza pull-out is 'unbalanced'. How, pray tell, is such a demand 'unbalanced'?

 

[Danger Mouse]

What should Irael do, aside from not getting the soldier back?

If Israel chose to do nothing, that would have only guarenteed that more soldiers and civilians would be kidnapped. Part of the reason for the Gaza invasion is to show them that it's not worth kidnapping Israelis.

The Palestineans would not have sent the soldier back alive and in one piece by themselves and the Palestineans gave impossible demands for Israel to meet to get him back.

Is an invasion - yes, INVASION - really the only response in recovering a kidnapped soldier? Is the blood of ONE Israeli soldier purer than the blood of the citizens being occupied?

 

[War Lord]

Is an invasion - yes, INVASION - really the only response in recovering a kidnapped soldier? Is the blood of ONE Israeli soldier purer than the blood of the citizens being occupied?

You haven't suggested an alternative.

Negotiation is not possible and not doing anything is to only guarentee that more people will be kidnapped.

 

[Danger Mouse]

"The massive pre-dawn land and air assault sent terrified residents scurrying from their homes. Women clutching babies and a few belongings scurried away on foot towards a line of waiting taxis amid the boom of gunfire."

Over ONE soldier?

 

[Cyma]

What should Irael do, aside from not getting the soldier back?

If Israel chose to do nothing, that would have only guarenteed that more soldiers and civilians would be kidnapped. Part of the reason for the Gaza invasion is to show them that it's not worth kidnapping Israelis.

The Palestineans would not have sent the soldier back alive and in one piece by themselves and the Palestineans gave impossible demands for Israel to meet to get him back.

So this means it's ok for them to kill innocent women, children......*Sighs* babies? How can you sleep at night War Lord?

 

[War Lord]

"The massive pre-dawn land and air assault sent terrified residents scurrying from their homes. Women clutching babies and a few belongings scurried away on foot towards a line of waiting taxis amid the boom of gunfire."

Over ONE soldier?

Again, do you have an alternative, aside from the impossible negotiation and the impossiblity of doing nothing?

 

[Danger Mouse]

You haven't suggested an alternative.

Negotiation is not possible and not doing anything is to only guarentee that more people will be kidnapped.

No, sir. I have not suggested an alternative because I am not well-equipped to do so. But surely SCORES of political experts, particularly on Middle East political climates, can suggest at least ONE more solution.

 

[War Lord]

So this means it's ok for them to kill innocent women, children......*Sighs* babies? How can you sleep at night War Lord?

I sleep fine.

You and Danger Mouse can put your heads together and come up with an alternative response and create world peace.

 

[Danger Mouse]

You want a layman's alternative? Here it is.

LET THE SOLDIER GO.

No matter what the nation, no matter who the people, SLAUGHTERING AND INVADING THE HOMES OF AN ENTIRE CITY DOES NOT JUSTIFY RECOVERING ONE SOLDIER.

 

[War Lord]

No, sir. I have not suggested an alternative because I am not well-equipped to do so. But surely SCORES of political experts, particularly on Middle East political climates, can suggest at least ONE more solution.

You'll notice that they haven't either, probably because there isn't an alternative response.

You have a situation where HAMAS uses the Palestineans as human shields and attacks Israel without care.

 

[InsaneMembrane]

Now, about the issue of the US' opinion that the demand of the Gaza pull-out is 'unbalanced'. How, pray tell, is such a demand 'unbalanced'?

Does it demand the release of the soldier or demand that the Palestinians stop firing rockets at Israeli towns? ...

This is what boggles the mind if Canada was shooting rockets into North Dakota from Saskatchewan we would be attacked by the end of the week and almost no body would complain but when the palestinians do it ...nobody mentions it? Hamas "largely observed" their cease-fire with Israel which means that they didnt observe it...

I've always seen Hamas as radical Islamic group which is simply using the Palestinian cause as an reason for jihad against the "dirty infidels" but as soon as the Palestinians elected them they are just as much to blame as the "terrorists" themselves. If Hamas can go around saying every Israeli is a target because they all serve in the military (though orthodox jews dont but that didn't stop Hamas from blowing them up) Then Israel can say every Palestinian is a terrorist because they elected Hamas... Both view points are wrong.

And again how many civilians have been killed in this incursion? You seem to be blaming Israel for something they haven't done yet...

 

[War Lord]

You want a layman's alternative? Here it is.

LET THE SOLDIER GO.

No matter what the nation, no matter who the people, SLAUGHTERING AND INVADING THE HOMES OF AN ENTIRE CITY DOES NOT JUSTIFY RECOVERING ONE SOLDIER.

That only guarentees that more soldiers and more civilians will be kidnapped, tortured, mutilated and killed in the most horrific way possible.

How many soldiers and civilians must Israel allow to be kidnapped, tortured, mutilated and killed in the most horrific way possible before they are allowed to respond?

A hundred? Thousand? Ten Thousand?

 

[Danger Mouse]

That only guarentees that more soldiers and more civilians will be kidnapped, tortured, mutilated and killed in the most horrific way possible.

How many soldiers and civilians must Israel allow to be kidnapped, tortured, mutilated and killed in the most horrific way possible before they are allowed to respond?

A hundred? Thousand? Ten Thousand?

Then go after the Palestinian military! Have a stealth infiltration operation and teach those bastards a lesson while recovering your soldier!

But to INVADE a city, drive civilians from their homes, kill and maim just to prove a point over one soldier? And this is the civilisation that the Israelis clamor with pride while calling the Arabs barbarians?

Alternative? Here's another one: SHOW THE WORLD THAT YOU'RE THE BIGGER MAN. What Israel has successfully shown was how big a bully it is.

 

[Danger Mouse]

And the whole crap about there are NO alternatives to INVADING AN ENTIRE CITY over ONE soldier is ABSOLUTE CRAP. If you see justification in that, you are no better than the barbarians that you are ever so ready to label.

 

[War Lord]

Then go after the Palestinian military! Have a stealth infiltration operation and teach those bastards a lesson while recovering your soldier!

But to INVADE a city, drive civilians from their homes, kill and maim just to prove a point over one soldier? And this is the civilisation that the Israelis clamor with pride while calling the Arabs barbarians?

Alternative? Here's another one: SHOW THE WORLD THAT YOU'RE THE BIGGER MAN. What Israel has successfully shown was how big a bully it is.

Israel probably would do just that, if they knew where their soldier was, but all accounts is that they don't, so they have to search for him.

As far as being the bigger man goes, Israel has been doing that for the past 55 years by constant negotiation and keeping their side of the bargain and treating the Palestineans humanely, far better than Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestineans themselves.

 

[Danger Mouse]

Israel probably would do just that, if they knew where their soldier was, but all accounts is that they don't, so they have to search for him.

As far as being the bigger man goes, Israel has been doing that for the past 55 years by constant negotiation and keeping their side of the bargain and treating the Palestineans humanely, far better than Egypt, Jordan, and the Palestineans themselves.

Sorry. STILL doesn't justify an invasion.

 

[War Lord]

And the whole crap about there are NO alternatives to INVADING AN ENTIRE CITY over ONE soldier is ABSOLUTE CRAP. If you see justification in that, you are no better than the barbarians that you are ever so ready to label.

When you have come up with an alternative that doesn't involve encouraging the Palestineans to do it again and again and again, I'm willing to listen.

I trust Isreal's judgement on this more than I do on any outsider. You and I don't have to suffer the consequences if Israel were to listen to either of us.

 

[Cyma]

That only guarentees that more soldiers and more civilians will be kidnapped, tortured, mutilated and killed in the most horrific way possible.

How many soldiers and civilians must Israel allow to be kidnapped, tortured, mutilated and killed in the most horrific way possible before they are allowed to respond?

A hundred? Thousand? Ten Thousand?

So killing millions to ensure the protection of another million? Hmm…ok so….Let’s just say you kidnap me……so should my country kill you and everyone else in your country, even those who don’t know who you are and why you did it? That’s just sick and twisted. I’ll be tossing and turning in my grave.

 

[War Lord]

Sorry. STILL doesn't justify an invasion.

If the Palestineans don't want an invasion, they only need to recognize Israel and quit attacking it.

If Palestineans laid down their arms and built their country, there'd be peace tomorrow. Can't say the same if Israel laid down theirs.